quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

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On the plus side it would mean Ed Hardy would kill himself,

Food! Trends! Men! Hate! (Phil D.), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

Ed Hardy is dead

dan selzer, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link

It worked!

Food! Trends! Men! Hate! (Phil D.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 00:49 (twelve years ago) link

Actually he's alive. Maybe I was thinking von Dutch? But he's just an old school tattoo artist who sold his name and rights to some douchebag designer.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 01:00 (twelve years ago) link

Ed Hardy the dude seems ok, just old.

avant-garde heterosexuals (mh), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 04:02 (twelve years ago) link

Their only complaint is the small size of the garbage and recycling closet in the hallway. It fills quickly, so they must either call the porter or take their boxes to the trash room off the lobby.

spiced with KNOWING THAT YOU'VE PAID YOUR BILLS (I DIED), Friday, 28 October 2011 23:35 (twelve years ago) link

call the what now

j., Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link

hey porter

pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Saturday, 29 October 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link

This could go in any number of threads, but since there's a rolling NYT thread, here we are: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/opinion/what-the-costumes-reveal.html?_r=1&hp

The party is the firm’s big annual bash. Employees wear Halloween costumes to the office, where they party until around noon, and then return to work, still in costume. I can’t tell you how people dressed for this year’s party, but I can tell you about last year’s.

That’s because a former employee of Steven J. Baum recently sent me snapshots of last year’s party. In an e-mail, she said that she wanted me to see them because they showed an appalling lack of compassion toward the homeowners — invariably poor and down on their luck — that the Baum firm had brought foreclosure proceedings against.

When we spoke later, she added that the snapshots are an accurate representation of the firm’s mind-set. “There is this really cavalier attitude,” she said. “It doesn’t matter that people are going to lose their homes.” Nor does the firm try to help people get mortgage modifications; the pressure, always, is to foreclose. I told her I wanted to post the photos on The Times’s Web site so that readers could see them. She agreed, but asked to remain anonymous because she said she fears retaliation.

Let me describe a few of the photos. In one, two Baum employees are dressed like homeless people. One is holding a bottle of liquor. The other has a sign around her neck that reads: “3rd party squatter. I lost my home and I was never served.” My source said that “I was never served” is meant to mock “the typical excuse” of the homeowner trying to evade a foreclosure proceeding.

A second picture shows a coffin with a picture of a woman whose eyes have been cut out. A sign on the coffin reads: “Rest in Peace. Crazy Susie.” The reference is to Susan Chana Lask, a lawyer who had filed a class-action suit against Steven J. Baum — and had posted a YouTube video denouncing the firm’s foreclosure practices. “She was a thorn in their side,” said my source.

A third photograph shows a corner of Baum’s office decorated to look like a row of foreclosed homes. Another shows a sign that reads, “Baum Estates” — needless to say, it’s also full of foreclosed houses. Most of the other pictures show either mock homeless camps or mock foreclosure signs — or both. My source told me that not every Baum department used the party to make fun of the troubled homeowners they made their living suing. But some clearly did. The adjective she’d used when she sent them to me — “appalling” — struck me as exactly right.

These pictures are hardly the first piece of evidence that the Baum firm treats homeowners shabbily — or that it uses dubious legal practices to do so. It is under investigation by the New York attorney general, Eric Schneiderman. It recently agreed to pay $2 million to resolve an investigation by the Department of Justice into whether the firm had “filed misleading pleadings, affidavits, and mortgage assignments in the state and federal courts in New York.” (In the press release announcing the settlement, Baum acknowledged only that “it occasionally made inadvertent errors.”)

Food! Trends! Men! Hate! (Phil D.), Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link

wooooooooow

google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

just a bit of fun

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 30 October 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

I can kind of get behind the 'technology is replacing jobs' part of this op-ed but the author is really tone-deaf. the by-line is a nice punchline too

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/opinion/sunday/our-unpaid-extra-shadow-work.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=all

There was a time when a gas station attendant would routinely fill your tank and even check your oil and clean your windshield and rear window without charge, then settle your bill. Today, all those jobs have been transferred to the customer: we pump our own gas, squeegee our own windshield, and pay our own bill by swiping a credit card. Where customers once received service from the service station, they now provide “self-service” — a synonym for “no service.” Technology enables this sleight of hand, which lets gas stations cut their payrolls, having co-opted their patrons into doing these jobs without pay.

dayo, Sunday, 30 October 2011 23:37 (twelve years ago) link

Reminds me of a line in the New Yorker's otherwise mostly good Ikea feature -- something to the effect of "Ikea has stealthily scored a massive coup by shifting labor to the customer." I mean it's not like everyone used to just get pre-assembled, delivered furniture at Ikea prices.

pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Sunday, 30 October 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link

Half of that article belongs in our "society is in the gutter" thread, seriously.

I understand the whole "shadow work" thing but I've heard it applied much more effectively to modern living than the examples given. These are basically the "why must I move things with my hands" complaints. The parts where they complain about the end of travel agents and the like is especially lulzy

mh, Monday, 31 October 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I'm kind of split on this one between being sorry that this kills jobs for people but also just feeling like "Come on, I can pump my own goddamned gas." I do hate self-checkouts though, those are for suckers.

pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:43 (twelve years ago) link

I like them when I have very few items or I'm feeling misanthropic.

mh, Monday, 31 October 2011 01:45 (twelve years ago) link

IIRC, a lot of the places that had massive amounts of personal service (department stores, forex) back in the old days also did massive amounts of markups on merchandise.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 31 October 2011 03:32 (twelve years ago) link

I do hate self-checkouts though, those are for suckers.

how about signs on the checkout lanes at co-ops that say 'due to the repetitive stress involved in moving a large number of items per day, we ask you to please remove your own items from your cart at checkout'.

j., Monday, 31 October 2011 03:33 (twelve years ago) link

I tuned out when you said "coops" as that is its own world of quiddities and agonies

mh, Monday, 31 October 2011 03:34 (twelve years ago) link

if you're a rich person in manhattan you can walk outside and immediately have a car drive you somewhere, have someone else do your grocery shopping, have someone walk your dog. almost anything you can imagine, prob. I mean lot of these services are basically affordable to the middle class cause they're omnipresent and there are economies of scale.

but gas stations and grocery stores that are frequented by people across the class spectrum are a different story. they're going to inevitably compete on price. that guy's writing from cambridge, which is far above median income but not the kinda place where gas and grocery stores are gonna be competiting on 'experience' instead of price. I don't think grocery stores in extremely wealthy and isolated suburbs are rushing towards self-checkout.

iatee, Monday, 31 October 2011 03:53 (twelve years ago) link

I mean lot of these services are basically affordable to the middle class cause they're omnipresent and there are economies of scale.

This was the weird realization I had recently about Fresh Direct, btw. Every time we order I still kind of have to look at the receipt three times to believe that it's about the same price as our grocery store to have these two guys bring food into our kitchen like I'm some kind of british colonial administrator

pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Monday, 31 October 2011 05:11 (twelve years ago) link

not to turn this into another suburbs thread but it does seem like dense places are naturally going to be better markets for personal service jobs because there are going to be more niche markets and economies of scale.

feel like even if you attempt to totally remove the super-rich from the equation, which is obv impossible, the average 'middle class' person in nyc is more likely to be funding personal-service industry jobs with their forms of consumption. food delivery, taxis, fresh direct etc. I have no concrete evidence to back this up w/ but it 'seems true'.

iatee, Monday, 31 October 2011 05:43 (twelve years ago) link

and I mean unemployment still sucks bad here so whatever this effect is it isn't overwhelming or anything but I'd like to read a paper on this subject

iatee, Monday, 31 October 2011 05:44 (twelve years ago) link

I have to get into this Fresh Direct thing because it took me 2.5 hours to go to the store today.

WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Monday, 31 October 2011 06:06 (twelve years ago) link

i will cop to heavy freshdirect usage
fucking sucks to haul two weeks groceries fifteen blocks, specially when you don't have a cart

google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 31 October 2011 06:32 (twelve years ago) link

After we moved to an apartment that was not directly next to a grocery store (and across the street from a second and two blocks from a third), we decided that we would use Peapod sometimes, when we were really busy, and then get a I-Go car and drive to the grocery store that's about .7 miles away other times. That lasted about five months and now we just order from Peapod. It's cost-equivalent when you factor in the cost of the car share and damn is it nice not to have to carry boxes of cat litter up the stairs.

They're coming to get you, (Jenny), Monday, 31 October 2011 12:24 (twelve years ago) link

When I lived near a Trader Joe's and a decent produce store it was cheaper to shop on foot, but now my options are the bougie C-Town (which has almost no produce), the Kim's market (which is pricey and not even good) and some pretty lousy and overpriced korean grocers. I do have the McCarren farmer's market on weekends about a 15-20 minute walk away but it's kind of expensive, and Fresh Direct has surprisingly good produce for less. I still do meat at the local butcher.

pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Monday, 31 October 2011 12:36 (twelve years ago) link

Relevant to speak of self-checkouts and "shadow labor":
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/31/apple-retail-stores-to-allow-self-checkout-via-ios-app-for-accessory-purchases/

mh, Monday, 31 October 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

“I had a whole vintage teacup collection that is now so hideous to me,” Ms. Koons said. “I feel like I am going to make my own fire and torch it all.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/27/garden/all-that-authenticity-may-be-getting-old.html?_r=1&hpw

SongOfSam, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

“I felt like an employee at a Ford plant,” he said, “drilling 1,200 holes in a day or two.”
such unbearable hardship
poor dear

Art Arfons (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:11 (twelve years ago) link

I don't really think that guy is *the ruling class*

pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:27 (twelve years ago) link

I mean I also don't really think that guy is the point of why the article was posted here

pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:27 (twelve years ago) link

"how much authenticity is too much?" is the defining question of our age i think

max, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:29 (twelve years ago) link

I also think the 'glut of rarity' thing is kind of interesting -- I've been feeling it for several years in the world of limited edition music pressings, books, art, etc. It sort of reminds me of the baseball card bubble where you suddenly had like ten brands of super-premium cards all putting out five different even more limited editions each and 8 million 10-year-olds suddenly all shrugged their shoulders at once.

pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:30 (twelve years ago) link

As they began furnishing their new house from scratch, they found themselves choosing pieces with clean, modern lines that “could be a backdrop for whatever we were interested in at the moment,” Mr. Siegel said. In other words, he said, “not trying to express your personality and your total individuality with every single thing in your house.”

Ms. Koons, who recently completed her doctorate in clinical psychology, calls it a “very unornamental aesthetic.”

What does that mean to her?

“No bird pillows,” she said. “And actually, we had a lot of bird pillows. I had two bird duvets. I had birds on the wall. So it’s a real about-face.”

This part just reminds me of my eventual shift from band/concert posters everywhere to barely any at all. It's not Etsy, it's just getting more comfortable with yourself internally so you don't need to constantly project it/reinforce it externally.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:34 (twelve years ago) link

Also you bought all your "authentic" stuff on the internet, it's just "stuff."

WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link

Anyway aren't we basically just talking about tschotchkes? They're nothing new, I've never liked them that much, and there will always be people who do. I guess the difference being that it used to be more dominated by stuff from international travel or at least evincing a *global* sensibility ("btw I traveled to Colombia") and now it's more about *local* stuff ("btw I had a beardo make me a salad bowl")

pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:39 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i guess these people aren't exactly "ruling class" -- they're not whining about how difficult it is to go to (and dress for!) so many parties in some tony vacation spot for rich people -- that's true
but they are still acting rather put upon for an imposition to their precious (and unique!) taste

Art Arfons (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link

which is kind of lol/sad

Art Arfons (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link

No you're misunderstanding. I'm just saying that the dude making the tables isn't really the target of this thread.

pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:43 (twelve years ago) link

As for people complaining about how they can't buy specialness anymore, THAT is a ruling-class agony.

pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:43 (twelve years ago) link

I think the authors are linking two arguments that aren’t really the same.
The real issue here is big box retailers trying to capitalize on handmade, when in reality, handmade is not something that is sold at West Elm, no matter how much they want to market it as such.

SongOfSam, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:44 (twelve years ago) link

one of the heads of our board, discussing moving our offices to a different and less accessible part of town for both our staff and clientele noted in a recent email that "hey, it's just a short cab ride at the worst" and the first thing i thought was that i should post to this thread and the second thing i thought was too much time on ilx

google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:44 (twelve years ago) link

"how much authenticity is too much?" is the defining question of our age i think

I kind of feel like the real questions are "what is authentic?" and "how can I be authentic without it being an affectation?" for anyone who buys into a certain amount of cultural capital.

mh, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:45 (twelve years ago) link

xp re "handmade" btw: i wasn't crazy about mike daisey's new show about steve jobs/apple/apple's business practices in china but he makes one great point which is that with labor as cheap as it is overseas, nobody invests in machinery when you can get a fourteen year old girl to lay the same circuitry a zillion times a year so, in fact, nearly everything we own IS handmade
we just don't want to think about that

google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:47 (twelve years ago) link

the first thing i thought was that i should post to this thread and the second thing i thought was too much time on ilx

Sentences that effortlessly define ilx or whatever that thread is called.

WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:47 (twelve years ago) link

I think really what it comes down to with the article is:

- This woman bought too much shit because she thought it worked with her aesthetic and little of it actually meant anything to her
- She is actually becoming more authentic in rejecting some of her surroundings as things that no longer have an appeal

mh, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.artisanalpencilsharpening.com/

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 15:12 (twelve years ago) link


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