oh yeah. and for pop remixes, this one is a favorite, less for the drums than the bassline at 3:00 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfMtTOEFuwE
― this is unusual for batman. (Jordan), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
I love this one to death, too: Deep Blue - "The Helicopter Tune"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krps2ok4smc
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha i'm loving these other aphrodite remixes - i got 5 on it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEr0P7x51k
― this is unusual for batman. (Jordan), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know if this is too much hardcore/breakbeat precursor than actual jungle/d&b but Lex, you should track down THE JOINT because it's 100% fantastic from start to finish.
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
dan, you've heard the 2 bad mice remix of helicopter, yes?
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
Yes! It's great!
I just posted every vid from The Joint that I could find on Youtube (the only one missing is the original "Mystic Stepper") on the ITR music thread btw
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
lol:
deep blue - "helicopter tune (2 bad mice remix)"
!!! Is this the version that made it onto the Speed Limit comps? If not, I MUST HEAR THIS.
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, September 29, 2005
i'll see if i can ysi tomorrow dan. it's totally different.
― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Thursday, September 29, 2005
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
what did we ever do before youtube?
well, ysi, i guess.
great squiggly pascal trackhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WaISj2xWY0
― blank, Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
is there a dj hype remix of "on and on"? that shit would rule
― blank, Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
a legit jungle remix of "on and on" by anybody would rule, actually.
― blank, Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:27 (twelve years ago) link
helicopter tune is a...tune
― post, Thursday, 27 October 2011 04:30 (twelve years ago) link
People can talk about what they like in this thread of course, but I started it to talk about tunes with drums that really sing. Like this amazing early Source Direct tune "Fabric of Space", which really captures that moment in the trajectory from atmospheric jungle into, I dunno, post-techstep I guess, the same trajectory all the best and hardest Goldie tunes ever were on. The snares on this are so tactile and impacting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVOPJNFRG78
― Tim F, Thursday, 27 October 2011 12:28 (twelve years ago) link
ay ay ay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De8HwaiQnBA
― jed_, Thursday, 27 October 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
since i've been "rinsing" it lately, chaps. cheerio.
― jed_, Thursday, 27 October 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
great thread, tim.
early source direct is great. 'snake style', 'bliss' and 'secret liasons' (not so early but still one of my top 5 jungle tunes). but i'm more of a mood nerd (if such thing exists) when it comes to jungle.
beat wise, always loved this dj crystl tune :
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― rusty_allen, Thursday, 27 October 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
haha tim i was basically trying to coax lex into paying more attention to jungle by spoonful-of-sugar'ing it via tunes with elements i know he loves already.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 27 October 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not doing very well with these selections i'm afraid (three in) (didn't get to the end of any of them), i'd previously thought i just didn't know enough about d&b but i think i just don't like it :/
― lex pretend, Friday, 28 October 2011 09:00 (twelve years ago) link
i don't like the way the beats...sound? i'm not putting it very well but they don't have any OOMPH to them
― lex pretend, Friday, 28 October 2011 09:01 (twelve years ago) link
that "wishing on a star" track is pretty good though!
― lex pretend, Friday, 28 October 2011 09:17 (twelve years ago) link
So being a 'sonix nerd' means rating Nightslugs, but disliking the entire genre of d&b and jungle (bar 'Wishing on a Star)? Seems weird. I feel bad for you :(
― MikoMcha, Friday, 28 October 2011 09:21 (twelve years ago) link
how on earth are you meant to dance to jungle? it's like idm to me tbh
― lex pretend, Friday, 28 October 2011 09:27 (twelve years ago) link
You either follow the snares high-road martial arts-style or go for skanking to the slow-down dubby basslines. Usually, a bit of both. Also, drugs.
― MikoMcha, Friday, 28 October 2011 09:35 (twelve years ago) link
This would be my contribution, not sure if it sings enough for Tim though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2NNM5UWlQo
― MikoMcha, Friday, 28 October 2011 10:06 (twelve years ago) link
With jungle you dance half-speed to the bass (the opposite of how I dance to dubstep, which is double-speed to the bass).
Are you more of a vocals rather than beats man Lex?
How about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XtDgEjZPTE
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 28 October 2011 10:12 (twelve years ago) link
Guys I think you're on a hiding to nothing here (although it does genuinely surprise me that Lex isn't that interested in rhythm as a focal point of music in its own right).
― Matt DC, Friday, 28 October 2011 10:55 (twelve years ago) link
the dillinja tune was okay, i like the moodiness of it
i like beats, i just need...steady beats when it comes to dance music
― lex pretend, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:01 (twelve years ago) link
That's fair enough I suppose.
― Matt DC, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:04 (twelve years ago) link
this is the only d&b tune i've genuinely loved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UlCZYoQMBI
no lay's voice isn't just decoration, and the beats work so well with it
― lex pretend, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:25 (twelve years ago) link
and there are so many awesome contrasting synth elements
― lex pretend, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:28 (twelve years ago) link
Haha that's total "empire state of mind" logic right there.
― Tim F, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:58 (twelve years ago) link
in what way? no one's ever said "empire state of mind" is a good version of any genre (except maybe pop)
― lex pretend, Friday, 28 October 2011 12:45 (twelve years ago) link
Lots of people think "empire state of mind" is a good rap tune because of Alicia Keys.
― Tim F, Friday, 28 October 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
well that's understandable? she is the only thing about it that miiiight push it into worthwhile territory
― lex pretend, Friday, 28 October 2011 14:56 (twelve years ago) link
I've always thought I could get into jungle, but the more I listen to it, the less convinced I am of that. I still suspect that if I had given it more of a chance back in the 90s, before I started digging into Arabic and Latin music, it might have clicked for me. Kind of weird how it's like a dance music genre made out of jazzy drum solos. I like rhythmic complexity, but not into it.
― On the Heat Release of Burning Karaoke Music Compartments (_Rudipherous_), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
It's not that I hate it either. I don't mind leaving it on, but it's as if it adds nothing by being on.
― On the Heat Release of Burning Karaoke Music Compartments (_Rudipherous_), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
So glad that this thread exists. Tim have you heard/do you have the following tape? DJ Rap with Remadee and Det on Kool FM, December 93: http://www.sendspace.com/file/luj4gkOne of my all-time favourite pirate tapes, in any genre. This prob sound weird by whenever I listen to it I always think 'Hey I bet Tim & the ILX Funky dudes would love this sort of thing'.
― Mr Andy M, Friday, 28 October 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
kinda sad this thread ceased to exist. been working on a jungle article for a local website lately, and your insights (tim) are A+. not to say the other blurbs weren't worth it, obv (it would be great to see this grow) but...he started it.
― rusty_allen, Friday, 6 April 2012 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks rusty.
I think if I ever were to write a book it would be some big unified theory thing about rhythm (qua rhythm) in dance music.
With a readership of about 5.
― Tim F, Saturday, 7 April 2012 01:13 (twelve years ago) link
BTW I hadn't noticed that THE FINEST JUNGLE TUNE EVER* is now on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qljpMmCM3ko
* or top 5 at any rate.
I was going to say "it saddens me that someone like lex couldn't get with this", but that's not quite it... More like: when I think of how much joy the drums on this give me, it makes me think that not being into jungle rhythms in and of themselves would be like not having one of the five senses, the whole world would seem a bit of a lesser experience.
But srsly what this tune does with snares is like one "holy fuck" after another, a ridiculous thunderstorm of beats.
It's actually what I imagined what Black Secret Technology would sound like based on the descriptions before I heard it.
― Tim F, Saturday, 7 April 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago) link
Another totally amazing, rhythmically lifechanging tune from the same comp, rendering drill & bass redundant well before the fact:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxR1PTUN5c&feature=relmfu
― Tim F, Saturday, 7 April 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago) link
Yay it's back.Whenever I get comments from people IRL along the lines of 'quite like jungle but I just don't find it very danceable' (which is an understandable attitude to it in some ways, I'm not slagging lex or anyone else for holding it) this is always one of the tunes I start them off with:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MIsA1AiStY
― Mr Andy M, Saturday, 7 April 2012 12:32 (twelve years ago) link
Also bit WOW @ the Radical Sound and Dub Technicians tunes. Any time I think I've heard it all with jungle things like these come along and I realize I've still got so far to go (which is a good thing obv).
― Mr Andy M, Saturday, 7 April 2012 12:35 (twelve years ago) link
*big WOW
― Mr Andy M, Saturday, 7 April 2012 12:36 (twelve years ago) link
that "what is love" mix's directly from Jungle Soundclash Volume 1
Strictly hardcore!
― moullet, Saturday, 7 April 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvMZYz5HoCs
this is one of my favorites, i don't think it sounded quite as generic as it sounds now in 1994 BUT what happens at about 3:15 is still amazing to me (and even though the first part is kinda undistinguished i like the hook enough)
― the late great, Saturday, 7 April 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
if you compare it though to something like remarc though bizzy b's drum edits are way more brutal and they snarl like detuned synth almost, in remarc there's quite a lot of slightly dated isolated percussion hits (sorry metalheadz)
― the late great, Saturday, 7 April 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qm1F3Z_YnI
― the late great, Saturday, 7 April 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
at the beginning its like the speakers are firing missiles at you
― the late great, Saturday, 7 April 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
does what it says on the tin, but ...
(the melody slips out and back) "under from a bass drum"? "thunder from a bass drum"? "wonder from a bass drum"?
― the late great, Saturday, 7 April 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
As a dancer the first kind of jungle tunes that did hook me were along the lines of the M-Beat one I posted upthread, i.e. ones with a beat pattern that was immediately captivating but also concise and not too difficult to follow. Also more steady-rollin’ kind of tunes like The Burial, Helicopter Tune, Sovereign Melody etc. Those were the ones I found myself intuitively making moves to while listening.
― Mr Andy M, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 13:01 (twelve years ago) link
Lol 'as a dancer' sounds so pompous, 'from a dancing pov' is maybe a better way to put it.
― Mr Andy M, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 13:05 (twelve years ago) link
i'm with the lex on this thread. man, its hard for me to think of too many genres or sub-genres i never want to hear. but this would be one of them. and i try too. i just played portions of every youtube on this thread.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
Hey Andy - I used to post a bit on ILC, but I mainly lurk waiting for that rare beast - a good thread about jungle.
RE: Flex. He's a bit patchy fer sure , but I'll forgive him anything because of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm6qSLB84-0
And this sublime pulsating bass hot pants 4/4 kick combo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jrVR7MOIlg
― droid, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
I have a piece coming out in a french journal in a few months about funky's approach to rhythm
#rare #based
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
Hey Andy - I used to post a bit on ILC, but I mainly lurk waiting for that rare beast - a good thread about jungle.Haha I feel you on this - don't post here all that much but when I first saw this thread my eyes totally lit up. Trying to get a bit more involved with things here at the moment though.Had forgotten about Ya Buzzin Again actually, it's a good 'un yeah.Have listened to that Steve Gurley FX In Dub Mix tune you posted 10+ times in the last few days btw, so good.
― Mr Andy M, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
So dark that this wasn't the version of "Watching Windows" used on the album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX9sas7qoLE
― Tim F, Sunday, 26 October 2014 11:25 (nine years ago) link
wow
― the late great, Sunday, 26 October 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link
DJ Die remix was also great, but this version goes so fantastically with the actual song, makes it maybe the equal of "Share The Fall".
One of my favourite things about the best Roni/Reprazent beats circa New Forms is how that whole investment in sounding like a live drummer translates into this rhythms where it constantly sounds like the beat is just about to fall behind itself, is always working frantically to keep up. Rather than "fluidity", the effect is a very human wired twitchiness.
― Tim F, Sunday, 26 October 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link
i don't actually think i ever loved a funky house tune for its rhythm.
my mind is still boggling at this assertion two years later
― I Love Makonnen: New Answers (The Reverend), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 07:16 (nine years ago) link
Haha
― Tim F, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 08:27 (nine years ago) link
loool
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 09:00 (nine years ago) link
this was a good thread
― the late great, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 22:59 (nine years ago) link
Vaguely related to peak-era Reprazent, I'm interested in that half-missed opportunity circa 1995-1997 for grooves that were on a Davis/Hancock meets Jon Hassell fourth world tip. Hidden Agenda are the obvious example here but I think they actually verge on being too fiddly when in this mode (my favourite HA track remains "Dispatch #2", which is more of a neurofunk affair).
This was inspired by listening to Form & Function again and rediscovering Peshay's remix of "Rings Around Saturn", the way he redeploys those razor-sharp isolated snares within that constantly pirouetting jazz-funk groove. "On The Nile" probably is a good example of this as well though I'd have to listen again to say just how good.
Funny how drum & bass passed by so many interesting potential avenues of exploration so quickly in its accelerating plunge towards rhythmic conformity. I've really only heard the singles from Miles From Home but they suggested that by 1999 Peshay had totally smoothed out his beats. Even "P vs P"!
― Tim F, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link
Don't know if this can exactly be called jungle, but what it can be exactly called is incredible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se1PuiDSVmA
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Saturday, 8 November 2014 07:03 (nine years ago) link
Well duh
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 November 2014 08:00 (nine years ago) link
In retrospect Trace and Nico's "Damn Son" sounds rather like a hot uk funky rhythm played too fast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhZofXqr_A
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 November 2014 08:01 (nine years ago) link
Remarc - RIP, DJ Hype Remix. Completely mental.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5nIqbq3S-w
― Keith Moom (Neil S), Friday, 6 March 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link
Therapy? - Loose (Photek remix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E8ebG0faFA
― Keith Moom (Neil S), Friday, 6 March 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
^^^ more d 'n b I suppose, but still great
― Keith Moom (Neil S), Friday, 6 March 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link
This Klute remix of Lamb's "Little Things" - so awesomely on that Arcon 2 tip of destroying you with science:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mjzgcX9_ZU
― Tim F, Tuesday, 2 August 2016 13:48 (seven years ago) link
that was good - enjoyed that. i don't know why i find so much of jungle/d'n'b boring though. where i live it's almost the law that you have to like jungle but unless it's something outstanding, i tend to find it inert or just a bit uninteresting after a couple of tracks.
― TARANTINO! (dog latin), Tuesday, 2 August 2016 15:31 (seven years ago) link
i definitely prefer the furious ragga-based stuff from the early nineties to the more jazzy, stop-start stuff from the mid-decade onwards. I find that stuff frustrating.
― TARANTINO! (dog latin), Tuesday, 2 August 2016 15:43 (seven years ago) link
check the reverb on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KABz5IfhzUs
― the late great, Monday, 29 April 2019 07:42 (four years ago) link