stevewoz Steve Wozniak Keeping family dinner despite the disturbing news. (@ Outback Steakhouse) 4sq.com/pLzZCU11 hours ago
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:07 (twelve years ago) link
never change woz
― max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:11 (twelve years ago) link
Guess who?
― You people are supposed to be some kind of music culture intelligentsi (Phil D.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:31 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.folklore.org/ProjectView.py?project=Macintosh&characters=Steve%20Jobs&detail=medium
The Folklore site, a creation of one of the members of the original Macintosh team, is a great window into how Jobs and his team interacted back in the early 80s. Software development was a different beast back then, and the team coupled those developers with hardware developers in a way that doesn't necessarily happen these days.
One of my faves:http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Pineapple_Pizza.txt&characters=Steve%20Jobs&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&detail=medium
Jobs challenges his team to work until they have the first circuit board up and running, and takes them all for pizza.
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
ha i read one on that site before abt how s jobs thought the way the wiring was done inside one of their early computers was aesthetically unpleasing and the engineers were all but no one can see it and he was like but i know its there redo it
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
He was always a super-secretive guy, but I found it curious that this article (from last August) notes that there is no public record of any charitable giving on Jobs' part:
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/the-mystery-of-steve-jobss-public-giving/
What's more, the article notes that when he returned to Apple in 1997, he ended the company's philanthropic programs and never restored them:
Mr. Jobs’s views on charity are unclear since he rarely talks about it. But in 1997, when Mr. Jobs returned to Apple, he closed the company’s philanthropic programs. At the time, he said he wanted to restore the company’s profitability. Despite the company’s $14 billion in profits last year and its $76 billion cash pile today, the giving programs have never been reinstated.
I'd be interested to learn if he's been secretly up to charitable stuff, but apparently Apple has long been considered one of America's least philanthropic companies.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:49 (twelve years ago) link
Jobs had some random bizarro ideas about money and business and especially charity!
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:51 (twelve years ago) link
my only comment here is that ppl were putting flowers on the sidewalk outside of the Boylston St Apple store last night and I really don't understand doing that, like not even a little bit
RIP Steve Jobs, you were a scary smart dude
― the tax avocado (DJP), Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:55 (twelve years ago) link
im totally not trying to defend this morally at all but as way of explanation cutting philanthropic giving from apple was v much in line w/jobs' larger approach at the company which was that he cut almost everything, honing the company down to just a few core things they focused intensely on, giving just wasnt you know an ipod
curious to hear who he left his fortune to tho
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link
On another note, the blog post from the Gizmodo guy, Brian Lam, really reveals how Jobs felt about relating to people in business and as people. The story I got out of it was that Lam thought it was a big enough story to leak the iPhone 4 crap that it was worth sacrificing the cachet his site had with Steve fucking Jobs to get a bunch of hits the one time. The fact that Jobs had the note written acknowledging ownership of the phone rather than going down a legal route was pretty much Jobs writing the guy off.
Still seems like an idiot move.
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:58 (twelve years ago) link
well, uh, it was a "big enough" story
― max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:02 (twelve years ago) link
it was a huge story--basically the biggest story a gadget blog could possibly have--and its not like steve jobs was... giving them tons of exclusive interviews or anything. the "cachet" was basically that once he told brian that he liked the site.
― max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:03 (twelve years ago) link
stupidest fucking thing, tho "I knew I could tell Steve Jobs what to do so I was going to". He already had the scoop and the story. This was just him going "cry uncle, bitch".
― stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
see like, if this was about finding out what next year's beanie baby was going to look like, i'm sure we'd all agree it was stupid. but because it is about A MAGICAL DEVICE THAT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE we agree that it's news.
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
yeh, the scoop *was* news. Pushing for a "Apple CONFIRMS that our IPHONE 4 IS APPLE'S" headline was just k-lame.
― stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:11 (twelve years ago) link
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:48 (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
haha yeah that is a good one. bet he paints behind his radiators too.
― caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
Woz: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/wozniak-remembers-steve-jobs/2011/10/06/gIQAAINvPL_video.html
― stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
Well, if he wrote for a blog about beanie babies and made his living writing about beanie babies, it'd be a big deal.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
more a strategic error than lame imo, but as lam says, the follow up they did was pretty shameful.
― caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:13 (twelve years ago) link
Funny how Lam would come out with a story like that only now that Jobs is no longer around to dispute it.
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:13 (twelve years ago) link
Awesome lucid posting by lamp / amateurist and the computer historians. It's difficult to make fun of those acting like a friend just died because the grieving seems real but the whole phenomenon is a bit scary IMHO.
― wolves lacan, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:15 (twelve years ago) link
I've posted it elsewhere, but my computing history was basically "wanting a Mac -> using PCs during the dead period of the 90s -> lusting after a used NeXT system -> buying a Mac" and it pretty much coincides with Steve Jobs' tenure with the company.
Can you imagine what Pixar would be like if someone else had bought George Lucas's computer graphics division?
― ( ) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
Or, god forbid, it stayed a Lucas property.
― ( ) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:22 (twelve years ago) link
remember whiney's thread a few weeks ago where ebbybody got butthurt about Horkheimer/Adorno and whether they thought referencing Marxist theory was pretentious frontin or not? Well, I kinda wish TA were around right now to say some profound shit about the commodification of mass production, and the anointed son cult of personality around Jobs.
― remy bean, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:49 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark
was gonna post about this too. apple is pretty much the only major company in the u.s. with no charitable giving. and the big deal isn't that he ended the philanthropic programs to cut corners, it's that he never restored them even once the company became one of the most profitable companies in the world.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
And I think people who make fun of NeXT computers often don't understand the workstation market, that it existed, and that it was dying.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:59 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
who made fun of next? i kill them.
those machines are literally the reason i have the job i have today.
― caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
― stet, Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:06 AM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
well, right, the whole essay is about how kindly SJ treated him even though he was--as he admits several times--an enormous dick
― max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
some of my fondest academic memories from college involve working on graphics projects with my roommate in a lab full of NeXT workstations
― the tax avocado (DJP), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
― James Mitchell, Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:13 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah, its funny that lam would write an essay about what a nice guy steve jobs is when steve jobs isnt around to say "im actually an asshole"
― max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
i think, at least since Princess Diana, there has been a trend towards a histrionic public grieving of celebrities. I don't know what it means but it does seem significant of something. im actually tempted to connect it to Julian Jaynes type theories about the gods really just being dead chiefs/leaders, except that now these are tabloid celebrities or face behind our mass consumption.
― ryan, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.achievement.org/newsletter/audio/jobs-aud.mov Jobs in 82.
― stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
IS there really a huge groundswell of grieving here, though? I mean I've seen a few bunches of flowers about the place, but we're not talking Diana or Jacko or something here.
― stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
Was wondering about that on the way into work. I can see Lasseter now, just a behind the scenes man on some of the DVDs talking about the great challenge it was working on Jar Jar Binks.
i think, at least since Princess Diana, there has been a trend towards a histrionic public grieving of celebrities.
Poor Elvis, nobody cared.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
for my own part im a little sad because Jobs was too young and obviously brilliant, and cancer sucks. I have no illusions about his or Apple's role as a corporation seeking profit (nor my own complicity in that and the likely suffering those systems cause).
― ryan, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
i wasnt around for Elvis! point taken though.
i mean, i guess we could go back to Valentino if we really wanted to.
― ryan, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
Jim Morrison, maybe?
― You people are supposed to be some kind of music culture intelligentsi (Phil D.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:46 (twelve years ago) link
Look I just wrote a poem about this : D
Step forward: we hearThat you are a good man.You cannot be bought, but the lightningWhich strikes the house, alsoCannot be bought.You hold to what you said.But what did you say?You are honest, you say your opinion.Which opinion?You are brave.Against whom?You are wise.For whom?You do not consider your personal advantages.Whose advantages do you consider then?You are a good friend.Are you also a good friend of the good people?Hear us then: we know.You are our enemy. This is why we shallNow put you in front of a wall. But in considerationof your merits and good qualitiesWe shall put you in front of a good wall and shoot youWith a good bullet from a good gun and bury youWith a good shovel in the good earth.
― wolves lacan, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
Don't think he would've wanted anything more tbh
― (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
So does this mean that the iPhone5 will shoot to the number one position?
― Mark G, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
I lol'ed in spite of myself.
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/eternal_flame.gif
― You people are supposed to be some kind of music culture intelligentsi (Phil D.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link
what a weird comic. is that a reference to some movie i don't know? is that what the new cupertino campus is going to look like?
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
Wonder if the NeXT Cube I bought for 20 bucks is going up in value.
― errant flynn, Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
It's labelled "Eternal Flame" on the XKCD site xp
― You people are supposed to be some kind of music culture intelligentsi (Phil D.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
cf http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/JFK_grave.jpg
― You people are supposed to be some kind of music culture intelligentsi (Phil D.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link
ugh comparing jobs to kennedy makes me feel ill
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
Local Apple Store has their the lights, as if they're trying to create some weird chapel-of-remembrance atmosphere in there.
At work today I have had about ten times the usual number of requests for new iMacs & MacBooks :S
― master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
has dimmed their lights
― master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
i would think they'd take the day off at the apple store
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
Whoa whoa whoa there's money to be made here.
― You people are supposed to be some kind of music culture intelligentsi (Phil D.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link