saying its good is different from saying im glad
if people get to talk about what a great man he was, then i get to call him an asshole (and i backed it up more than the Great Man crowd)
Because people generally start RIP threads because they were affected by the subject for one reason or another. I mean, I get it being a public forum etc etc blah blah but I don't ever think its agl to shit on someone in a RIP thread and I'd never do it myself.
Robert McNamara - RIP
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:47 (twelve years ago) link
xp - John, this really feels like old-school "I don't get this obvious thing" jaymc stuff.
You're right, I truly don't get how people can be so affected by a celebrity's death that snark and criticism and contrarian views are in any way bothersome. But people have said that they are indeed affected like that, so I'll drop it.
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:47 (twelve years ago) link
I mean fuck it, you can walk from one end of a street to the other and see 0 American presidents, 0 liberated countries, 0 cured diseases and 600 iphone ads xxp
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:48 (twelve years ago) link
he had a direct impact on millions of poor people he didn't help with his lack of giving money away
― iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:48 (twelve years ago) link
Notice I said "generally" guys, but good job digging up old threads.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:48 (twelve years ago) link
just out of curiosity, do y'all shit on henry ford too while riding to work?
(edit for the mass transit minded: do y'all shit on george stephenson while riding to work?)
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:48 (twelve years ago) link
I see a bunch of american presidents every time I turn my trouser pocket inside out
― i'm not trolling btw (admrl), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:48 (twelve years ago) link
I've had American presidents in my pocket for two weeks of my whole life fwiw
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:49 (twelve years ago) link
henry ford created death machines, was a nazi
― iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:49 (twelve years ago) link
Steve Jobs: not a nazi!
― (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:50 (twelve years ago) link
qed
Steve Jobs is loved by fiscal conservatives
― i'm not trolling btw (admrl), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:50 (twelve years ago) link
I think there is good evidence that steve jobs is not a nazi, otoh the cult of apple is probably comparable to early stages of nazi era germany
― iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
Occupy Steve Jobs
― i'm not trolling btw (admrl), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
hank ford was pretty philanthropic though
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
John, the thing is, "You knew it was a snake when you picked it up," isn't the point. We expect people to be assholes in RIP threads, but that doesn't excuse them or make it less appropriate to point out that they are being assholes.
being sad that this greedy megalomaniac died is what makes you an asshole imo
― my other display name is my facebook status (Lamp), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
Sent from my iPhone
― my other display name is my facebook status (Lamp)
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
fuck yeah IPHONE ADS
this changed my world for the better
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
"Burt Miller, 56, was on his way to a San Francisco Apple store to pick up some replacement parts when his wife called to tell him that Mr. Jobs had died. He said he was crushed. Mr. Miller, who works in construction, said he had followed the presentation of the new iPhone the day before and was convinced that Mr. Jobs had too. “I think he saw it and knew Apple was going to make it and he let go.”
Matt Richtel and Somini Sengupta contributed reporting."
― iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:54 (twelve years ago) link
steve jobs didn't invent shit, wozniak did all of the tech
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
maybe steve jobs invented the job title "UI designer"
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:57 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not *sad* but I'm not celebrating, either. I mean for Christ's sake, I thought it was disgusting when people were cheering when Osama Bin Laden was killed.
xp to Lamp
― Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:57 (twelve years ago) link
even he gave to charity, tho
― iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
Granted, hating on Steve Jobs isn't quite on par with Alfred's classic shittiness on Bimble's thread, but still, it's pretty self-centered and self-important to think that your voice of dissent - in the form of repeating glaringly obvious fault of the deceased - must be heard when the corpse is hardly even cold yet. Death and cancer fucking suck, no matter who is dead. All I am pushing for is that people have a little class for a really short time and STFU in honor of a dead human being.
― Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
what is this ethical principle that states that if you are obscenely rich you are obliged to memorialize yourself through grandiose displays of largesse?
― (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this thread would be really interesting if it was a bunch of people reposting "RIP" xp
― k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:02 (twelve years ago) link
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:52 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
not the point I was making
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
Actually, the traditional standard for many centuries was to distribute one's largesse quietly, with as little display as possible. Anonymously was always a good approach.
― Aimless, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
if I ever become obscenely wealthy I will discharge my fortune by anonymously erecting massive steel monoliths all across america
― (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:06 (twelve years ago) link
that's basically what steve jobs did, he just put an apple logo on em
― iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:08 (twelve years ago) link
lol look at who's in this picture: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/10/05/technology/20111006_JOBS_READER-18.html
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:08 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't kept track, but I don't think it's necessarily the same people shitting on a RIP thread, but there is always someone who will be that way. Even when my dad died, my asshole sister-in-law had to "just be honest for a minute" and remember his temper and his bossiness and other negative traits. She was telling the truth - and not even a harsh or complete version of the truth - but that wasn't the time for it. But on the internet, people go in full throttle with accurate recollections of the bad parts of the dead, and it's no less of a NAGL here.
― Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:09 (twelve years ago) link
the difference is your dad was your dad, and steve jobs is a dude none of us knows who was a public figure
― k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:11 (twelve years ago) link
xxpost XD
― the ┬──┬ is the ┬──┬ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:12 (twelve years ago) link
steve jobs is really the father to us all, think about it
Je55e otm. Also, most people itt are certainly not emotional about this guy's death, so running into the thread and screaming "YOU'RE ALL ARSEHOLES FOR CARING" is dickishly missing the point.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:14 (twelve years ago) link
i just found out about this, numb
― Bee OK, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:14 (twelve years ago) link
steve jobs was the drummer for gay dad
― buzza, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:15 (twelve years ago) link
not trying to shit on anyone and it sucks that he died so young, but i guess i'm surprised at the outpouring?
also fuck u, jesse's sister-in-law
― mookieproof, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:15 (twelve years ago) link
All arguments about "so what, someone you didn't know died" are perfectly rational, whether you're talking Lady Di or Steve Jobs (and I agree in general - cancer sucks but Steve Jobs dying doesn't make me feel anything) - but that's never going to change the way someone affected is going to feel, so it's kind of a dumb argument to get into. Let the people who do care do so in peace. Mourning death is better than celebrating death, at least.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:17 (twelve years ago) link
Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs laid into teachers unions Friday at a Texas education reform conference, an Austin, Texas, newspaper reported, saying they're "what's wrong with our schools."
Teachers unions have traditionally represented one of Apple's most loyal group of customers and have largely stuck with the company since the days of the Apple IIe.
Unionization, said Jobs in reports filed by both the Associated Press and the Austin American-Statesman, was "off-the-charts crazy."
During a joint appearance with Michael Dell that was sponsored by the Texas Public Education Reform Foundation, Jobs took on the unions by first comparing schools to small businesses, and school principals to CEOs. He then asked rhetorically: "What kind of person could you get to run a small business if you told them that when they came in, they couldn't get rid of people that they thought weren't any good? Not really great ones, because if you're really smart, you go, 'I can't win.' "
He went on to say that "what is wrong with our schools in this nation is that they have become unionized in the worst possible way. This unionization and lifetime employment of K-12 teachers is off-the-charts crazy."
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:18 (twelve years ago) link
Jobs took on the unions by first comparing schools to small businesses, and school principals to CEOs.
This applies to private schools, certainly
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:20 (twelve years ago) link
steve jobs turned apple around by turning liberal humanism into a huge marketing gimmick and selling it to hipster college students. he disguised market relations as social relations and made dumb 20-somethings think that the role of seller/consumer is some kind of intimate social bond as long as the company has commercials that appeal to their generic liberalism. this is why a bunch of people are acting like when some CEO billionaire who sold them a product died it was like they lost a personal friend
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:22 (twelve years ago) link
^ masterpiece
― iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:23 (twelve years ago) link
andy ihnatko: http://www.suntimes.com/8057908-417/rip-steve-jobs-a-man-who-truly-changed-the-world.html
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:23 (twelve years ago) link
― k3vin k., Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:11 AM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark
I recognize that, and to be honest, I'm commenting on the larger phenomenon of people's habit of piping up with criticism of the dead all over ILX and elsewhere. I mean, when Amy Winehouse died, a couple of relatively "normal" friends said some heinous and petty stuff about her, and she certainly could never rise to the level nastiness of Steve Jobs (one friend justified his statement by saying that people should be sad about the bombing in Norway, not some drug addict's death). But that is not to say I'm not annoyed at that phenomenon ITT.
It comes down to wondering what people get out of announcing their disdain for a recently dead person, especially when others admire that person. And pulling out further, I guess I'm pondering the nature of trolling.
― Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
this is why a bunch of people are acting like when some CEO billionaire who sold them a product died it was like they lost a personal friend
I am ready to unfollow a laod of people on Twitter for doing p much exactly that AND buying black skivvies in his honour
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:26 (twelve years ago) link
don't do anything rash!
― balls, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:27 (twelve years ago) link
i'd guess they get at least as much out of it as someone who dutifully posts "RIP" - i don't necessarily have to agree with what the detractors say to not have a problem with them injecting some opposing viewpoints into the discussion, provided they're somewhat thoughtful. i don't see why those reactions are any less valid than anyone else's xxp
― k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:28 (twelve years ago) link
idk i think this dude was a terrible person who made the world a much worse place and 'the reaction' to his death is p off-putting to me, which i guess compels its own unpalatable counterreaction, not sure which response is the most 'legitimate'
n.e.way tamtam otm
― my other display name is my facebook status (Lamp), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:29 (twelve years ago) link