Steve Jobs RIP 1955-2011

he had a direct impact on millions of poor people he didn't help with his lack of giving money away

Notice I said "generally" guys, but good job digging up old threads.

just out of curiosity, do y'all shit on henry ford too while riding to work?

(edit for the mass transit minded: do y'all shit on george stephenson while riding to work?)

I see a bunch of american presidents every time I turn my trouser pocket inside out

I've had American presidents in my pocket for two weeks of my whole life fwiw

henry ford created death machines, was a nazi

Steve Jobs: not a nazi!

qed

Steve Jobs is loved by fiscal conservatives

I think there is good evidence that steve jobs is not a nazi, otoh the cult of apple is probably comparable to early stages of nazi era germany

Occupy Steve Jobs

hank ford was pretty philanthropic though

John, the thing is, "You knew it was a snake when you picked it up," isn't the point. We expect people to be assholes in RIP threads, but that doesn't excuse them or make it less appropriate to point out that they are being assholes.

being sad that this greedy megalomaniac died is what makes you an asshole imo

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fuck yeah IPHONE ADS

this changed my world for the better

"Burt Miller, 56, was on his way to a San Francisco Apple store to pick up some replacement parts when his wife called to tell him that Mr. Jobs had died. He said he was crushed. Mr. Miller, who works in construction, said he had followed the presentation of the new iPhone the day before and was convinced that Mr. Jobs had too. “I think he saw it and knew Apple was going to make it and he let go.”

Matt Richtel and Somini Sengupta contributed reporting."

steve jobs didn't invent shit, wozniak did all of the tech

maybe steve jobs invented the job title "UI designer"

I'm not *sad* but I'm not celebrating, either. I mean for Christ's sake, I thought it was disgusting when people were cheering when Osama Bin Laden was killed.

xp to Lamp

even he gave to charity, tho

Granted, hating on Steve Jobs isn't quite on par with Alfred's classic shittiness on Bimble's thread, but still, it's pretty self-centered and self-important to think that your voice of dissent - in the form of repeating glaringly obvious fault of the deceased - must be heard when the corpse is hardly even cold yet. Death and cancer fucking suck, no matter who is dead. All I am pushing for is that people have a little class for a really short time and STFU in honor of a dead human being.

what is this ethical principle that states that if you are obscenely rich you are obliged to memorialize yourself through grandiose displays of largesse?

yeah this thread would be really interesting if it was a bunch of people reposting "RIP" xp

fuck yeah IPHONE ADS

this changed my world for the better

― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:52 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not the point I was making

Actually, the traditional standard for many centuries was to distribute one's largesse quietly, with as little display as possible. Anonymously was always a good approach.

if I ever become obscenely wealthy I will discharge my fortune by anonymously erecting massive steel monoliths all across america

that's basically what steve jobs did, he just put an apple logo on em

lol look at who's in this picture: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/10/05/technology/20111006_JOBS_READER-18.html

I haven't kept track, but I don't think it's necessarily the same people shitting on a RIP thread, but there is always someone who will be that way. Even when my dad died, my asshole sister-in-law had to "just be honest for a minute" and remember his temper and his bossiness and other negative traits. She was telling the truth - and not even a harsh or complete version of the truth - but that wasn't the time for it. But on the internet, people go in full throttle with accurate recollections of the bad parts of the dead, and it's no less of a NAGL here.

the difference is your dad was your dad, and steve jobs is a dude none of us knows who was a public figure

xxpost XD

steve jobs is really the father to us all, think about it

Je55e otm. Also, most people itt are certainly not emotional about this guy's death, so running into the thread and screaming "YOU'RE ALL ARSEHOLES FOR CARING" is dickishly missing the point.

i just found out about this, numb

steve jobs was the drummer for gay dad

not trying to shit on anyone and it sucks that he died so young, but i guess i'm surprised at the outpouring?

also fuck u, jesse's sister-in-law

All arguments about "so what, someone you didn't know died" are perfectly rational, whether you're talking Lady Di or Steve Jobs (and I agree in general - cancer sucks but Steve Jobs dying doesn't make me feel anything) - but that's never going to change the way someone affected is going to feel, so it's kind of a dumb argument to get into. Let the people who do care do so in peace. Mourning death is better than celebrating death, at least.

Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs laid into teachers unions Friday at a Texas education reform conference, an Austin, Texas, newspaper reported, saying they're "what's wrong with our schools."

Teachers unions have traditionally represented one of Apple's most loyal group of customers and have largely stuck with the company since the days of the Apple IIe.

Unionization, said Jobs in reports filed by both the Associated Press and the Austin American-Statesman, was "off-the-charts crazy."

During a joint appearance with Michael Dell that was sponsored by the Texas Public Education Reform Foundation, Jobs took on the unions by first comparing schools to small businesses, and school principals to CEOs. He then asked rhetorically: "What kind of person could you get to run a small business if you told them that when they came in, they couldn't get rid of people that they thought weren't any good? Not really great ones, because if you're really smart, you go, 'I can't win.' "

He went on to say that "what is wrong with our schools in this nation is that they have become unionized in the worst possible way. This unionization and lifetime employment of K-12 teachers is off-the-charts crazy."

Jobs took on the unions by first comparing schools to small businesses, and school principals to CEOs.

This applies to private schools, certainly

steve jobs turned apple around by turning liberal humanism into a huge marketing gimmick and selling it to hipster college students. he disguised market relations as social relations and made dumb 20-somethings think that the role of seller/consumer is some kind of intimate social bond as long as the company has commercials that appeal to their generic liberalism. this is why a bunch of people are acting like when some CEO billionaire who sold them a product died it was like they lost a personal friend

^ masterpiece

andy ihnatko: http://www.suntimes.com/8057908-417/rip-steve-jobs-a-man-who-truly-changed-the-world.html

the difference is your dad was your dad, and steve jobs is a dude none of us knows who was a public figure

― k3vin k., Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:11 AM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark

I recognize that, and to be honest, I'm commenting on the larger phenomenon of people's habit of piping up with criticism of the dead all over ILX and elsewhere. I mean, when Amy Winehouse died, a couple of relatively "normal" friends said some heinous and petty stuff about her, and she certainly could never rise to the level nastiness of Steve Jobs (one friend justified his statement by saying that people should be sad about the bombing in Norway, not some drug addict's death). But that is not to say I'm not annoyed at that phenomenon ITT.

It comes down to wondering what people get out of announcing their disdain for a recently dead person, especially when others admire that person. And pulling out further, I guess I'm pondering the nature of trolling.

this is why a bunch of people are acting like when some CEO billionaire who sold them a product died it was like they lost a personal friend

I am ready to unfollow a laod of people on Twitter for doing p much exactly that AND buying black skivvies in his honour

don't do anything rash!

i'd guess they get at least as much out of it as someone who dutifully posts "RIP" - i don't necessarily have to agree with what the detractors say to not have a problem with them injecting some opposing viewpoints into the discussion, provided they're somewhat thoughtful. i don't see why those reactions are any less valid than anyone else's xxp

idk i think this dude was a terrible person who made the world a much worse place and 'the reaction' to his death is p off-putting to me, which i guess compels its own unpalatable counterreaction, not sure which response is the most 'legitimate'

n.e.way tamtam otm

I would actually like to see a spirited debate on whether Steve Jobs made the world better or if he made the world worse

he made the world easier to navigate

i'm certainly not glad this dude is dead and he was certainly some kind of genius but he was mostly good at making people feel good about buying his company's products and making people feel wrong about buying other products and turning apple cultists into an oprah's favorite things audience whenever a gadget appeared on the marketplace, but the worship of this particular man and his company was always a little weird to me.