Steve Jobs RIP 1955-2011

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also FYI music industry isn't really "working" very well btw

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:56 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I think a lot of it was overblown bullshit, but there's still something ~off~ about iPads being made in a factory by workers who never even get to *turn one on*. Compare w/Ford, who arranged higher salaries for his staff so they could afford to buy cars.

If Jobs had demanded Foxconn workers be paid enough that they could in theory afford an iPad, would it really have taken all of this $74bn surplus they're sitting on? I don't think so.

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:56 (ten years ago) link

xp

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:56 (ten years ago) link

I mean, I am all about talking about the shortcomings of individuals and companies, but creating issues or doubt to root around for a reason to be skeptical is kind of a bad look.

If Foxconn workers were paid enough to afford an iPad, then you're going to have to pay them enough to have all the things they'd rather have BEFORE an iPad and that's going to cost more than $74bn because you'd be basically building a whole new infrastructure for their lives.

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:59 (ten years ago) link

No, that's paying them enough to have the disposable income to buy an iPad, which is a different thing. Ford didn't pay his guys so much that buying a car was a no-brainer: it'd still be stretch, something that needed saved up for etc. But a car wasn't this laughably impossible dream for them, either.

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:02 (ten years ago) link

You're assuming they know how to use a computer or have internet access.

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:02 (ten years ago) link

also FYI music industry isn't really "working" very well btw

― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 8 October 2011 09:56 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

idk the big labels seems pretty flush despite all the reactionary whining

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:02 (ten years ago) link

Apple has a fairly comprehensive recycling program that probably doesn't involve children in southeast asia scraping capacitors off of motherboards into a bucket, but I might be wrong. That's a hell of a change.

― ( ) (mh), Friday, October 7, 2011 6:54 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

wait, how many people actually take advantage of this? and from what I understand apple subcontracts their recycling program out to an appraently pretty shitty third party who loves to shaft you.

dayo, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:04 (ten years ago) link

in terms of environmental friendliness/social justice w/r/t jobs, those only seem to come into play if they are a byproduct of excellence -- like they'll reduce materials usage, packaging, if it makes the product more elegant. subjecting workers to decent hours and benefits don't fall under this rubric. if he's willing to work first-worlders to the bone in the name of excellence... on the other hand, I don't think foxconn china gets beer bashes. (foxconn US workers get to attend, though!)

Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:04 (ten years ago) link

but a "every foxconn employee gets an iphone at cost" would be a good policy, imo, even if none of them would ever take foxconn up on it.

dayo, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:04 (ten years ago) link

idk the big labels seems pretty flush despite all the reactionary whining

lol you are insane

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:04 (ten years ago) link

i dont think stet is proposing that the foxconn workers actually buy an ipad, or whatever, i think he means that "can this worker afford the thing he or she is making" (just in, like, numerical terms) is a good way to think about it

max, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:05 (ten years ago) link

I'm going to stop shitting on the thread and get back to Jobs stuff, not computer/Apple industry..

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:05 (ten years ago) link

the article mentioned that foxconn workers make about 1100 CNY a month, which is not a lot, but it's not that much less than what college grads in china make fresh out of college, if we're speaking comparatively

dayo, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:07 (ten years ago) link

noah wylie really does look a LOT like yung jobs

max, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:07 (ten years ago) link

Final scene of the movie will be Scoble watching the very same movie on his iPhone7S or whatever, a tear down his cheek.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:07 (ten years ago) link

idk the big labels seems pretty flush despite all the reactionary whining

Total revenues for CDs, vinyl, cassettes and digital downloads in the world dropped 25% from $38.6 billion in 1999 to $27.5 billion in 2008 according to IFPI. Same revenues in the U.S. dropped from a high of $14.6 billion in 1999 to $10.4 billion in 2008. The Economist and The New York Times report that the downward trend is expected to continue for the foreseeable future[8][9] —Forrester Research predicts that by 2013, revenues in USA may reach as low as $9.2 billion.[8] This dramatic decline in revenue has caused large-scale layoffs inside the industry, driven retailers (such as Tower Records) out of business and forced record companies, record producers, studios, recording engineers and musicians to seek new business models.

and this is just the big 4. smaller labels, retail chains, and mid-level artists have all taken huge hits to their incomes. this is not "reactionary whining" it is a fact.

anyway, there's other threads for this.

xp

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:08 (ten years ago) link

thx for the knowledge, dayo

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:09 (ten years ago) link

re: free iphone,
it'd probably be more efficient to give every foxconn employee the difference between what they'd fetch from the secondary market as a bonus.

in that article about working at the apple cafeteria, was a little blown away by the 6-figure+ engineers buying exactly $12 worth of soda to extract full value of their meal plan -- total 3rd world behavior, or at least starving college student behavior.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:09 (ten years ago) link

I mean, maybe this is a totally acceptable set-up. I suppose there are Westerners who work in factories and could never afford to own the products they make, too, like say at Boeing or Rolls-Royce. It's just a feeling, is all.

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:09 (ten years ago) link

where was the cafeteria link?

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:10 (ten years ago) link

I kind of wonder how the music industry compares to 1990 instead of 2000, because even without the consideration of online distribution and piracy, things were looking incredibly unsustainable by 1999.

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:10 (ten years ago) link

like, I was considering taking an english teaching job in beijing, which would have paid about 4000 CNY a month. I think 4000 CNY is on the high end of starting salaries for fresh grads, unless you graduated from a top u. I think salaries of 1500-300 are more realistic for fresh grads? that is, if you can even find a job - china is graduating far more people than the job market can handle, is what I've been reading.

dayo, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:11 (ten years ago) link

total engineer behavior xxp

max, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:11 (ten years ago) link

in that article about working at the apple cafeteria, was a little blown away by the 6-figure+ engineers buying exactly $12 worth of soda to extract full value of their meal plan -- total 3rd world behavior, or at least starving college student behavior.

― Philip Nunez, Friday, October 7, 2011 4:09 PM (1 minute ago)

haha, you don't know many engineers, do you?

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:12 (ten years ago) link

xxxxp

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:12 (ten years ago) link

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsprd82GM61qk7pano1_500.png

max, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:12 (ten years ago) link

I know a foxconn engineer that was so paranoid about bringing me inside the campus, that he brought our mac burgers OUTSIDE the building to eat.

cafe expose:
www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/27/apple-cafeteria-caffe-macs_n_983053.html#s374554&title=Aaron_Lefkove_New

Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:13 (ten years ago) link

I'm a software developer and one of my coworkers admitted that he's had to force himself to stop counting the number of steps to the cafeteria and the number of stoplights on the way to work. He used to know all those numbers off the top of his head.

Engineers: you may not have aspergers symptoms, but you are sure a hell of a lot likely to

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:14 (ten years ago) link

So I guess Jobs's last public appearance was the Cupertino city council thing where he got approval for the new campus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtuz5OmOh_M

I suppose it works as a legacy.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:16 (ten years ago) link

thanks! xp

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:16 (ten years ago) link

I keep forgetting about Pixar as well, they've got a tribute up:

http://www.pixar.com/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:17 (ten years ago) link

and this is just the big 4. smaller labels, retail chains, and mid-level artists have all taken huge hits to their incomes. this is not "reactionary whining" it is a fact.

k, no worries

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:26 (ten years ago) link

I'm friends with the author of that op-ed piece, and his FBook status update is "Received my first sincere, legitimate death threat today."

per metal injection (Eazy), Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:06 (ten years ago) link

I keep forgetting about Pixar as well, they've got a tribute up:

http://www.pixar.com/

― Ned Raggett, Friday, October 7, 2011 7:17 PM

yo thanks for the heads up -- i hadn't seen that yet

markers, Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:16 (ten years ago) link

(sincerely hadn't seen that yet, surprisingly)

markers, Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:16 (ten years ago) link

love that picture too

markers, Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:16 (ten years ago) link

New Yorker readers trying to be funny in the comments section is soul-crushing

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 8 October 2011 04:09 (ten years ago) link

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een, Saturday, 8 October 2011 04:14 (ten years ago) link

Apple Talked to City's Police Days Before Steve Jobs's Death

Karen Gullo, ©2011 Bloomberg News

Oct. 7 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc. security officials met with police in Palo Alto, California, this week to notify them that Steve Jobs was close to death, a spokeswoman with the police department said.

Following the meeting, the police devised a plan to put patrols in the area around the former Apple chief executive officer's Palo Alto home once they heard from the company that he had died, according to Sandra Brown, the spokeswoman.

The Apple representatives told the police department there was "a possibility that it could happen this week," Brown said in a phone interview. "It's common sense for us to work together. If you think about who he was and his contribution to the world, people might come out in masses."

Jobs, who resigned as Apple's CEO on Aug. 24, died Oct. 5, the Cupertino, California-based company said. Jobs, 56, had been diagnosed in 2003 with a neuroendocrine tumor, a rare form of pancreatic cancer, and underwent a liver transplant in 2009. Apple unveiled the latest version of its iPhone, the product that accounts for almost half of the company's sales, on Oct. 4, the day before his death.

Steve Dowling, an Apple spokesman, declined to comment about the police meeting.

Jobs lived in a home that was modest, for a person of his means, on a public street open to pedestrians and traffic. The extra patrols were necessary for safety reasons, Brown said.

'"There are other people here in town, they have compounds and walls," said Brown. "He didn't want to have security around."

Apple was supposed to inform the police of Jobs's death before making a public announcement so the department could prepare, said Brown. Instead, police learned he had died when the company issued a press release at about 4:30 p.m. local time on Oct. 5.

As it turned out, Brown said, only about 40 people showed up around Jobs's home that day.

"Here's a guy who's a billionaire and lives in a regular neighborhood, not behind a gated estate with all the security guards," said Bruce Gee, a former Apple employee who drove up from his home a couple miles away. "On Halloween, people go trick or treating there like everyone else."

Mourners gathered at Apple stores around the world and took to the Internet and social media to express their grief.

At the San Francisco Apple store near Union Square, Steve Streza, 24, stood holding an iPad displaying Apple's homepage image of Jobs and the words "Steve Jobs: 1955-2011."

"Macs were the reason I got into product development," said Streza, a developer at readitlater.com who grew up with Mac computers. "If it weren't for Steve Jobs and Macs, my life would probably be in a completely different place right now."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/10/06/bloomberg_articlesLSOFTS6K50XX.DTL#ixzz1aC1QqKr2

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 8 October 2011 12:34 (ten years ago) link

This is great. A smelly 18-year-old Jobs gets a job at Atari, and nobody can bear to work with him, but they don't want to lose him either so they create a nightshift. He's the only one who works it: http://gamasutra.com/view/news/37762/Steve_Jobs_Atari_Employee_Number_40.php

stet, Saturday, 8 October 2011 19:55 (ten years ago) link

saw lots of candles, flowers, little shrines (with actual apples, photos of Jobs, etc), hundreds of handwritten notes, & lots of weepy looking people in front of the apple store on 14th St in Manhattan last night

people need to get a grip

geeta, Saturday, 8 October 2011 20:38 (ten years ago) link

people be lovin their ipads i guess.

weird as somehow who has been using apple products since 1983/84 (still have a photo of me opening the box to my 1st apple iie) i should be first in line, but i dunno the deification of this complex dude seems deeply suspect.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 8 October 2011 20:55 (ten years ago) link

deification of anyone is always suspect imo

Like Iraq (latebloomer), Sunday, 9 October 2011 02:16 (ten years ago) link

I tried to convince you all but no.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 9 October 2011 03:23 (ten years ago) link

Talkin' about you or Steve Jobs?

Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 9 October 2011 03:25 (ten years ago) link

Me of course. *self-genuflects*

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 9 October 2011 04:33 (ten years ago) link


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