CocoRosie member goes to "Kill Whitey" Ironic dance parties and gets called out by brainwashed.com as racist

/morbz

What a painful thread. I hate needless provocation.

ha

I have learned that I guess you shouldn't tell someone Coco Rosie is racist at a Halloween party because apparently you will make them cry very hard.

i love nabisco on this thread! i want to make print outs and hand them to ppl

Seconded. Super grate nabiscos up above. Except when I lived in NY, 5th and Bedford really did give me the hives.

With any luck, CocoRosie's album will tank as ethically-savvy music fans refuse to buy it and educate their friends; "Cool" record shops will refuse to stock or sell their records, and tell their customers why. After disappointing sales, their label will dump them and they'll be exiled as pariahs, with as much chance of selling records as Gary Glitter. Then anybody else who thinks it's "cool" to be ironically racist will have the burnt-out wreckage of CocoRosie's career and credibility to behold as proof otherwise.

Alternatively, they'll take the hint, become even more hipsterishly abrasive and sell lots of records to the skull-attired coke-snorting nihilists who think that giving a fuck about issues is gay.

― acb (acb), Friday, November 11, 2005 8:54 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Heady times, man

Grey Oceans by CocoRosie shows us a sliver of a secret ocean of high waves we wish to be part of in our dreams. CocoRosie is the shower we need now in the musical desert. - Yoko Ono

They seemed to deal with race as just that, an issue. not like fake Ivy League Afropop ri- off assholes who are, as their wealthy grandparents before them, plundering race without any consideration for the implications. Coco race dives into race in a way that — as I said — scares me. Scares me because it is so insane and so bold and it is also respectful and feels true. - Jamie Stewart, Xiu Xiu

etc.

http://stereogum.com/414512/op-ed-an-artists-dialogue-on-cocorosies-grey-oceans/franchises/op-ed/#

yoko ono's n-bomb >>>>>>> cocorosie's

I'm not gonna trust the judgment of the dude photographed sucking on a horse's dick on anything, tbh.

^^^

i just listened to cocorosie for the first time, just the first couple things that came up on youtube. i thought this was supposed to be some kind of fake rap outfit?

I'm not gonna trust the judgment of anyone that speaks favourably of cocorosie

^^^ also

after listening to another 10 songs or so, i have to say i'm a little surprised this band has taken up anyone's attention much at all

you're forgetting that the inferior Dirty Projectors took up even more attention last year

I only know one Dirty Projectors song, and based on that song I find it categorically impossible to believe that there exists a person who would like CocoRosie more

which song HI DERE?

"Stillness Is The Move"

(waiting for jjjusten to show up and go "actually I have the entirety of CocoRosie's discography, they are wonderful")

is it really just the idea of it that's supposed to be so compelling? old-timey singing over old-timey samply type music, that's... it?

because i can definitely see that being something potent, whether there's racially creepy content thrown in or not. but it isn't, there's hardly one good musical idea at work here and every song i've heard is that same idea.

as they were described itt lo these many years ago, the sound i imagined was basically like what sleigh bells turned out like, or lol tonetta

ugh Jamie Stewart please never talk, I actually like some of yr records

I'm not gonna trust the judgment of the dude photographed sucking on a horse's dick on anything, tbh.

― HI DERE, Monday, June 21, 2010 12:09 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark

I almost don't want to ask...

Ten In The Swear Jar is still better than any Xiu Xiu record. He should've never broken up that band. xp

I almost don't want to ask...

Xiu Xiu fans: Evaluate this (profoundly NWS) picture of Jamie Stewart.

Good Friday is a CocoRosie song worth having.

Xiu Xiu guy sounds like a prick.

Very glad to read Brandon and the contributors of that article going to bat for CocoRosie
I like Jamie's contribution
Antony's thing is OTM although he didn't have to point all his fingers all at once

"I have concluded that the reception of CocoRosie in the US reflects the denial of a greater feminist issue, an ecological issue, a racial issue, a spiritual issue."

Yeah, that must be it.

Haha, remember when every ILM thread was like the above?

xp I feel the same way, tho.
That statement isn't talking about "I don't like CocoRosie"
but rather the way that that band gets taken down so often and with so much vitriol

I think the running thread with all the contributors of the Stereogum piece
is that it's easy for people to write off a couple of ostensibly privileged women
who do experiment, and do reveal so much of themselves
CocoRosie have put themselves in a vulnerable position
and the majority of music publications have turned it into bear-baiting
most of which is unenjoyable, unfunny pollution

I wouldn't go so far as to express that this is a result of "music journalism misogyny"
as is intimated

never heard a note and judging by their photos/sleeves I don't think I want to

Thanks for stopping by.

Anyway kudos to j0hn and Brandon for being a couple of straight guys who're willing to rep for some crazy bitches
Lightening the load off us faggots

I wish I hadn't asked...

I don't think bands get ripped apart just for being female/experimental/revealing. Look on Metacritic - the mainstream rock mags have all been fairly polite - "a step back in the right direction" (Q), "hard going, but one can only applaud their ambition" (Uncut). I don't see any bear-baiting going on.

I thought bears were big fat hairy gay guys

Sorry, gays don't read Q or Uncut

but in seriousness I did notice that that with Grey Oceans people have replaced "pretentious" and "insufferable" with "over-ambitious"

In all honesty, the only reason CocoRosie was ever on my radar in the first place was because of this thread, which was not going to paint them in a very positive light.

xp re: bears, yes, and apparently in the 17th century people used to tie dogs to them and things

what Q or uncut say about 'weirdo' or women artists (and who cares) is a whole other question apart from whether CR are any good or not

I was just using them as egs of titles who might be expected to recoil from Coco Rosie. I went on Metacritic looking for egs of the "vitriol" Owen P is talking about and came up empty.

I would have thought Jamie Stewart was too old and experienced to make such juvenile comments (and I don't even think that really is him blowing that horse in that pic).

Though I don't know why I would think old & experienced necessarily = thoughtful & smart

My dislike of the CocoRosie sisters and their albums and their whole thing has nothing to do with me being male and hetero. It's all about my finely tuned bullshit detector, and those girls fucking stink like bullshit.

But, you see, they have put themselves in a vulnerable position by stinking like bullshit.

My dislike of the CocoRosie sisters and their albums and their whole thing has nothing to do with me being male and hetero. It's all about my finely tuned bullshit detector, and those girls fucking stink like bullshit.

This.

And that since their debut, little of their music has struck me as particularly... good.

Like, I get that people who like Grey Oceans are bummed that not everyone agrees. But to write essays explaining how it's because we're sexist buffoons is pretty fucking enraging. I wish these contributors did a better job describing the pleasures they find in the music. (Some do try to do this, but largely it isn't precise enough.)

Given that Cocorosie are a band that, to outside eyes, stink of scenesterism, the NY-loft-microcosm vibe of many of those Stereogum contributors also doesn't help. I'm surprised Sean Lennon didn't chime in.

Meanwhile, here are two Cocorosie songs I like a lot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A57DFvq8zcE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRQZMreM5Qs