oh god he says fuckin' "gramophone" jesus
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 October 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
what a terrible fuckin song
― wrestlingisreal420 (crüt), Thursday, 20 October 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
that dude probably like joe strummer & the mescaleros a lot
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 October 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
Something touched him deep insideThe day the Spin Doctors died
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 October 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
it appears plaid shirts are key elements of this belief system
― erschloraque, Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
shame he doesn't believe in writing good songs
― owenf, Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
I used to know this guy slightly when he was in Million Dead or some band before that, he was outstandingly pretentious.
― |III|||II|||I|I||| (Matt #2), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
oh he was in a band? is he like blink-182 dude that discovered jesus springsteen?
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
Congratulations Brits. You finally have your own Daughtry.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
It's insane how big this fucking tool is. I mean he's playing at Wembley soon. This guy. Skrillex. Ed Sheeran. Mumford And Sons. I feel like cashing my fucking chips in. It's like 1997 all over again.
― Conan The Asshander (Doran), Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
Hello Hooray, what a nice day, for the Eton Rifles, Eton Rifles...
― Turrican, Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
i only managed 8 seconds of the vid so i won't be hearing the song
i hope somebody runs over his balls with a steam roller, soon
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
a proper authentic steam roller running on sea coal, obv
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
Turner was educated on a scholarship at Eton College, where he studied alongside Prince William, and later went on to attend the London School of Economics where he read History.[2] His father Roger Turner, is the son of Sir Mark Turner, formerly chairman of high street retailer BHS, and had himself also attended Eton before becoming a City investment banker, while his mother, Jane, the daughter of a bishop, is a primary school headmistress.[3]
^ Punk fucken' rock, people
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:31 (twelve years ago) link
well yeah, basically
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
make that a convoy of steam rollers btw
I STILL BELIEVE...in music not made by black folks or people with vaginas.
― SirGreendown, Friday, 21 October 2011 05:43 (twelve years ago) link
Listening to this makes me dislike Bruce Springsteen
― All kinds of heinous things, Friday, 21 October 2011 07:07 (twelve years ago) link
just gonna up the stakes for ilxors in the US
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwGbx82tMv0
and the UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEowBvFlcvE
thank me later
― We All Had Guess Papers (DJ Mencap), Friday, 21 October 2011 07:11 (twelve years ago) link
gonna check out prices for steam roller hire today
― Two Noble Klinsmenn (Noodle Vague), Friday, 21 October 2011 07:14 (twelve years ago) link
'who would have thought' - some etonian
― bongs of a dread redeemer (Lamp), Friday, 21 October 2011 07:17 (twelve years ago) link
Christ what an arsehole. Doran's right - this guy + Mumford + Sheeran is just too much.
― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Friday, 21 October 2011 08:08 (twelve years ago) link
For the record, I don't care how posh anyone is until they start pretending to be horny handed sons of toil. So this is one of the first reasons why I'll hold him down when the steam rollers are coming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4jfwTI_0Bw
And Million Dead were OK, nothing more.
― Conan The Asshander (Doran), Friday, 21 October 2011 08:19 (twelve years ago) link
As with Sheeran there seems to be this hideous overlap between singer-songwriter cliches and bland observational comedy. He could be on the Now Show.
― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Friday, 21 October 2011 08:33 (twelve years ago) link
I was supposed to be reviewing Ed Sheeran for NME but they (label/PR) point blank refused to send me a copy. Which kind of shows you how much genuine affection and support for him even his own people have.
― Conan The Asshander (Doran), Friday, 21 October 2011 08:46 (twelve years ago) link
it really does feel like both ed and frank are the power brokers in the so called "music industry" saying : "will this do, cos we just don't care anymore"
fucking dreadful, and to think i stopped listening to miles davis to see what the fuss in this thread was all about.
― mark e, Friday, 21 October 2011 09:14 (twelve years ago) link
never heard of this guy at all. Assumed at first he must be american due to the thread starter. Has this guy sold a lot of albums then?
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Friday, 21 October 2011 09:16 (twelve years ago) link
until john said "It's insane how big this fucking tool is" i thought this was just another rebecca black styled net thing ..
never heard him ..
― mark e, Friday, 21 October 2011 09:19 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/image-library/square/250/f/frank-turner-album_06,11.jpg
Financial Times hardcore?
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Friday, 21 October 2011 09:31 (twelve years ago) link
aah now I remember, I did see this cock on tv at a festival recently (Reading? probably). He had that FTHC backdrop onstage.
― The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Friday, 21 October 2011 09:34 (twelve years ago) link
ahh .. have seen that cover in fopp, but never looked at it properly.
― mark e, Friday, 21 October 2011 09:41 (twelve years ago) link
Haha, the logo rules but the dude is not backed.
His whole existence befuddles me. A flannel sporting posh British guy who champions Roots Rock and American Hardcore? I wasn't even aware they allowed rock music in England.
― All kinds of heinous things, Friday, 21 October 2011 09:55 (twelve years ago) link
"england keep my bones" is a weird promise/threat
chile can have mine
xp rock music was invented in england (then given away)
― mark s, Friday, 21 October 2011 09:57 (twelve years ago) link
observed as early as the late 80s: the jam and the clash were very popular with rugby players/fans = mainly posh foax (not posher than me, but posher than you)
IT'S A POP SONG ABOUT ETON! (the only one)
― mark s, Friday, 21 October 2011 09:59 (twelve years ago) link
Oh shit, that Half Man Half Biscuit cover ;_;
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Friday, 21 October 2011 10:11 (twelve years ago) link
I would love to watch all of Electric Wizard pull Turner's rib cage out through his anus and then beat him into a coma with it.
― Conan The Asshander (Doran), Friday, 21 October 2011 10:23 (twelve years ago) link
hey HMHB and Shellac are both cool bands I wonder why more people don't cover their songs - well I'm gonna do something about that
― We All Had Guess Papers (DJ Mencap), Friday, 21 October 2011 10:26 (twelve years ago) link
England keep his bones but make the rest of him into a ginsters pie and shoot it into the sun.
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Friday, 21 October 2011 10:36 (twelve years ago) link
but in a derogatory way
― mark s, Friday, 21 October 2011 10:45 (twelve years ago) link
A ginster's pie-radise. Amirite?
― Conan The Asshander (Doran), Friday, 21 October 2011 10:53 (twelve years ago) link
― |III|||II|||I|I||| (Matt #2), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:51 (Yesterday)
I know someone who was friends with him when he was in Million Dead, but they drifted apart as FT got more popular and more dickish and indeed pretentious to go with it. All things considered, he must be at unimaginable highs of pretentiousness nowadays.
― sunn :o))) (Merdeyeux), Friday, 21 October 2011 11:20 (twelve years ago) link
I have both the CDs that Kneejerk (his band before Million Dead) did and they are not bad as wide-eyed Britisher imitations of Refused go but the lyrics are just this witless overreaching teenage jumble of pretend Situationism
like I say, an imitation of Refused
― We All Had Guess Papers (DJ Mencap), Friday, 21 October 2011 11:37 (twelve years ago) link
btw what's the deal w/ M@tt using the phrase "rockist git" in the title of this thread
― We All Had Guess Papers (DJ Mencap), Friday, 21 October 2011 11:39 (twelve years ago) link
"rockist" is old-school shorthand for someone who believes a very particular tranche of music -- in this case "roots rock" -- is "real music", and that his own "realness" (despite class background) can be ensured by bad mimicry and the "correct" gestural tropes
"git" is accurately descriptive
― mark s, Friday, 21 October 2011 11:57 (twelve years ago) link
It's also a subtle play on the phrase 'rocket-powered ginsters'
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Friday, 21 October 2011 12:01 (twelve years ago) link
Just seen that video. Oh my god. Oh my dear god.
― dog latin, Friday, 21 October 2011 12:03 (twelve years ago) link
BTW, this guy is apparently headlining Wembley Arena next year O_O
― Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Friday, 21 October 2011 12:03 (twelve years ago) link
this is another one of those dudes who i read about in kerrang (dont ask) like two years ago and i thought "well, this will never be a thing" and now it's apparently a thing and please england dont send him to america :'(
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Friday, 21 October 2011 12:05 (twelve years ago) link
For a start, you can't bang on about "fuckin' rock'n'roll" and then pump out that kind of limp guitar pop.
― dog latin, Friday, 21 October 2011 12:06 (twelve years ago) link
my track record in guessing which horrible altrock dudes will actually become popular is just terrible. a record label should hire me as some kind of anti a&r man.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Friday, 21 October 2011 12:07 (twelve years ago) link
GOOD GAWD
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:02 (eight years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a6/e9/74/a6e974df1299ae8d54ddc04e7684d93c.jpg
― soref, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:17 (eight years ago) link
nightmarez
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:19 (eight years ago) link
I'm gonna pretend that all those "I Still Believe" tats are for Tim Cappello.
― how's life, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:22 (eight years ago) link
"...three small words."
Fuck off cunt
― The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link
"Nashville Tennessee"
From the heart of the Southern Downs, to the North-East London reservoirs,From the start, the land scaped my sound, before I'd ever been to America.
And if I knew anybody who played pedal steel guitar,I'd get them in my band and then my band would get real far,But I was raised in middle England, and not in Nashville Tennessee,And the only person in my band is me.
A simple scale on an old guitar, and a punk rock sense of honesty.I cannot fail, I've got this far with no knowledge of mid-west geography.
And if I knew anywhere where I could drive in a straight lineFor hours in the desert, I'd drive for hours at a time.But I was raised in middle England, not in Nashville Tennessee,And the only person in this car is me.
And yes I'm in four-four time, and yes I use cheap cheap rhymes,But I try to make a sound my own.I know I don't break new ground, many have travelled this sound,But I try to make it sound like home.
Well I've been to Texas state, I didn't think it was that fucking great,And Nebraska is just a bunch of songs,Holloway and Hampshire where I belong.And I don't know anybody who plays pedal steel guitar,All the city roads are twisted and I do not own a car.I was raised in middle England, not in Nashville Tennessee,And the only thing I'm offering is me.
Richie, please.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x72GyoWs3r8
Can't I just spend the next four years at a punk show?I want to spend the next four years in the front rowBecause if the world outside is going to shitThen you will find me in the centre of the circle pitI'm going to spend the next four years at a punk show
Can't I just spend the next four years getting wasted?Maybe if I drink enough whisky shots I can face itBecause if we're welcoming in World War ThreeThen I'm waving goodbye to my sobrietyI'm going to spend the next four years getting wasted
What do we do if they don't represent us?What do we do, do, do?I thought that we were winning the war against the homophobes and the racistsYou can't be serious man, we can't be this fuckedWell I'm sorry, old friends, I guess it's time to suck it upDon't go giving up now, here's what we do:
We can't just spend the next four years in a safe spaceI'm going to spend the next four years getting outragedSo every single day let's find a brand new wayTo let the motherfuckers know that we can't be swept awayI'm going to spend the next four years on the barricades
A change is going to come, and there's nothing to be doneA change is going to come, come, come:The only thing to choose is to decide which way you're going to jumpSo don't give into the hatred; don't give into the fearPour yourself a shot of anger to go with your beer
Let's be the sand in the gears for the next four years
― soref, Thursday, 2 February 2017 04:17 (seven years ago) link
wait shurely he got the governments he wanted?
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 February 2017 07:17 (seven years ago) link
who could have guessed that, of all the horrors of the last couple of weeks, it would be the reminder that frank turner exists that would push me over the edge into full-on existential crisis
― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 February 2017 10:46 (seven years ago) link
everyone who wrote one of those "Trump being elected would actually be good in some ways because it will inspire some kick-ass protest music" hot takes should be forced to listen to this once a day for the next four years
― soref, Thursday, 2 February 2017 12:58 (seven years ago) link
lmao i had no idea there was a frank turner thread on ilx
his last record was very good
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 February 2017 13:08 (seven years ago) link
great song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB4Avdlz3lk
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 February 2017 13:09 (seven years ago) link
this is utterly beyond the pale
― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 February 2017 13:47 (seven years ago) link
lmao
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 February 2017 13:49 (seven years ago) link
that song is awful
― glumdalclitch, Thursday, 2 February 2017 13:50 (seven years ago) link
back to the emo thread with me
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 February 2017 14:15 (seven years ago) link
Welcome to ILX's Frank Turner thread!
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 February 2017 14:23 (seven years ago) link
why is frank turner so bad and hated
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 February 2017 14:39 (seven years ago) link
i feel like this thread is a pretty good primer tbh but in brief
- privately-educated but presents as a horny-handed son of the soil- that rarest and most ridiculous of things: a british libertarian- his songs are fucking awful
― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 February 2017 14:43 (seven years ago) link
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 February 2017 13:08 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Closest I've ever come to FPing for something as innocuous as an opinion on music tbh
― ultros ultros-ghali, Thursday, 2 February 2017 15:55 (seven years ago) link
lol i would luv 2 be banned for enjoying a few frank turner songs
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 February 2017 15:58 (seven years ago) link
tbh if it wasn't Brad I'd've pulled the trigger
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 February 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link
wonderful non-git John K. Samson's only tour date here was opening for Turner and it was such a bummer.
― fits, Thursday, 2 February 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link
Classic thread made doubly classic by Brad's late entry into it.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Monday, 18 September 2017 09:53 (six years ago) link
every time i've only just forgotten about the existence of rockist git frank turner this thread gets bumped ;_;
― Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 September 2017 10:46 (six years ago) link
this thread reminds me how good Billy Bragg is.
― piscesx, Monday, 18 September 2017 14:21 (six years ago) link
saw Jason Isbell in Oakland on Friday night...opening act none other than Frank :/
the crowd was super into his nonsense but i could not stand him. it was like if a shitty magician became a singer in a Kiss coverband, it was veering deeply into Paul Stanley parody territory (I NEED A VOLUNTEER FROM THE AUDIENCE TO PLAY HARMONICA) (EVERYBODY CLAP YOUR HANDS) (EVERYBODY SING LIKE THIS: OOOOOOHHH) (THE CROWD IN MONTANA SANG WAY LOUDER THAN YOU GUYS, I THOUGHT OAKLAND COULD DO BETTER) All this endless interactive nonsense, it was maddeningJust fuckin sing your shit and if we like it then maybe we'll fuckin clap how about that
and i have always found it super annoying when the opening act comes out & plays like they're the headliner.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 September 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
doesn't sound very libertarian
― be the cringe you want to see in the world (Noodle Vague), Monday, 18 September 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
he's moved on to the nuremburg rally phase of his career
― plp will eat itself (NickB), Monday, 18 September 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link
The Quietus posed the questions to Albini w/r/t to FT
Are you aware of Frank Turner's version?
SA: I don't know who Frank Turner is.
He's a sort of libertarian Billy Bragg figure from Hampshire with a fashionable beard.
SA: That sounds horrible. I like the actual socialist Billy Bragg. What's his name? I'm going to Google this fucker after we're done. However bad it is, whatever cringing I have to do when this is over, it's on you.
He introduces his version by saying how much the song chimed with his own "situation in life" which makes you wonder if he's one of those dudes who's maybe not getting it.
SA: Everything you've said to me makes me think I want this guy to jump in well but I haven't actually heard his music and I'm not familiar with him so I'm going to maintain the indifference of ignorance for now.
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 18 September 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link
i take some small measure of solace in imagining frank being crushed by albini's pre-emptive dismissal
― Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 September 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
iirc some punter got mad at me for using the word git in this thread title
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 September 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link
lol waht
― Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 September 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, September 18, 2017 11:57 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"Oi mate that's our word you best be keppin outcha gob right? As you were."
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 18 September 2017 17:06 (six years ago) link
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Monday, September 18, 2017 2:53 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you're welcome
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 18 September 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
found this in the billy bragg guardian article linked upthread
[quote]Frank Turner reminds me very much of my first boyfriend Henry. We met at a student party; everyone else was getting drunk and dancing but he was simply sitting on the stairs strumming an acoustic guitar looking into the middle distance like some very lost soul. He was gently singing a song called What the thunder said which he told me was inspired by The Wasteland and when he sang it was like time stopped. I think what Henry and Frank both have in common is an ability to give a voice to the unspoken and to speak for a generation. Both are literate and understand the likes of Chaucer, Kyd and Marvell but both can also relate to the man in the street; after a date with myself Henry once spent nearly 10 minutes talking to a homeless man on Coldharbour Lane. Give praise that people like Frank, Mumford and Sons and Emmy the Great even exist today and bless us with their music.[/quote]
― cheeseburger, Monday, 18 September 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
ysi?
― Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 September 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
just remembered, quite unprompted, that this guy existed and frankly it's ruined my weeked
― I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 March 2018 15:15 (six years ago) link
Dead? No.
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Friday, 9 March 2018 15:18 (six years ago) link
Now a published author...
https://d1w7fb2mkkr3kw.cloudfront.net/assets/images/book/lrg/9781/4722/9781472257857.jpg
The brand new memoir from the Sunday Times bestselling author of The Road Beneath My Feet.Taking 36 songs from his back catalogue, folk-punk icon Frank Turner explores his songwriting process. Find out the stories behind the songs forged in the hedonistic years of the mid-2000s North London scene, the ones perfected in Nashville studios, and everything in between. Some of these songs arrive fully-formed, as if they've always been there, some take graft and endless reworking to find 'the one'. In exploring them all, Turner reflects with eloquence, insight and self-deprecating wit on exactly what it is to be a songwriter.From love songs and break-up songs to political calls-to-arms; songs composed alone in a hotel room or in soundcheck with the Sleeping Souls, this brilliantly written memoir - featuring exclusive photos of handwritten lyrics and more - is a must-have book for FT fans and anyone curious about how to write music.
Taking 36 songs from his back catalogue, folk-punk icon Frank Turner explores his songwriting process. Find out the stories behind the songs forged in the hedonistic years of the mid-2000s North London scene, the ones perfected in Nashville studios, and everything in between. Some of these songs arrive fully-formed, as if they've always been there, some take graft and endless reworking to find 'the one'. In exploring them all, Turner reflects with eloquence, insight and self-deprecating wit on exactly what it is to be a songwriter.
From love songs and break-up songs to political calls-to-arms; songs composed alone in a hotel room or in soundcheck with the Sleeping Souls, this brilliantly written memoir - featuring exclusive photos of handwritten lyrics and more - is a must-have book for FT fans and anyone curious about how to write music.
― Lammy's Show (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 March 2019 22:40 (five years ago) link
... it is, of course, his second book.
― Lammy's Show (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 March 2019 22:41 (five years ago) link
who could have guessed that, of all the horrors of the last couple of weeks, it would be the reminder that frank turner exists that would push me over the edge into full-on existential crisis― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 February 2017 10:46 (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― i'm w/ tato, super hot AND weird!! (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 March 2019 22:53 (five years ago) link
the verdict is in on frank turner's live version of 'i still believe', folks
https://i.imgur.com/OXoD79Y.jpg
― global tetrahedron, Sunday, 23 June 2019 16:34 (four years ago) link
checks out
― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 June 2019 16:51 (four years ago) link
user sirgreendown pegged this eight years ago
I STILL BELIEVE...in music not made by black folks or people with vaginas.― SirGreendown, Friday, October 21, 2011 12:43 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― global tetrahedron, Sunday, 23 June 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link
_ who could have guessed that, of all the horrors of the last couple of weeks, it would be the reminder that frank turner exists that would push me over the edge into full-on existential crisis― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 February 2017 10:46 (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink_
― turn me on and press my teabag (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 23 June 2019 18:26 (four years ago) link
sorry about that
― global tetrahedron, Sunday, 23 June 2019 21:32 (four years ago) link