Nick Cave : Classic or Dud ?

this is where cave laid the groundwork for the grinderman project, no?

no

yeah, i've now read the sound/vibe for grinderman goes back as far as cave's early band (the birthday-party, iirc?). i wasn't a fan years ago, when i heard that stuff. maybe it's time for another try, since i love grinderman 2 so much.

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/9530466.Julie_named_Alumnus_of_the_Year/

awesome

bring back the handlebar mustache tho

"Well of Misery", Electric Ballroom, 1984 - billed as Nick Cave & The Cavemen

fkn great performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdUTM4gU-o

lol@ spanish subtitles

goddammit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26zga0G_C4A

one more

St Huck, Barcelona 1984

melt ur face

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcnUvZqvBiI

He was fantastic once.

I'm sure I've wondered out loud here about this, but the de facto breakup of Grinderman and the return of the Dirty Three makes me wonder about the state of the current Bad Seeds. There's been boilerplate murmurings of a new album, but nothing concrete. Been four years.

its all a bit weird

4 years? But Grinderman 2 came out in 2010. Seems like it had run its course and now he's figuring out the next phase of his career.

4 years since "Dig, Lazarus, Dig!" the last Bad Seeds album, which is not Grinderman (different sound, line-up, name, etc.).

Dud.

Nick's all "I started working with Rasputin when?"

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/308907_330981433660239_652789611_n.jpg

Cave looks a lot less bald there than last time I saw him. Perhaps he shaved off the stache and stuck it on his head?

Hell yeah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK59GDfWvsg&feature=youtu.be

Went to the final tour rehearsal for the new album last night, at a leisure centre ballroom in Hove … and good God the new songs were boring, apart from Jubilee Street or whatever it's called. Not a single melody between them.

There has been some anticipation of the album on this thread. But yes, it's looking like a boring one.

Wow: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jul/02/nick-cave-interview-jack-barron-rocks-backpages

Is that a Guardian page that links to the Barron interview on Rock's Back Pages, or someone talking about it, or a new interview with Barron about it?

Click on it, maybe you'll see.

Wow.

great interview! (seriously)

incidentally the current tour is fucking ferocious and amazing, saw him in SF the other night and it was maybe the best I've seen him out of five or so tours

So what was the "secret project"?The Good Son?

Rehab?

And The Ass Saw The Angel, I'd guess.

"Johnny Suede"?

A great interview.

And yeah they've really been on fire this tour, the Mpls gig was probably one the best shows I've ever seen.

And The Ass Saw The Angel, I'd guess

Can't be that as it's referred to in the article.

Think it probably was just rehab, as Josh in Chicago says. See the first couple of paragraphs here, for example:

http://nickcave.com/music/nickcaveandthebadseeds/the-good-son/information/

Here's a more recent interview/article, from last week's NY Times Sunday Magazine, in case you missed it:

http://nyti.ms/1mFsiYg

I was pretty surprised at the ILM reaction to the last album. I thought it was fantastic, and nothing at all like Boatman's Call/NMSWP (neither of which I ever really feel like listening to, aside from a few Boatman tracks) which it was compared to. I wonder though how much of it was due to listening to poor digital streams/files on poor headphones/computer speakers, as I do think it's a more subtle album that might be difficult to appreciate if you can't hear what's going on.

Once I listened to the whole of Push the Sky Away I loved it, and it's probably the record I've listened to most in the past year. I was disappointed by We No Who U R, as a single, initially, because it did sound like it was supposed to be a Boatman's Call/NMSWP-type song, and a really dull one at that. But as you say, the album's a completely different record - not really built around that kind of songwriting - and even We No Who U R fits perfectly on it.

Actually yeah now that you mention it I was a bit skeptical when I first heard the single too.

Very much looking forward to 20,000 Days in any case.

i love how the endless choruses of 'the mercy seat' vary subtly so that you can never sing along

the bad seeds are just ungodly awesome on this new tour, was probably top 5 shows ever for me

i love push the sky away, so much space and really cool low-key groove based record

the last bad seeds show i saw (15 years ago) is top 5 ever for me so i am hyped for tonight. what's the current setlist look like?

Lots of stuff from the new record, plus one song from most of the other records

awesome, thanks. i look forward to hearing the live arrangements of these new songs

"Jubilee Street" in particular is different and awesome

the periodic eruptions into swansian double-percussionist industrial maelstroms were really something.

i think it's kind of a shame that he writes pretty good piano ballads b/c they are still the least interesting thing that he does. those aside they maintained an impressive level of intensity across the sparser new stuff (like higgs boson blues or jubilee street), the early harsh stuff, and the "pop" stuff (a la red right hand). best show i've seen since sade for sure, and not entirely dissimilar.

and i liked "into my arms" shit too, don't get me wrong, but i was embarrassed for the people of new orleans when they started like fucking waving their arms and clapping in vague rhythm. ugly scene.

http://acltv.com/mentioned-artist/nick-cave-the-bad-seeds/

Cave and band taped an episode for the Austin City Limits tv show

I fought the movie all the way, as I find Cave increasingly pompous and occasionally silly, but it works, mostly.

I absolutely loathe Cave and find him a ridiculous son of a doctor, so will struggle with this movie.

Is this out yet? I liked the trailer.

Even if you didn't like his material, the shear mass of his body of work makes him an undeniable classic.

While the Cave-penned screenplays for both "The Proposition" and "Lawless" are benefited greatly by tremendous performances from the cast, he seems to have a pretty solid grip on that form as well.

Additionally, the soundtrack for "The Proposition" by Cave and Warren Ellis is nearly another character in the movie.

Film has run for 3-4 weeks in NYC.

I do like The Proposition a lot, whereas I have not paid the music much heed since The Boatman's Call.

his recent stretch of albums is a lot better than the immediate post-boatman era.

agreed

i have found that no more shall we part & nocturama are much more listenable for me now than when they were released... not sure why exactly, though