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just a warning in case people are about to rent/buy these: the DVD of Aguirre could use a lot of video improvements (it's faded and blurry, and the shots of it in My Best Fiend look a lot better) and the cheapo DVD of Annie Hall I have isn't so hot either, although I've heard there's an improved version out.

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Sunday, 11 September 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

As a matter of interest, The Spirit of the Beehive, The Marriage of Maria Braun, The Bad News Bears and Animal House are all listed twice in the runner-up list. The Last Picture Show is also listed. Should that not change its current place in the top 100?

, Monday, 12 September 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

results may vary and appear closer than they appear in mirror.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 12 September 2005 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

okay Last Picture show would move up to 72 between In the Realm of the Senses and Blazing Saddles. Or just ignore anything above the top fifty.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 12 September 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to purrnt out that there are only one point of difference between #1 and #2.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 12 September 2005 11:51 (eighteen years ago) link

The lead character's haircut? I'd have said that I could spot one or two more differences than that, though obviously they are almost identical, yes...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 12 September 2005 11:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, I meant their scores. (And since I'm here, I might say that Female Trouble is the most WTF top 10 in any of these polls so far, in a good way.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

A Woman Under the Influence: I can go listen to my insane married friends fight anytime.

The Conversation is the Garret Anderson of '70s films: most overrated
"underrated."

How did News From Home sneak in there? I don't think I've even read about it.

Apocalypse Now would have a shot at being one of the 5 best films of the decade if Coppola cut it down to a short about Kilgore and the Air Cavalry titled "Charlie Don't Surf."

>morbius = pwnd<

Happily, I am still Luddite enough to have no fuckin idea what that means.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the idea of the overrated underrated, and I've used it myself--my template is Joe Rudi rather than Garrett Anderson, someone who seems genuinely overlooked to me, whereas Rudi got loads of publicity in the early '70s for a few doubles and a .264 lifetime average--but I don't think the tag can be hung on The Conversation. I was heartened to see it rank so high, but typically it still gets overshadowed by The Godfathers and Apocalypse Now, even though I think it's much better than Apocalypse, and, while not an epic like The Godfathers, it probably achieves something closer to perfection.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Heavy-handed Catholic guilt, bah. Plus you can't tell me he didn't use a DIFFERENT sound take for the last "He'd kill us if he had the chance." Cheating!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Coppola did cheat, agreed. I think it can be justified, though, because when we hear the quote all the way through the film (until the very last time), we're hearing it through Harry's ears; it's an extremely subjective film. I think it makes for a thrilling reversal when we hear the words the way they're actually said for the first time. No thoughts on your Catholic guilt complaint, but I don't think the film's heavy-handed at all.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, Jeff, this has been a welcome distraction from New Orleans.

I was Gene Hackman from The Conversation a few years ago for Halloween, so I like it enough for that.

But I rented it a few days ago and my problem with it (once again) is that it just doesn't make sense (spoilers to follow): So the Harrison Ford character hired Hackman to record a conversation Ford knew was going to happen, and which the murderers knew was going to be overheard? Why not just record the conversation without Hackman?

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 12 September 2005 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

If you're not kidding, that might be the funniest Halloween costume I've ever heard of--excellent. Is there a store that specializes in anonymous gray raincoats?

I love the film so much, and get so caught up in it, I've never even stopped to ponder the logic. I guess I've always assumed that while Hackman is technically hired by Ford, it's with Duvall's knowledge; we hear Duvall say "You want it to be true" to Ford, which I take to mean that Ford initiated Hackman's hiring as a way to prove to Duvall that there's a plot against him, that Duvall approved the project, and that now they're sitting around weighing the evidence. I don't think Cindy Williams and Frederic Forrest were aware they were being taped. That would make Ford the really shadowy and unknowable figure--aligned with Duvall at the beginning, but keeping quiet and keeping his own proximity to the company's seat of power intact when the plot to kill the emperor succeeds and power is transferred.

I don't know, maybe that's wrong. But with The Conversation so steeped in the Watergate moment (accidentally; it's well known that Coppola wrote the script years earlier), I think a little mystery concerning the film's internal logic works well. The real-life parallel is why Nixon never burned the tapes, something that continues to puzzle everyone.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Just a follow-up thought. Beginning with the often cited question of how we know what Kane's last word is when no one else is in the room, I think you could probably uncover faulty, or at least questionable, points of logic in some of the greatest films ever made. If I like a film enough, I'm generally not bothered a great deal by these inconsistencies. I'm not saying they're unimportant--the question Pete Scholtes raises about The Conversation is a good one, central to the whole movie, and I'm still running it through my mind--but they're one part of something much larger and, hopefully, much richer.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I should have said "how the world knows what Kane's last word is," not how we know--we know because we're in the room with him. Duh.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Knawing curiosity: Would Animal House/National Lampoon's Animal House and The Bad News Bears/Bad News Bears have placed if the votes of each film were combined? I'm surprised neither made it.

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 12 September 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Jimmy the Mod: We'd better be counting the original version and not the cheapened, showy, Jabba-steppping-Han-Shoots-First version.

You mean "Gredo-shoots-first," right? On a related note, I also notice that the Jaws swimmer's breasts are less visible on the DVD art than they were in the original 1975 poster. These things matter.

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 12 September 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and in defense of Wonka hate: I'm with you on the Oompa Loompas, and even Gene Wilder's performance. But this is an evil movie, not just a dark one. The kids from The Bad News Bears would have/should have poured into the factory and kicked Wonka's ass.

I seem to remember Gene Wilder regreting that he made the film because it was "anti-child," but can't place the source...

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 12 September 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Charlie in the original movie is an asshole. He ignores Wonka's advice just as much as the other kids; no reason why him and his grampa (and what a judgemental asshole THAT guy is, "Veruca finally got to go first", fuck off!) shouldn't have been punished for drinking that soda, since similiar actions resulted in a fucking *death sentence* for everyone else. Mostly Charlie gets by due to having no personality and never actively questioning anything (look how eagerly he signs Wonka's contract!)

But then, you know, "Looney Toons" is pretty fucked up, moralitywise, too (how many times does Bugs torture his foes in a manner of total overkill that isn't at all justified by the small infraction that they've made? That's without mentioning the times when it's entirely unprovoked), and I wouldn't want that erased from my childhood.

"Taxi Driver" is a good movie.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Why does Duvall still go to the hotel alone after hearing about the plot? And didn't the hotel report the seeping blood to the police? And how exactly is cindy williams' character related to Duvall: wife or daughter? ah well, i prefer it this way. answers aren't always revealed in real life, either... conversation is my favorite movie, by the way (tied with Husbands).

poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:09 (eighteen years ago) link

No Grey Gardens?

Of course, I could have voted.

/opening Netflix queue

Lurky McLurk, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I like movies, I go see one or two a week (though most are mass releases and quickly forgotten), I try to read film criticism and theory and so on. But I've never had any desire to see either Godfather movie. Am I alone on that? There's something fundamentally unappealing about them, between the director, the canonization, the material.

They sound like utterly unremarkable films that have passed into greatness on qualities I can't ascertain.

Should I just break down and watch them?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"Looney Toons" is pretty fucked up, moralitywise, too (how many times does Bugs torture his foes in a manner of total overkill that isn't at all justified by the small infraction that they've made?

actually, bugs usually doesn't go after ppl without a good reason (i.e. they're trying to shoot him or dig up his home or posting "rabbit season" signs all over the place). chuck jones talked about this in his autobiography, how he wanted bugs to be more sympathetic/interesting than, say, woody woodpecker. of course, daffy's another story...

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well yeah, that's what they *say*, but it isn't always true - often enough his opponent's infractions are minor compared to the hell they're then forced to go through because of him. I realise that just saying this doesn't help the discussion along, give me some time to dig through my box set and find concrete examples.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm actually in the exact same boat as you re: the godfather films, milo! but i have to watch the first one in my film class in a few weeks, so that'll be the end of my half-intentional boycott.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:01 (eighteen years ago) link

The third "Godfather" has the best quotes:

"My coat! My lucky coat!"

"This pope has powerful enemies!"

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll have a poll summary in a few days, with update results on one convienent page.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 10:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for all your hard work Jeff!

jedidiah (jedidiah), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

OK, who was it who liked The Shout (96b)? It's showing at Lincoln Center at 4pm. Dave Kehr:

An airy allegory (from a Robert Graves story) held to earth by some scathing sexual passion. Alan Bates is the traveling madman who holds a composer (John Hurt) and his wife (Susannah York) in thrall. Sexuality triumphs over civilization through a series of small betrayals, each registered with appalling, pinpoint accuracy by Jerzy Skolimowski's camera. Though Skolimowski had backed off from his formal ambitions somewhat (he once seemed a real rival to Godard), this 1978 feature is shrewd, imaginative moviemaking, a trance thriller that beats Peter Weir on his own turf.

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

^this is like the most noize board movie ever (maybe crossed w/ I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX)

johnny crunch, Saturday, 9 April 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I used to disagree with Dr. Morbius under my actual name; now I disagree with him under a fabricated one. The world has changed so much.

clemenza, Saturday, 9 April 2011 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

has anyone seen Chilly Scenes of Winter ('79) by Joan Micklin Silver, aka Head Over Heels?

http://www.ifccenter.com/films/chilly-scenes-of-winter/

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:16 (nine years ago) link

eight years pass...

A friend was telling me about this book--not sure if I knew about it or not.

https://academic.macmillan.com/academictrade/9781632868183/openingwednesdayatatheaterordriveinnearyou

Will definitely try to track down a copy at a decent price.

clemenza, Thursday, 12 January 2023 15:46 (one year ago) link

I was Gene Hackman from The Conversation a few years ago for Halloween, so I like it enough for that.
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, September 12,

Still the funniest Halloween costume I've ever heard of.

clemenza, Thursday, 12 January 2023 15:51 (one year ago) link


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