Rockist Git Frank Turner and the horror of the live version of "I Still Believe"

ahh .. have seen that cover in fopp, but never looked at it properly.

Haha, the logo rules but the dude is not backed.

His whole existence befuddles me. A flannel sporting posh British guy who champions Roots Rock and American Hardcore? I wasn't even aware they allowed rock music in England.

"england keep my bones" is a weird promise/threat

chile can have mine

xp rock music was invented in england (then given away)

observed as early as the late 80s: the jam and the clash were very popular with rugby players/fans = mainly posh foax (not posher than me, but posher than you)

IT'S A POP SONG ABOUT ETON! (the only one)

Oh shit, that Half Man Half Biscuit cover ;_;

I would love to watch all of Electric Wizard pull Turner's rib cage out through his anus and then beat him into a coma with it.

hey HMHB and Shellac are both cool bands I wonder why more people don't cover their songs - well I'm gonna do something about that

England keep his bones but make the rest of him into a ginsters pie and shoot it into the sun.

but in a derogatory way

A ginster's pie-radise. Amirite?

I used to know this guy slightly when he was in Million Dead or some band before that, he was outstandingly pretentious.

― |III|||II|||I|I||| (Matt #2), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:51 (Yesterday)

I know someone who was friends with him when he was in Million Dead, but they drifted apart as FT got more popular and more dickish and indeed pretentious to go with it. All things considered, he must be at unimaginable highs of pretentiousness nowadays.

I have both the CDs that Kneejerk (his band before Million Dead) did and they are not bad as wide-eyed Britisher imitations of Refused go but the lyrics are just this witless overreaching teenage jumble of pretend Situationism

like I say, an imitation of Refused

btw what's the deal w/ M@tt using the phrase "rockist git" in the title of this thread

"rockist" is old-school shorthand for someone who believes a very particular tranche of music -- in this case "roots rock" -- is "real music", and that his own "realness" (despite class background) can be ensured by bad mimicry and the "correct" gestural tropes

"git" is accurately descriptive

It's also a subtle play on the phrase 'rocket-powered ginsters'

Just seen that video. Oh my god. Oh my dear god.

BTW, this guy is apparently headlining Wembley Arena next year O_O

this is another one of those dudes who i read about in kerrang (dont ask) like two years ago and i thought "well, this will never be a thing" and now it's apparently a thing and please england dont send him to america :'(

For a start, you can't bang on about "fuckin' rock'n'roll" and then pump out that kind of limp guitar pop.

my track record in guessing which horrible altrock dudes will actually become popular is just terrible. a record label should hire me as some kind of anti a&r man.

You can be the people's a&r man and protect us from faux punk bro-folk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfnv97Uz8-Y

The funniest thing about this is the bassline.. oompa loompa doompa dee doo

omg that shellac cover. mencap ima kill u.

its bringing back memories of so many horrible open mic "JUST LET ME DRINK IN PEACE" nights circa 1999 to 2004. except it would have been a sensetive chumbawumba cover.

^ give him time on that one i guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWwdAtReCAQ

The straining, throaty, white male rock vocal is possibly my least favourite sound in the known universe. OP video is hilarious though and those lyrics even out-conservatived the intro. But the "Build Me Up Buttercup" cover was where it went from amusing to painful, not cool NickB

Frank Turner, Elliott Smith And Nick Drake are all so amazing

HerSilkScarfGagsMe 1 week ago

Hoping they've got Frank on suicide watch, just in case.

"rockist" is old-school shorthand for someone who believes a very particular tranche of music -- in this case "roots rock" -- is "real music", and that his own "realness" (despite class background) can be ensured by bad mimicry and the "correct" gestural tropes

"git" is accurately descriptive

― mark s, Friday, 21 October 2011 11:57 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol thx Mark, it was more that it seemed an unusual turn of phrase for star ilxor "upper mississippi sh@kedown"

mimicry is contagious

upper mississippi sh@kedown tomorrow: "'Ere, what's this geezer up to? 'E's avin' a larf, innee?"

there is no fucking way i am listening to the Shellac or Foundations covers.

elephant in the room: this guy is clearly a stupendous choad, and yet he is a stupendous choad who is presumably getting v. paid and laid. i see his angle. we shd consider the tens of thousands of human beings, many of whom live and work amongst us, who think this is the soundtrack of their lifes.

like i am usually the first to pile on about the subjectivity of taste and the importance of context in listening to music, so why does this particular kind of thing make me wanna google sarin recipes?

Perhaps it's lyrics like

The ladies of London town
Go flowing through these streets like water
Running little streams down to the river.
They wash the dirty ground, they sweep me off my feet,
But like an English summer, they'll soon be gone forever.

Yeah, well life is about love, lost minutes and lost evening. About fire in our bellies and about furtive little feelings. And the aching amplitudes that set our needles all a-flickering. And they help us with remembering that the only thing that's left to do is live. . After all of the loving and losing, after all the heroes and the pioneers. The only thing that's left to do is get another round in at the bar.

You've got a generation raised on the welfare state,
Enjoyed all its benefits and did just great,
But as soon as they were settled as the richest of the rich,
They kicked away the ladder, told the rest of us that life's a bitch.

some lyrical platitudes can be alright tho? maybe it's platitudinousness thinking it's a manifesto that irritates

Oh yes these are most certainly manifestos.

Once an honest man could go from sunrise to its set
Without encountering agents of his state or government
But a sorry cloud of tyranny has fallen across the land
Brought on by hollow men, who did not understand
That for centuries our forefather have fought and often died
To keep themselves unto themselves, to fight the rising tide
And that if in the smallest battles we surrender to the state
We enter in a darkness whence we never shall escape

ah, it's like the Levellers never came into their inheritances and took up seats in the House of Lords

And that if in the smallest battles we surrender to the state
We enter in a darkness whence we never shall escape

Conservative Party manifesto right there.

I know what NV means. Normally I reserve disdain for artists but with Turner/Sheeran/Mumfords their passionate fans are actually more annoying for thinking this is any way profound and not ghastly and wrong.

You've got a generation raised on the welfare state,
Enjoyed all its benefits and did just great,
But as soon as they were settled as the richest of the rich,
They kicked away the ladder, told the rest of us that life's a bitch.

― antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Friday, 21 October 2011 13:48 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

interesting definition of "us" here

A few things wrong with his history of the welfare state there.

i blame his education

id never heard of him until today idk

i hadn't heard of him until last night.

great days.

rockist git is a thoroughly unamerican pejorative it's like calling him an infernal bounder or sthing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iFEa7pRO1o

i take some small measure of solace in imagining frank being crushed by albini's pre-emptive dismissal

iirc some punter got mad at me for using the word git in this thread title

lol waht

iirc some punter got mad at me for using the word git in this thread title

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, September 18, 2017 11:57 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Oi mate that's our word you best be keppin outcha gob right? As you were."

Classic thread made doubly classic by Brad's late entry into it.

― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Monday, September 18, 2017 2:53 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're welcome

found this in the billy bragg guardian article linked upthread

[quote]Frank Turner reminds me very much of my first boyfriend Henry. We met at a student party; everyone else was getting drunk and dancing but he was simply sitting on the stairs strumming an acoustic guitar looking into the middle distance like some very lost soul. He was gently singing a song called What the thunder said which he told me was inspired by The Wasteland and when he sang it was like time stopped. I think what Henry and Frank both have in common is an ability to give a voice to the unspoken and to speak for a generation. Both are literate and understand the likes of Chaucer, Kyd and Marvell but both can also relate to the man in the street; after a date with myself Henry once spent nearly 10 minutes talking to a homeless man on Coldharbour Lane. Give praise that people like Frank, Mumford and Sons and Emmy the Great even exist today and bless us with their music.[/quote]

ysi?

just remembered, quite unprompted, that this guy existed and frankly it's ruined my weeked

Dead? No.

Now a published author...

https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9781/4722/9781472257857.jpg

The brand new memoir from the Sunday Times bestselling author of The Road Beneath My Feet.

Taking 36 songs from his back catalogue, folk-punk icon Frank Turner explores his songwriting process. Find out the stories behind the songs forged in the hedonistic years of the mid-2000s North London scene, the ones perfected in Nashville studios, and everything in between. Some of these songs arrive fully-formed, as if they've always been there, some take graft and endless reworking to find 'the one'. In exploring them all, Turner reflects with eloquence, insight and self-deprecating wit on exactly what it is to be a songwriter.

From love songs and break-up songs to political calls-to-arms; songs composed alone in a hotel room or in soundcheck with the Sleeping Souls, this brilliantly written memoir - featuring exclusive photos of handwritten lyrics and more - is a must-have book for FT fans and anyone curious about how to write music.

... it is, of course, his second book.

who could have guessed that, of all the horrors of the last couple of weeks, it would be the reminder that frank turner exists that would push me over the edge into full-on existential crisis

― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 February 2017 10:46 (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the verdict is in on frank turner's live version of 'i still believe', folks

https://i.imgur.com/OXoD79Y.jpg

checks out

user sirgreendown pegged this eight years ago

I STILL BELIEVE...in music not made by black folks or people with vaginas.
― SirGreendown, Friday, October 21, 2011 12:43 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

_ who could have guessed that, of all the horrors of the last couple of weeks, it would be the reminder that frank turner exists that would push me over the edge into full-on existential crisis

― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 February 2017 10:46 (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink_

sorry about that