Rockist Git Frank Turner and the horror of the live version of "I Still Believe"

shame he doesn't believe in writing good songs

I used to know this guy slightly when he was in Million Dead or some band before that, he was outstandingly pretentious.

oh he was in a band? is he like blink-182 dude that discovered jesus springsteen?

Congratulations Brits. You finally have your own Daughtry.

It's insane how big this fucking tool is. I mean he's playing at Wembley soon. This guy. Skrillex. Ed Sheeran. Mumford And Sons. I feel like cashing my fucking chips in. It's like 1997 all over again.

Hello Hooray, what a nice day, for the Eton Rifles, Eton Rifles...

i only managed 8 seconds of the vid so i won't be hearing the song

i hope somebody runs over his balls with a steam roller, soon

a proper authentic steam roller running on sea coal, obv

Turner was educated on a scholarship at Eton College, where he studied alongside Prince William, and later went on to attend the London School of Economics where he read History.[2] His father Roger Turner, is the son of Sir Mark Turner, formerly chairman of high street retailer BHS, and had himself also attended Eton before becoming a City investment banker, while his mother, Jane, the daughter of a bishop, is a primary school headmistress.[3]

^ Punk fucken' rock, people

well yeah, basically

make that a convoy of steam rollers btw

I STILL BELIEVE...in music not made by black folks or people with vaginas.

Listening to this makes me dislike Bruce Springsteen

just gonna up the stakes for ilxors in the US

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwGbx82tMv0

and the UK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEowBvFlcvE

thank me later

gonna check out prices for steam roller hire today

'who would have thought' - some etonian

Christ what an arsehole. Doran's right - this guy + Mumford + Sheeran is just too much.

For the record, I don't care how posh anyone is until they start pretending to be horny handed sons of toil. So this is one of the first reasons why I'll hold him down when the steam rollers are coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4jfwTI_0Bw

And Million Dead were OK, nothing more.

As with Sheeran there seems to be this hideous overlap between singer-songwriter cliches and bland observational comedy. He could be on the Now Show.

I was supposed to be reviewing Ed Sheeran for NME but they (label/PR) point blank refused to send me a copy. Which kind of shows you how much genuine affection and support for him even his own people have.

it really does feel like both ed and frank are the power brokers in the so called "music industry" saying : "will this do, cos we just don't care anymore"

fucking dreadful, and to think i stopped listening to miles davis to see what the fuss in this thread was all about.

never heard of this guy at all. Assumed at first he must be american due to the thread starter. Has this guy sold a lot of albums then?

until john said "It's insane how big this fucking tool is" i thought this was just another rebecca black styled net thing ..

never heard him ..

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/image-library/square/250/f/frank-turner-album_06,11.jpg

Financial Times hardcore?

aah now I remember, I did see this cock on tv at a festival recently (Reading? probably). He had that FTHC backdrop onstage.

ahh .. have seen that cover in fopp, but never looked at it properly.

Haha, the logo rules but the dude is not backed.

His whole existence befuddles me. A flannel sporting posh British guy who champions Roots Rock and American Hardcore? I wasn't even aware they allowed rock music in England.

"england keep my bones" is a weird promise/threat

chile can have mine

xp rock music was invented in england (then given away)

observed as early as the late 80s: the jam and the clash were very popular with rugby players/fans = mainly posh foax (not posher than me, but posher than you)

IT'S A POP SONG ABOUT ETON! (the only one)

Oh shit, that Half Man Half Biscuit cover ;_;

I would love to watch all of Electric Wizard pull Turner's rib cage out through his anus and then beat him into a coma with it.

hey HMHB and Shellac are both cool bands I wonder why more people don't cover their songs - well I'm gonna do something about that

England keep his bones but make the rest of him into a ginsters pie and shoot it into the sun.

but in a derogatory way

A ginster's pie-radise. Amirite?

I used to know this guy slightly when he was in Million Dead or some band before that, he was outstandingly pretentious.

― |III|||II|||I|I||| (Matt #2), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:51 (Yesterday)

I know someone who was friends with him when he was in Million Dead, but they drifted apart as FT got more popular and more dickish and indeed pretentious to go with it. All things considered, he must be at unimaginable highs of pretentiousness nowadays.

I have both the CDs that Kneejerk (his band before Million Dead) did and they are not bad as wide-eyed Britisher imitations of Refused go but the lyrics are just this witless overreaching teenage jumble of pretend Situationism

like I say, an imitation of Refused

btw what's the deal w/ M@tt using the phrase "rockist git" in the title of this thread

"rockist" is old-school shorthand for someone who believes a very particular tranche of music -- in this case "roots rock" -- is "real music", and that his own "realness" (despite class background) can be ensured by bad mimicry and the "correct" gestural tropes

"git" is accurately descriptive

It's also a subtle play on the phrase 'rocket-powered ginsters'

Just seen that video. Oh my god. Oh my dear god.

BTW, this guy is apparently headlining Wembley Arena next year O_O

this is another one of those dudes who i read about in kerrang (dont ask) like two years ago and i thought "well, this will never be a thing" and now it's apparently a thing and please england dont send him to america :'(

For a start, you can't bang on about "fuckin' rock'n'roll" and then pump out that kind of limp guitar pop.

my track record in guessing which horrible altrock dudes will actually become popular is just terrible. a record label should hire me as some kind of anti a&r man.

You can be the people's a&r man and protect us from faux punk bro-folk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfnv97Uz8-Y

The funniest thing about this is the bassline.. oompa loompa doompa dee doo

omg that shellac cover. mencap ima kill u.

its bringing back memories of so many horrible open mic "JUST LET ME DRINK IN PEACE" nights circa 1999 to 2004. except it would have been a sensetive chumbawumba cover.

"Nashville Tennessee"

From the heart of the Southern Downs, to the North-East London reservoirs,
From the start, the land scaped my sound, before I'd ever been to America.

And if I knew anybody who played pedal steel guitar,
I'd get them in my band and then my band would get real far,
But I was raised in middle England, and not in Nashville Tennessee,
And the only person in my band is me.

A simple scale on an old guitar, and a punk rock sense of honesty.
I cannot fail, I've got this far with no knowledge of mid-west geography.

And if I knew anywhere where I could drive in a straight line
For hours in the desert, I'd drive for hours at a time.
But I was raised in middle England, not in Nashville Tennessee,
And the only person in this car is me.

And yes I'm in four-four time, and yes I use cheap cheap rhymes,
But I try to make a sound my own.
I know I don't break new ground, many have travelled this sound,
But I try to make it sound like home.

Well I've been to Texas state, I didn't think it was that fucking great,
And Nebraska is just a bunch of songs,
Holloway and Hampshire where I belong.
And I don't know anybody who plays pedal steel guitar,
All the city roads are twisted and I do not own a car.
I was raised in middle England, not in Nashville Tennessee,
And the only thing I'm offering is me.

Richie, please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x72GyoWs3r8

Can't I just spend the next four years at a punk show?
I want to spend the next four years in the front row
Because if the world outside is going to shit
Then you will find me in the centre of the circle pit
I'm going to spend the next four years at a punk show

Can't I just spend the next four years getting wasted?
Maybe if I drink enough whisky shots I can face it
Because if we're welcoming in World War Three
Then I'm waving goodbye to my sobriety
I'm going to spend the next four years getting wasted

What do we do if they don't represent us?
What do we do, do, do?
I thought that we were winning the war against the homophobes and the racists
You can't be serious man, we can't be this fucked
Well I'm sorry, old friends, I guess it's time to suck it up
Don't go giving up now, here's what we do:

We can't just spend the next four years in a safe space
I'm going to spend the next four years getting outraged
So every single day let's find a brand new way
To let the motherfuckers know that we can't be swept away
I'm going to spend the next four years on the barricades

A change is going to come, and there's nothing to be done
A change is going to come, come, come:
The only thing to choose is to decide which way you're going to jump
So don't give into the hatred; don't give into the fear
Pour yourself a shot of anger to go with your beer

Let's be the sand in the gears for the next four years

wait shurely he got the governments he wanted?

who could have guessed that, of all the horrors of the last couple of weeks, it would be the reminder that frank turner exists that would push me over the edge into full-on existential crisis

everyone who wrote one of those "Trump being elected would actually be good in some ways because it will inspire some kick-ass protest music" hot takes should be forced to listen to this once a day for the next four years

lmao i had no idea there was a frank turner thread on ilx

his last record was very good

great song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB4Avdlz3lk

his last record was very good

this is utterly beyond the pale

lmao

that song is awful

back to the emo thread with me

lmao i had no idea there was a frank turner thread on ilx

Welcome to ILX's Frank Turner thread!

why is frank turner so bad and hated

i feel like this thread is a pretty good primer tbh but in brief

- privately-educated but presents as a horny-handed son of the soil
- that rarest and most ridiculous of things: a british libertarian
- his songs are fucking awful

his last record was very good

― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 February 2017 13:08 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Closest I've ever come to FPing for something as innocuous as an opinion on music tbh

lol i would luv 2 be banned for enjoying a few frank turner songs

tbh if it wasn't Brad I'd've pulled the trigger

wonderful non-git John K. Samson's only tour date here was opening for Turner and it was such a bummer.

Classic thread made doubly classic by Brad's late entry into it.

every time i've only just forgotten about the existence of rockist git frank turner this thread gets bumped ;_;

this thread reminds me how good Billy Bragg is.

saw Jason Isbell in Oakland on Friday night...opening act none other than Frank :/

the crowd was super into his nonsense but i could not stand him. it was like if a shitty magician became a singer in a Kiss coverband, it was veering deeply into Paul Stanley parody territory
(I NEED A VOLUNTEER FROM THE AUDIENCE TO PLAY HARMONICA)
(EVERYBODY CLAP YOUR HANDS) (
EVERYBODY SING LIKE THIS: OOOOOOHHH)
(THE CROWD IN MONTANA SANG WAY LOUDER THAN YOU GUYS, I THOUGHT OAKLAND COULD DO BETTER)
All this endless interactive nonsense, it was maddening
Just fuckin sing your shit and if we like it then maybe we'll fuckin clap how about that

and i have always found it super annoying when the opening act comes out & plays like they're the headliner.

doesn't sound very libertarian

he's moved on to the nuremburg rally phase of his career

The Quietus posed the questions to Albini w/r/t to FT

Are you aware of Frank Turner's version?

SA: I don't know who Frank Turner is.

He's a sort of libertarian Billy Bragg figure from Hampshire with a fashionable beard.

SA: That sounds horrible. I like the actual socialist Billy Bragg. What's his name? I'm going to Google this fucker after we're done. However bad it is, whatever cringing I have to do when this is over, it's on you.

He introduces his version by saying how much the song chimed with his own "situation in life" which makes you wonder if he's one of those dudes who's maybe not getting it.


SA: Everything you've said to me makes me think I want this guy to jump in well but I haven't actually heard his music and I'm not familiar with him so I'm going to maintain the indifference of ignorance for now.

i take some small measure of solace in imagining frank being crushed by albini's pre-emptive dismissal

iirc some punter got mad at me for using the word git in this thread title

lol waht

iirc some punter got mad at me for using the word git in this thread title

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, September 18, 2017 11:57 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Oi mate that's our word you best be keppin outcha gob right? As you were."

Classic thread made doubly classic by Brad's late entry into it.

― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Monday, September 18, 2017 2:53 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're welcome

found this in the billy bragg guardian article linked upthread

[quote]Frank Turner reminds me very much of my first boyfriend Henry. We met at a student party; everyone else was getting drunk and dancing but he was simply sitting on the stairs strumming an acoustic guitar looking into the middle distance like some very lost soul. He was gently singing a song called What the thunder said which he told me was inspired by The Wasteland and when he sang it was like time stopped. I think what Henry and Frank both have in common is an ability to give a voice to the unspoken and to speak for a generation. Both are literate and understand the likes of Chaucer, Kyd and Marvell but both can also relate to the man in the street; after a date with myself Henry once spent nearly 10 minutes talking to a homeless man on Coldharbour Lane. Give praise that people like Frank, Mumford and Sons and Emmy the Great even exist today and bless us with their music.[/quote]

ysi?

just remembered, quite unprompted, that this guy existed and frankly it's ruined my weeked

Dead? No.

Now a published author...

https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9781/4722/9781472257857.jpg

The brand new memoir from the Sunday Times bestselling author of The Road Beneath My Feet.

Taking 36 songs from his back catalogue, folk-punk icon Frank Turner explores his songwriting process. Find out the stories behind the songs forged in the hedonistic years of the mid-2000s North London scene, the ones perfected in Nashville studios, and everything in between. Some of these songs arrive fully-formed, as if they've always been there, some take graft and endless reworking to find 'the one'. In exploring them all, Turner reflects with eloquence, insight and self-deprecating wit on exactly what it is to be a songwriter.

From love songs and break-up songs to political calls-to-arms; songs composed alone in a hotel room or in soundcheck with the Sleeping Souls, this brilliantly written memoir - featuring exclusive photos of handwritten lyrics and more - is a must-have book for FT fans and anyone curious about how to write music.

... it is, of course, his second book.

who could have guessed that, of all the horrors of the last couple of weeks, it would be the reminder that frank turner exists that would push me over the edge into full-on existential crisis

― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 February 2017 10:46 (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the verdict is in on frank turner's live version of 'i still believe', folks

https://i.imgur.com/OXoD79Y.jpg

checks out

user sirgreendown pegged this eight years ago

I STILL BELIEVE...in music not made by black folks or people with vaginas.
― SirGreendown, Friday, October 21, 2011 12:43 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

_ who could have guessed that, of all the horrors of the last couple of weeks, it would be the reminder that frank turner exists that would push me over the edge into full-on existential crisis

― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 February 2017 10:46 (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink_

sorry about that