it's not like he released NEVERMIND twenty years ago
― omar little, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:35 (twelve years ago) link
he made the world small and portable
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:36 (twelve years ago) link
Yikes. apple.com is eery right now.
Was he present at the announcement of 4S and iOS5 yesterday? I thought he gave the presentation....if only there were a high-tech device that connected to an information network so I could find out....
― Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:36 (twelve years ago) link
I just wrote a bunch of shit then lost it because Safari's been acting weird since Lion. OH SHIT STEVE JOBS SUCKS. AND HE HATE THE UNIONS.
I don't give a fuck. Steve Jobs absolutely changed the world for the better. I live my life on, with and through technologies he is responsible for. No, he didn't insert the CPU into my motherboard personally and yes he stole the mouse (and UI) from Xerox Parc. You know what it was doing there? It was sitting on a computer that cost 9,000 dollars that nobody was ever going to buy, or even see, and if you did play with it, it didn't quite work right. He said "this is how computing is going to go" and he made it happen. What technologies he didn't invent, he borrowed, stole, bought, licensed or simply fostered the environment that allowed them to exist. Or he was the one with the balls to kill it off. All that is significant.
I learned how to type on an Apple IIe when the only other computer in my school was a Commodore Pet. I played with a Lisa in the electronics dept of Bambergers, then used MacPaint on the first Mac. It wasn't a Quantel Paintbox, but that's the point. I work and live in an industry that wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the choices he made and pushed with the Macintosh. He made all these decisions, and every one is laughed at and second-guessed, then everyone plays catch up, and goes ahead to doubt and second-guess his next choice, and he's right again, then everyone pretends it was always that way. Do you remove all the decisions he made from the industry, from technology, and assume things would have been changed for the better anyway? The technology was there and would still be here, it would just suck much more.
I'm sure he was an asshole and I know he did a lot of fucked up things in his life. But he also managed to change shit majorly.
And bullshit on anyone who thinks people who feel like I do feel so because we're 20-something sheep. I've felt this way since the fucking mac was invented and I was 10 years old.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:36 (twelve years ago) link
one man's better is another man's worse
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:37 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/5kjVw.jpg
― StanM, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:38 (twelve years ago) link
As I somewhat unpoetically said elsewhere:
A man who felt selling a bread slicer that wouldn't cut off your thumbs was a worthy proposition.
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:38 (twelve years ago) link
Was he present at the announcement of 4S and iOS5 yesterday?
Je55e you will love this: http://www.cultofmac.com/121223/steve-jobs-and-the-reserved-seat/
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:39 (twelve years ago) link
nice post, dan
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:40 (twelve years ago) link
http://boingboing.net/
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:43 (twelve years ago) link
neven mrgan: http://mrgan.tumblr.com/post/11090229578/steve
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:46 (twelve years ago) link
From Ihnatko's obit:
I think of the stories. Yes, the funny ones (grifting Woz out of his fair share of the fee Atari paid for creating the electronics for the “Breakout” game, parking in handicapped spots) but those are overcrowded by the stories I’ve heard about him from Apple employees who’ve worked with him directly.
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:47 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.boingboing.net
ah, i know what wordpress theme they're using
just changed my site to that theme (i can't be bothered to resize images etc - will do that some other time)
http://www.theoriginalsoundtrack.com
― geeta, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:47 (twelve years ago) link
cool!
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:49 (twelve years ago) link
it's a neat theme
neven's tumblr post is worth reading btw
http://news.ycombinator.com/
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:51 (twelve years ago) link
to emphasize jobs' innovation and brilliance, and to de-emphasize his more indefensible business practices, serves - unwittingly - to justify what was done. the point is not that we must, in reflecting on the life of the deceased, condemn him in absentia. it is too late for that; it would be a useless scholarly exercise in morality. but the easy acceptance of moral failures and human consequence as a deplorable but necessary price to pay for progress is just as noxious
(not equating jobs w/ columbus, lol)
― k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:53 (twelve years ago) link
whoa electronics manufacturer uses questionable labor themoreyouknow.jpg
― guh (jjjusten), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:55 (twelve years ago) link
gotta do what you gotta do right
― k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:56 (twelve years ago) link
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/1144949_e32682edd3_b.jpg
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:57 (twelve years ago) link
agghh
― geeta, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:57 (twelve years ago) link
heres a fun game:
1. pick up your closest piece of technology2. see where it is made3. hmmmmmmm
― guh (jjjusten), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:58 (twelve years ago) link
I have a locally grown organic smartphone
― iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:59 (twelve years ago) link
irl lol
― the men who stare at gotye (electricsound), Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:01 (twelve years ago) link
like i get where people are at with this and whatever but a better place for railing against terrible labor practices would be a "company CEOS that made everything i own in my house RIP" thread
― guh (jjjusten), Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:02 (twelve years ago) link
tell you what when Fjordsnor Ikea dies there will be HELL TO PAY
― guh (jjjusten), Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:03 (twelve years ago) link
he died three days after he was taken out the store
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:04 (twelve years ago) link
short walt mossberg video at the end of this: http://allthingsd.com/20111005/the-steve-jobs-i-knew/
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:06 (twelve years ago) link
merlin mann has a little tribute page up: http://www.43folders.com/index.html
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:11 (twelve years ago) link
Damn. Says a lot about how much of the world he changed that BBC obit didn't even get round to mentioning Pixar, the company that swallowed Disney.
― stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:13 (twelve years ago) link
eric schmidt: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/10/05/eric-schmidt-on-steve-jobs’s-death/
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:14 (twelve years ago) link
panic: http://www.panic.com/
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:23 (twelve years ago) link
like i get where people are at with this and whatever but a better place for railing against terrible labor practices would be a "company CEOS that made everything i own in my house RIP" thread― guh (jjjusten), Thursday, October 6, 2011 1:02 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
i don't get how people decide this line of discussion is inappropriate here but appropriate there. as i said upthread, can't we acknowledge the guy's legacy with all its contradictions?
i like using my mac, just as i buy stuff from amazon -- and both corporations have some really dubious business practices that help to explain their huge market share and profits. i guess that makes me a hypocrite, but i do think it's important to acknowledge the way we are all implicated -- steve jobs way more than the rest of us -- in a globalized system by which we benefit from the exploited labor of others. indeed we are very likely both exploited ourselves and contributing to enterprises that exploit others.
i just find it helpful to recall this since the usual apple-related discourse is so heavy on themes of transcendent fusion between man and machine, sleek design, productivity, yadda yadda. i think PrincessTamTam has been impolitic in this thread but s/he is not altogether wrong when s/he writes, "he disguised market relations as social relations and made dumb 20-somethings think that the role of seller/consumer is some kind of intimate social bond as long as the company has commercials that appeal to their generic liberalism. this is why a bunch of people are acting like when some CEO billionaire who sold them a product died it was like they lost a personal friend."
that's not all that's at play. certainly some admire specific things jobs and the teams he assembled contributed to computing. but apple's appeal went far beyond this, and part of this is because of the company's ability to use marketing to obfuscate the relations underlying its increasing market position etc.
/marxism
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:23 (twelve years ago) link
steven frank: http://stevenf.tumblr.com/post/11092230457/steve-jobs
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:27 (twelve years ago) link
zeldman: http://www.zeldman.com/2011/10/05/9086/
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:30 (twelve years ago) link
(just an apple logo, btw)
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:31 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rwsuXHA7RA
lord
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:33 (twelve years ago) link
but i do think it's important to acknowledge the way we are all implicated -- steve jobs way more than the rest of us
Yeh acknowledge, not hammer to a pulp.
Also: Steve insisted NeXT build its computers in the US, and invented a factory to do so. It was so expensive it nearly killed NeXT. When back at Apple he wasn't going to make the same mistake, and hence hired Tim Cook.
― stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:41 (twelve years ago) link
btw this is v good if it is actually substantive:
http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/04/apple-intel-cease-conflict-minerals/
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:45 (twelve years ago) link
trent reznor: http://twitter.com/#!/trent_reznor/status/121788588986859521
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:58 (twelve years ago) link
― kinder, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:04 (twelve years ago) link
tamtam makes a reasonable point about how it's strange a lot of people think like they know him but for me at least that's mostly due to the keynotes. e.g. i'm not sure i've ever seen bill gates speak for more than a couple of sentences. i think i followed pretty much every keynote from his return to apple until a couple of years ago.
also here's 81 anecdotes about steve jobs from the mac launch era http://www.folklore.org/ProjectView.py?project=Macintosh&characters=Steve%20Jobs&detail=medium. great site.
― caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:06 (twelve years ago) link
I believe that Pixar DVD cases are made in China tho, and its films are advertised. XP
― stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:07 (twelve years ago) link
also nextstep was amazing and completely insane and at least half the the reason all of your OS X macs are so pleasant to use.
still lols at nextcube
― caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:09 (twelve years ago) link
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/10/06/these-photos-will-make-you-smile-steve-jobs-testing-photobooth/
― stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:21 (twelve years ago) link
Not long before Steve Jobs’ second coming to Apple in 1996 he was giving a talk to The Stanford Graduate School of Business’ High Tech Club at the home of a student. For three hours he sat in the lotus position on the floor in front of the living-room fireplace answering questions good-naturedly. Afterwards, the host, a young MBA candidate named Steve Jurvetson, asked the legendary figure to autograph his Macintosh keyboard which had already been signed by Apple cofounder Steve Woznyak.Steve Jobs said he’d do it, but only if first he could remove all the unnecessary keys that his successors had added in a foolish effort to make the Mac more like a Microsoft-Intel PC. He despised the long row of so-called function keys (like “F1”) and the cluster of navigational arrow keys which were clunky alternatives to the more intuitive process of using a mouse to explore menus and icons. So Jobs pulled his car keys out of his pocket and began scooping into the computer keyboard, violently disgorging all the keys that offended him. “I’m changing the world one keyboard at a time”, he said with a straight face. Only then when he had mutilated the apparatus, did he take a pen and scribble his autograph on it.
(just as a side note - here's that very keyboard - http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/841771/ - Jurvetson's photos are nearly always interesting)
― Ned Trifle X, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:22 (twelve years ago) link
i heard that if hitler were alive today he would use some apple products
― at-zing-two-boards (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:23 (twelve years ago) link
Kinda nice:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6162/6216694440_0937aa3c97_b.jpg
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:35 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that is nice
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:35 (twelve years ago) link