PINK FLOYD

'the wall' is amazing. never got the haters

is there any reason for me to give Momentary Lapse and Division Bell another chance?

nah

"One Of My Turns." It's like a wholly new song. They should've send a poet.

I'm actually kinda curious about the animals one, back when I was a major floyd head I thought it sounded murky so I never took to it

'the wall' is amazing. never got the haters

I think Alex in NYC said it best, that it was a great album, but the desire to ever sit through listening to it in its entirety ever again is gone. Side Three with all those war songs…

But you know, maybe, if it indeed sounds so much better, I'd be inclined to give it another shot. Now that I think about it, one of the biggest complaints I had about The Wall was that you couldn't hear shit. Imagine listening to "Nobody's Home" on that double-cassette version they sold at Camelot Music, and you get the gist of what I'm saying.

Just remembered how the end of "Hey You" ends the same way sorta as "Dogs" ("We Fall, fall, fall, fall, fall…. Dragged down by the stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone…..")

I am a wall apologist but I already feel like enough of an old man, I don't need to sit around jamming 70s floyd albums

the horror!

Haha, OK, after the guitar solo in "Hey You," you can hear (Waters? Gilmour?) totally muff it at the end of one of those giant slides up the bass neck.

xp PP, it really does sound tremendously better. I've got headphones on in my office, so that certainly helps, but compared to the previous CD issue of this album, it's like the difference between an Edison cylinder and FLAC.

Like, did I ever know that "Gomer Pyle, USMC" was playing on TV in the background during the last verse of "Nobody's Home"? No, no I did not.

The thing about the Wall, and I'm generally one of the haters but am more and more willing to concede that there are great moments of music in there...it that there's something so childishly pretentious in it's angst and bombast. Stuff that sounded so intense and menacing to me as a kid sounds like bad musical theater to me, like the worst aspects of Tommy blown up. I found it funny while watching the Jimmy Fallon week, hearing Foo Fighters do In The Flesh, how awesome I thought it sounded, being played by a real live rock and roll band with real rock energy, and not the 1979 studio gloss.

Another thing that has always occurred to me, which I've never said in public, is how much better the avant garde of post-punk was at the same thing. When I think about 78/79 in music and I think about things like Unknown Pleasures, Chairs MIssing, Fear of Music...they all express the same dark alienation, but they're young and raw artists, not a bunch of seasoned out of touch studio musicians. There's certain chord progressions, like in Day of the Lords by Joy Division, which always makes me thing of the foreboding "intense" stuff on the wall, but it sounds so much more real. The playing effects me more. The lyrics are better.

I think the Wall could've used a lot of editing, a lot less Roger Waters and a lot more punk rock. Maybe if instead of performing it as a ROCK OPERA© Waters should put together a small rock band and tour it in clubs. It'd be more fitting than an entire arena crossing their arms in faux-fascist salute while not actually getting the message...like I did in 1987 at both the Radio KAOS tour and the Momentary Lapse of Reason tour (yes, I saw both, and I was 12 years old.

Dan otm.

I actually meant 154 more than Chairs Missing. If Wire, the band called "Punk Floyd" (because they were arty and on Harvest) recorded The Wall, the band responsible for A Touching Display and A Mutual Friend, I think we'd really have something.

one of my earliest music buying memories is making my grandma take 9 year old me to the mall to buy the wall at sam goody's when it came out, I had seen a tv advert for it with scarfe's animation and was freaked/fascinated

otm indeed. i think the first time i heard this heat i thought of the wall, but this heat actually nailed the vibe so much more effectively. some of that is just overexposure to the wall, but still...

Like, did I ever know that "Gomer Pyle, USMC" was playing on TV in the background during the last verse of "Nobody's Home"? No, no I did not.

man, how could you not have heard this before? surprise surprise suprise

Maybe if instead of performing it as a ROCK OPERA© Waters should put together a small rock band and tour it in clubs.

I'd totally go and see that but for Waters the theatrical aspect has always been a key part of the whole live thing. I never saw The Wall shows (nor did I see his recent revival of it) but by all accounts it was one of the most amazing live shows evah.

See, in 78/79, I was a 9 year old kid stationed with my family on an Army base in Germany, and I just didn't have any exposure to the punk and postpunk that was happening at the time. The most cutting-edge music I heard on a regular basis was when New Wave bands made their way onto "American Top 40." I never heard Joy Division until I was in college! But I heard Floyd all the time, so the album has a lot of personal meaning for me.

none of the bombast bothers me. that's sort of the point. i think wire (on harvest records!) and the others were inspired by floyd, not in competition. if they sound fresher to you, that's nice

one of my earliest music buying memories is making my grandma take 9 year old me to the mall to buy the wall at sam goody's when it came out

lol. I was off sick from school one day and my mum went to the shops. I told her to buy me a copy of The Wall. When she brought it home I showed her the inner gatefold and she was like shocked.

I didn't say it was a competition. I would acknowledge that they're all inspired by earlier Floyd, but I'd reckon they probably didn't take the Wall very seriously at the time either.

Me and this other kid on the schoolbus would have each other rolling in the aisle, just by saying "Here comes the judge!" and showing a picture of buttface from The Wall gatefold.

one weird thing about the wall - for an overblown prog concept album, its songs are pretty short. most are < 4 minutes long.

True, but they also don't work as standalone songs.

I think "Mother" & "Comfortably Numb" work well on their own. I can play the album pretty happily up until "Young Lust" when I get filled with rage, like Pink, & want to destroy the album.

also

PINK FLOYD RULES

\m/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XAcQZgzSaM

Holy crap! The Dark Side reissue sound amazing! Just listened to it through the stereo and then on headphones. So damn good.

I'm actually kinda curious about the animals one, back when I was a major floyd head I thought it sounded murky so I never took to it

The Animals reissue in particular is astonishing. I always felt the same way about it before (though I loved the record in spite of the murk), but it sounds so much crisper now, it's almost a different album entirely. Floored.

Fat Old Sun RULES

otm.

you guys are making me want to go out RIGHT NOW to get some of these remasters.

Yeah this is not good, because up until this point I've steadfastly refused to re-buy all the remasters I bought last time 'round.

I haven't bought anything since Shine On except for that awesome special Piper a few years ago. These make the Shine On versions sound like I've been listening through a tin can. Gonna be hard not to grab more of these suckers.

I would love to pick up all the remasters but can't help but feel that several will be released with a bonus disc within the next year; in addition to Dark Side, Wall and Wish...

yeah that's why i'm kinda holding out. trying to hold out anyway.

Well, if anything, I know what to put on a Christmas list that people can get at just about any record store.

As opposed for asking for say, Ufomammut or Uncle Acid...

^^^

People are always asking me what to get me for gifts and I really struggle because there isn't a whole lot on my wish list that will be easy for people to track down. This year, though, I'm asking for that Miles Davis Live in Europe thing.

Word on the street is that there are more "immersion" and "experience" sets due next year. So I'd say, either hold off on the single-disc remasters, or be prepared to be pissed when you re-buy them in expanded form.

("word on the street" = guy I was talking to in a record store last night)

I know some peeps working the PF catalogue and I'm told at the moment they are still working on how to package and release the earlier records, I think the success of the Immersion sets will dictate how they follow on, if they don't put out the mono Saucerful I will be pissed.

definitely big Wish, Wall and maybe Animals sets coming. it will all depend on sales if they do others afterwards.

just ordered the 'dark side' vinyl remaster. intend to get deeply couchlocked when it arrives. pink floyd rules

They could - and should! - do a massive Barrett Era boxset. The first two albums combined with the singles (A + B-sides), Vegetable Man, Scream Thy Last Scream, an abundance of live material, demo's, etc. Although I very much want a Meddle and an Animals boxset too, at least give us this. That would rule, even more then they already do.

Soundtrack box sounds good too. More, Obscured and everything in between (Zabriskie (including sessions), the Committee, the 1969 moon landing session, etc.)

In fact, I just want all of these songs, somehow, somewhere: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unreleased_Pink_Floyd_songs

Capiche?

Problem is, if the current "immersion" sets are anything to go by, the emphasis on future boxes will be 5.1 surround yadda yadda rather than previously-unreleased stuff. For instance, out of the 10-12 discs that make up the combined DSOTM and WYWH immersion sets, there are a total of TWO songs from the unreleased "Household Objects" project.

Yeah, my fear exactly.

I was very excited when I heard about the project, but up til now it has been very disappointing.

I hope that every album at least gets a release with bonus-disc, as that will more focus on live material and unreleased tracks/versions than an uber audio surround super mix experience.

my early floyd playlist:

Arnold Layne
Candy and Currant Bun
See Emily Play
Apples and Oranges
Sunshine

Piper

Paintbox
Stoned Alone
Reaction in G
Vegetable man
Scream They Last Scream

What immersion set gets Point Me At the Sky?

TOTAL ECLIPSE.

/rimshot

Am I the only one who stans for the Divsion Bell? It probably helps that it was my first Floyd album; I didn't have to compare it to any earlier Floyd. But I still love half of that album today.

I'll freely admit I've never heard a note of it.

I like Division Bell better than Momentary Lapse and Final Cut. I feel that in every song they try to create the feel of some of their past albums. There is a Meddle song in there, a Wish one, etc. It also lays focus on the beauty of Gilmour's voice, so often obscured in the past by Waters gnarl. Overall the album is pleasantly boring - just as Gilmour's latest solo release -, while the last song is a true Pink Floyd classic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqvcmud3LFQ

^ God, I love that song. When my 15 year old self heard that song, I spend many hours trying to figure out "what it meant" - one of my first obsessed-over songs.