In high doses, alcohol impairs our reaction times, muscle control, co-ordination, short-term memory, perceptual field, cognitive abilities and ability to speak clearly. But it does not cause us selectively to break specific social rules.
"selectively"
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
I have broken specific social rules while on alcohol because my cognitive abilities do not react in time to catch me from doing/saying stupid-ass shit
― wrestlingisreal420 (crüt), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
"firing a machine gun into a crowd kills random strangers but it does not cause us selectively to shoot our boss"
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
That is true, social and cultural factors are what cause us to shoot our bosses. idg yr point tbh.
― antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
The effects of alcohol on behaviour are determined by cultural rules and norms, not by the chemical actions of ethanol.
she is making "determined by" do a lot more work than it shd in this sentence is all i'm saying
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
there are social and cultural factors at play in the behaviour of people who've consumed alcohol. who has ever asserted that this isn't the case? when some Daily Mail hack gets all weepy about "Binge Britain" he quite deliberately isn't referring to MPs caning it into the small hours in House of Commons bars or senile old gits wacked out of their gourds on claret at Boodles or indeed pissed up hacks.
so she's saying that something most people have never claimed is false, is true. sterling work.
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
The drinkaware website, for example, warns young people that a mere three pints of beer (ie a perfectly normal evening out) "can lead to anti-social, aggressive and violent behaviour"
is this blaming social and cultural factors, or the booze? where are campaigns to e.g. reduce happy hour promotions focussing their efforts?
― antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
max gladwell had a piece on this sort of thing a while ago
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
they are blaming alcohol because that is also a contributing cause to those behaviours.
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
Fox might well have a nuanced view about the either/or effects of social structures and biochemistry on human behaviour, but this article is an attempt to explain all behaviour in terms of social structure and i find it unconvincing.
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:21 (twelve years ago) link
clearly tho nobody from mediterranean Europe has been pissed and rowdy ever
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link
The drinkaware website, for example, warns young people that a mere three pints of beer (ie a perfectly normal evening out) "can lead to anti-social, aggressive and violent behaviour"is this blaming social and cultural factors, or the booze? where are campaigns to e.g. reduce happy hour promotions focussing their efforts?― antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:16 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
― antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:16 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
It's manifold really. Among the reasons stated by the anti-cheap booze brigade are:
a - campaigning to promote better health through drinks curbingb - against people going apeshit and throwing up everywhere on a Saturday nightc - (slightly more obscure) - wish to promote the dying pub trade by acting against cheap booze from off licences and supermarkets. Good in theory, but they have to make pubs good again for it to work.
― dog latin, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
i shd stop expecting philosophical caution and temperate language in opinion pieces tbh
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
this reads like an onion article
― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
you read like an onion article.
― dog latin, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
Fox might well have a nuanced view about the either/or effects of social structures and biochemistry on human behaviour, but this article is an attempt to explain all behaviour in terms of social structure and i find it unconvincing
I think this is a real straw-man reading of the article, she pretty clearly states she's not trying to explain "all" behaviour like that. If I have a complaint it's that her analysis of the social/cultural factors is too simplistic, and changing the perception of alcohol alone probably won't have the effect she would like. But it might be worth a try.
― antiautodefenestrationism (ledge), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
that is the burden of being area woman
― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
she's not "wrong" but basically in re: public perception of alcohol in the usa and uk, well that horse left the barn quite some time ago.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
that is the burden of being area woman― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:34 (16 minutes ago) Bookmark
― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:34 (16 minutes ago) Bookmark
;-)
― dog latin, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
she's not "wrong" but basically in re: public perception of alcohol in the usa and uk, well that horse left the barn quite some time ago.― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:36 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:36 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark
how so? we get "binge britain" stories in the papers every week (with the same fucking stock photos) - how is that not a popular and warped perception of alcohol?
― dog latin, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
no what i mean is i'm not really sure much can be done about it at this point.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
i thought i saw the horse headin out alright but that was about tennish and tbph i was already fuckin scattered
― shite pele (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
Alcohol, I hate you, I love you, I can't go on living with you and I can't live without you. (in a socially acceptable way)
― When a German communicates, you listen (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
i've a cosy non-dependent relationship with alcohol, for an irishman
― shite pele (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
So someone on FB pointed out that apparently, as some people here might have predicted, this lady is a lobbyist and may well have an agenda. I feel weird for wanting to agree with her now, even though I do on the whole.
― dog latin, Thursday, 13 October 2011 08:58 (twelve years ago) link
I feel alcohol to be a better social lube while weed is more for solo ops or friendly fire
― calstars, Saturday, 4 October 2014 22:20 (nine years ago) link
COVID lockdown as a supercharger of social anxiety
― | (Latham Green), Friday, 16 April 2021 15:21 (two years ago) link
the advent of additional social rules wrt pandemic behavior and stuff has been not great for social anxiety
― brimstead, Friday, 16 April 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
Zoom meetings have actually helped my social anxiety a lot. Being asked to speak in a staff meeting used to turn me red with embarrassment and stammering. I've been contributing a lot more in zoom meetings, taking the lead in some discussions, etc.
Socializing with people in person is still mostly a complete disaster for me. I always used to reach for booze in an attempt to get over it, but it never worked. My experience in my 20s was that I'd just keep drinking in the hopes that I'd get over the anxiety hump, but I'd never really lose any inhibition until maybe 10 minutes before I needed to find a bathroom floor to pass out on.
― peace, man, Friday, 16 April 2021 19:22 (two years ago) link
So has getting older helped at all?
― tobo73, Friday, 16 April 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link
I somehow have developed into a decent public speaker. I credit all the sports talk/baseball games radio I listen to teaching me about pacing and filler words and how to pause without totally freaking out... idk maybe getting older is a part of it? Glad to hear it’s gotten better for you too, peace, man
― brimstead, Friday, 16 April 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link
I usually can't decide if its more social anxiety or just social aversion for me. Is there a difference?
― | (Latham Green), Friday, 16 April 2021 20:08 (two years ago) link
I’ve had to do a ton more public speaking and presenting in the last year and I feel it’s definitely a skill that you can improve at just by practicing and doing it over and over.
― calstars, Friday, 16 April 2021 20:17 (two years ago) link
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Friday, 16 April 2021 20:20 (two years ago) link
a lot of in-person anxiety results from felt inadequacy in the body,
Interesting thought!
Not much. I'm better at socializing sometimes, but mostly not. Social situations for me these days are rare and pretty much amount to talking to other kids' parents.
― peace, man, Friday, 16 April 2021 20:58 (two years ago) link
I mean, I don't fall asleep on the bathroom floor anymore.
― peace, man, Friday, 16 April 2021 20:59 (two years ago) link
I never use alcohol for social anxiety but seeing as how everyone else seems to I think maybe I should. It is the big legal sedative everyone uses all the time yet does not seem to see as similar to other powerful drugs
― | (Latham Green), Sunday, 18 April 2021 11:31 (two years ago) link
less fun, worse withdrawal. if you're not dependent on it yet keep it that way
the social lubricant thing has always had disappointing results for me- there's less anxiety but i'm still unable to participate in a normal conversation. combining it w (prescription) amphetamines is the only way to get me to talk & then the alcohol is more or less beside the point. wouldn't need any of that shit if i could actually relate to more than like 5 ppl who are never in the same room/city/country (so much of what i thought was lifelong social anxiety is just being surrounded by ppl i can't trust w anything i care about)
zoom is even worse than irl for me but if i'd been using it all year i might feel differently
― searching for my black dope yes I am (Left), Sunday, 18 April 2021 12:14 (two years ago) link
maybe sugar is the true social ubricant
― | (Latham Green), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 17:22 (two years ago) link
Yeast. A spoonful of marmite would do the job.
― chap, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 17:26 (two years ago) link
Ice cream works as a social lubricant imo
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 17:26 (two years ago) link
we're talking about ubricants, not lubricants
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
"Lubricate My Life"
― | (Latham Green), Monday, 18 October 2021 13:13 (two years ago) link