Billy Corgan

Corgan should just write some more.

there's just so much 88-91 stuff. had to stop somewhere i guess

Well thats because thats just for the Gish one. The Siamese Dream one picks up after that.

it is out of character for sure it's just like, some things I vibe kinda alex in nyc about getting my hate on. but some dude's weird "the camp you were in then" schtick is like...I think dude has a very projected idea about what I was listening to in the 90s

xp yeah, i meant to say "there's so much 88-91 stuff to choose from, some weird choices here, etc"

i am definitely hoping for more full-length "pistachio medley" cuts to surface, whether on a MCIS reissue or whatever

the thing about the "divisive" thing some dude is I learned about Malkmus's animus toward these guys from ilx poster some dude, on this board, within the last year. I don't know anything about any beef anybody had with him - your "decades-old culture war" is actually a single-person "I don't like this band" thing. I'm not fighting "culture wars," that idea is kind of a hobby-horse of yours. I just think this band is kinda uniquely shitful is all

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it was just a joke about pavement's "range life" representing the general '90s indie distaste for the smashing pumpkins

but i mean stuff like the thread where you're all hey when did people decide Guns N Roses were great, or worrying that people dismiss DLR-era Van Halen because of Sammy Hagar? they just seem like slightly funny old rock lifer things to say, i hope i don't seem malicious or on some weird armchair psychology theorizing when i have a chuckle about generation gaps.

i mean i have no idea what you were listening to in the '90s other than the stuff you post about now that already existed back then and make no claims to believe otherwise

Yeah, I hope to see some of that stuff, but I also sometimes kind of doubt just how much of this promised booty in the vaults actually exists. Like, with the rabid bootleg following these guys have already, is there really that much "secret" stuff left? The tracklistings aren't bearing that out just yet but, as I said, I'll be happy to have some of this stuff cleaned up.

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no it's cool it's just like -- I literally didn't hear "Range Life" until a couple of years ago, I wasn't involved in the culture wars you invoke except in my one-man "ooh this smashing pumpkins band is terrible" army. no malice inferred I just feel like you attribute my opinions to something more programmatic than a simple pleasure/distaste axis

it is true however that I am 1000 years old I can't front

not programmatic per se but i feel like you just have to x years old/entrenched in underground rock to have been offended by SP -- to alt rock kids at the time it was like ok these new guys aren't as good as nirvana but they're better than stone temple pilots so let's give them a chance, annoying vocals and all

fwiw alex in nyc's "i would like to remind you that michael jackson still sucks" is hilarious to me too

not programmatic per se but i feel like you just have to x years old/entrenched in underground rock to have been offended by SP -- to alt rock kids at the time it was like ok these new guys aren't as good as nirvana but they're better than stone temple pilots so let's give them a chance, annoying vocals and all

lol this is otm & fair enough on all points, I'm probably pretty sensitive to charges of coming off old-dude because a lot of my peers listen to exactly nothing that's new and I look at them and think "how can you have become the blinkered person talking about how fuckin great music was when you were a teenager" - kinda take pride in not being that dude as far as my listening habits go. & part of why I hate sp so bad is like I consider some hated bands of today like my chemical romance considerably more listenable than Ol' Wheezy & His Style-Free Sidemen

smashing pumpkins were my favorite band in elementary, middle, and high school. like ned i'll stan for billy's solo record but not much beyond that.

but i actually listened to some of the songs from the tearygarden thing today and i thought one was pretty okay! he used to be a less terrible lyricist though

I'm also fascinated by how it's not just that some people like a band I always had a particular allergy to - it's, some people had life-changing experiences with a band whose music makes me reach for a glass of drano

it's not necessarily a good life

but yeah i loved adore when it came out and all my friends were like "this soft shit is terrible, what happened to mellon collie"

that experience informed a lot of my later attitudes, i'm sure.

I'm also fascinated by how it's not just that some people like a band I always had a particular allergy to - it's, some people had life-changing experiences with a band whose music makes me reach for a glass of drano

I understand that sentiment; I feel that way about some other currently popular whiney-voiced indie bands my friends are really into. But I love early Pumpkins unreservedly.

("currently popular whiney-voiced indie bands" not meant to be a zing - lol)

lol I wondered whether it was just my narcissism that made me go "OOOH SNAP"

hope corgan hires mould

I would only go see the Pumpkins in 2011 if I could go with that guy from Ya Ho Wha 13 whose ecstatic FB comments I posted upthread.

Corgan blames state of music industry for Del Rey's 'SNL' appearance

This is my favorite line: "Don't call it rock 'n' roll. I was part of a generation that changed the world -- and it was taken over by poseurs."

okay Billy, I will not call "Party Rock Anthem" or "Super Bass" rock 'n' roll

to be fair, both members of LMFAO call themselves "rock 'n' roll" in Party Rock Anthem

Basically all Billy Corgan did for his generation was bridge the gap between Nirvana and Third Eye Blind.

Despite all his rage
He's watching Lana Del Rey take the stage

that stings x-post

Corgan lost his hair for rock and roll, dudes!

Despite all his rage
He's watching Lana Del Rey take the stage
Video Gaaaaaaaaames

the empty bodies stand at rest
casualties of their own flesh
video gaaaayyymes

he actually didn't call Lana Del Rey "rock and roll," if you carefully read that mini-story that was made for attention spans of an era in which alleged adult tastemakers listen to kiddie pop.

stop defending billy corgan

it doesn't appear that he accused anyone else of calling her such either

it doesn't appear that anyone in this thread accused him of that referring to LDR with the "rock & roll" line, so maybe it's you who needs the lesson in careful reading

sorry. it's not like I've ever seen or heard LDR, or "Party Rock Anthem" or "Super bass."

well, they all suck more or less, but they're also not aimed at condescending old fossils whose attention spans are so "long" that they only show up on threads about acts that peaked before 1996, so don't worry about that, nobody's surprised

come meet me

and the pavement?

some dude, I think you peaked in utero

well of course, In Utero was the greatest album ever made by the generation that changed the world

i bought In Utero w/ my allowance money (my brother got Siamese Dream, to keep it on topic)

aw crut, sorry u took that bait. YOU KIDS MAKE THIS WORLD LOUSY

does this make morbs and whiney a wary alliance?

whiney and i are friends who are obnoxious to each other on the board, there's not much mutual respect or affection under the surface w/ me and morbz

well tbh you should come up and we'll all have beers

on what basis? I don't even see whiney's comments on this thread, and I have no love for the SmPumps.... they had some good moments. xxp

sd, I have no idea what you're like aside from a guy who enjoys throwin shit at me.

I have no idea what you're like aside from a guy who enjoys throwin shit at everyone on the board

meh, not so. but why argue

I got to see a Mellon Collie-era show for free that was dece entertainment

well, you throw a lot of shit, you have to admit. the only reason i'm giving you any attitude right now is because you stomped into a random thread sneering at everyone in the most self-righteous way possible for allegedly misreading something when you yourself misread the thread. and the only reason nobody else bothered is because people are so used to you being a pompous windbag that your antics in this thread register pretty low on the morbs scale. ta!

pomp this, junior