Guns n Roses: Critical Rehab

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I used to buy frogs scorpions etc at the same store in Lakewood where Slash got his snakes

The first sentence of the third chapter of your memoir.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:58 (twelve years ago) link

frogbs, scorpions, etc

looking forward to the "steven tyler's frogpit" solo album btw

nəverDirty (some dude), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link

definitely wanna read the duff book, and i've stayed away from the other two autobios even though i used to be a diehard gunshead. i haven't read the UYI book but i think i'd like it -- while i have feelings of affection for the music and the group, i'm as critical/mocking of their flaws as anyone.

i watched the live stream of this year's rock in rio (w/ axl + "new" guns). interesting experience. following the hashtags was also a telling experience.

ms. c flat (get bent), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link

(the hashtaggers were particularly critical about axl's weight gain. i didn't think he looked too bad for a guy about to turn 50.)

ms. c flat (get bent), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

The first sentence of the third chapter of your memoir.

actually it's my entire memoir, sorta jumped the gun by posting it here

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

the Frogs, Scorpions Et Cetera on Del Amo Boulevard!?!? get right outta town. do you know if Howard is still the manager over there?

no loyd's pets and reptiles. now closed evidently but it was the best place if frogs scorpions etc were yr deal

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

Loyd's are a bunch of fucking bums, Howard just told me to post

nəverDirty (some dude), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link

At the time Weisbard surprised me by not relating the story of Axl, after sending champagne and roses, showed up backstage at a Pet Shop Boys show in 1991.

He proceeds to rave about the show -- "that was so cool, `My October Symphony,' when tye dont' even sing" -- and say that liking them is becoming a shared secret in the world. "I phone dup the singer of Nine Inch Nails and I said "'What's that you're listening to?" and he said, "'Oh, er, it's the Pet Shop boys.'" He tells me he plays Behaviour in the car and his friends say, 'What are you trying to make me like NOW...?"

Then he tells me that there's something in common between "My October Symphony" and this song he's struggling with in the studio at the moment, a song called "November Rain."

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:25 (twelve years ago) link

Howard is bummed that Slash didn't recognize him when he came in for feeder mice

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:35 (twelve years ago) link

is it overreaching to make a "thing" of how many gay artists axl is a huge fan of (psb, freddie mercury, elton john)? i remember an interview where he said his classmates in the '70s made fun of him for liking the stones because they were "considered fags" at that point.

ms. c flat (get bent), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:52 (twelve years ago) link

i tend to think that whole "i'm ineruditely homophobic yet deeply enamoured and respectful of gay icons like elton john and freddy mercury" is just a fragment of a broader dichotomy that sums up w. axl rose. i mean, the guy is inscrutable and ridiculous on just about every front.

charlie h, Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:46 (twelve years ago) link

He's an outsider just like them

per metal injection (Eazy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:49 (twelve years ago) link

Or was when he stepped off the Greyhound

per metal injection (Eazy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:50 (twelve years ago) link

i mean, the guy is inscrutable and ridiculous on just about every front.

well, yes, but.

ms. c flat (get bent), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:56 (twelve years ago) link

to me there's always been a sense of axl diffusing his introspecive, thoughtful side ("estranged", "november rain") with a more small-minded, belligerent approach ("one in a million", "back off bitch"). i also sense a bit of a running theme throughout the cavalier illusion records of a "small town white boy" trying to reconcile himself with the opportunistic and complex world that fame and rock stardom brings.

charlie h, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:28 (twelve years ago) link

and of course you also hear the byproducts of fame and rock stardom on those albums, ie. a right-of-way to channel inner thoughts and insecurities in a bloated and self-important manner.

charlie h, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:35 (twelve years ago) link

i think the mystery of axl stems from his curious ability to offset his predominantly selfish and reckless personality with atypical bouts of tenderness and complex thinking.

charlie h, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:44 (twelve years ago) link

my favorite bit of trivia about Axl is that one of his favorite songs to get 'fired up' to was WASP's "I Wanna Be Somebody". But I think that Axl is looooooong gone.

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:49 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Hmm, where to put this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XUKRZGVW6Q

In which Axl reveals that the original cover of "Appetite" was intended to be a photograph of the Challenger explosion (!!!!!!).

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 November 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

So it went from Challenger explosion -> robot rape scene -> awesome skull cross?

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 14 November 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link

i heart bumblefoot

reconstituted pork offal slurry (get bent), Monday, 14 November 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

fuck, Viacom asserted copyright on that Axl interview with a quickness. can someone summarize?

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

(the Trib fixed the caption, which when I posted had said the band name was "Enough is Enough.")

Love stream of mic checking (Eazy), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

He said the rant in "Get In The Ring" was Duff's idea because there was a space in the song.

I don't remember the rest.

billstevejim, Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:57 (twelve years ago) link

there was an uncomfortable amount of ass-licking in that interview.

charlie h, Thursday, 17 November 2011 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

Short form: original idea for the cover was the Challenger explosion; only reason they toured in '92 was because their manager booked them without his consent and there was some concern that leaving the group idle would lead to Slash OD'ing on heroin; Tommy seems to be, maybe, the band- leader, or at least Axl's closest band member?; reason Axl goes on so late often is just because things are going wrong and they need time to work them out, whatever that means. Also, Axl thinks people really like Chinese Democracy and its legacy is a work in progress.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 November 2011 23:34 (twelve years ago) link

"Sweet Child O' Mine" was written in response to someone "doing donuts."

billstevejim, Friday, 18 November 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link

They were too lame to ask him about One In A Million.

billstevejim, Friday, 18 November 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link

stinson's official title in gnr is 'musical director'

quit /stalking/ me 2.0 (some dude), Friday, 18 November 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

i have a copy of Chinese Democracy on vinyl.

i mostly use it as a tray to serve hors d'oeuvres off of

no jesus, no piece (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 November 2011 02:27 (twelve years ago) link

someday i'm going to talk into a Best Buy that's selling it on vinyl for 50 cents each, and i'm going to buy them all and build a great wall of Chinese Democracy

quit /stalking/ me 2.0 (some dude), Friday, 18 November 2011 02:35 (twelve years ago) link

Is it still a Best Buy exclusive?

Love stream of mic checking (Eazy), Friday, 18 November 2011 05:14 (twelve years ago) link

Caption on this one:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/chi-guns-roses-at-allstate-arena-pg,0,2045814.photogallery?index=chi-ct-roses0120111115230310

― Love stream of mic checking (Eazy), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:06 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^this dude peed in Madonna iirc

upright shitizen's brigade (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 18 November 2011 05:21 (twelve years ago) link

in madonna?

Mark G, Friday, 18 November 2011 10:09 (twelve years ago) link

Yes.

rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 18 November 2011 13:19 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

Well:

To: The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

When the nominations for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame were first announced I had mixed emotions but, in an effort to be positive, wanting to make the most of things for the fans and with their enthusiasm, I was honored, excited and hoped that somehow this would be a good thing. Of course I realized as things stood, if Guns N' Roses were to be inducted it'd be somewhat of a complicated or awkward situation.

Since then we've listened to fans, talked with members of the board of the Hall Of Fame, communicated with and read various public comments and jabs from former members of Guns N' Roses, had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame, read various press (some legit, some contrived) and read other artists' comments weighing in publicly on Guns and the Hall with their thoughts.

Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out. Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things... no offense meant to anyone but the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.

For the record, I would not begrudge anyone from Guns their accomplishments or recognition for such. Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It's their show not mine.

That said, I won't be attending The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction 2012 Ceremony and I respectfully decline my induction as a member of Guns N' Roses to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf. Neither former members, label representatives nor the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame should imply whether directly, indirectly or by omission that I am included in any purported induction of "Guns N' Roses".

This decision is personal. This letter is to help clarify things from my and my camp's perspective. Neither is meant to offend, attack or condemn. Though unfortunately I'm sure there will be those who take offense (God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout), I certainly don't intend to disappoint anyone, especially the fans, with this decision. Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around.

In regard to a reunion of any kind of either the Appetite or Illusion lineups, I've publicly made myself more than clear. Nothing's changed.

The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba.

Izzy came out with us a few times back in '06 and I invited him to join us at our LA Forum show last year. Steven was at our show at the Hard Rock, later in '06 in Las Vegas, where I invited him to our after-party and was rewarded with his subsequent interviews filled with reunion lies. Lesson learned. Duff joined us in 2010 and again in '11 along with his band, Loaded, opening in Seattle and Vancouver. For me, with the exception of Izzy or Duff joining us on stage if they were so inclined somewhere in the future for a song or two, that's enough.

There's a seemingly endless amount of revisionism and fantasies out there for the sake of self-promotion and business opportunities masking the actual realities. Until every single one of those generating from or originating with the earlier lineups has been brought out in the light, there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion.

Maybe if it were you it'd be different. Maybe you'd do it for this reason or that. Peace, whatever. I love our band now. We're there for each other when the going get's rough. We love our fans and work to give them every ounce of energy and heart we can.

So let sleeping dogs lie or lying dogs sleep or whatever. Time to move on. People get divorced. Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense.

But hey if ya gotta then maybe we can get the "no show, grandstanding, publicity stunt, disrespectful, he doesn't care about the fans" crap out of the way as quickly as we can and let's move on. No one's taking the ball and going home. Don't get it twisted. For more than a decade and a half we've endured the double standards, the greed of this industry and the ever present seemingly limitless supply of wannabes and unscrupulous, irresponsible media types. Not to imply anything in this particular circumstance, but from my perspective in regard to both the Hall and a reunion, the ball's never been in our court.

In closing, regardless of this decision and as hard to believe or as ironic as it may seem, I'd like to sincerely thank the board for their nomination and their votes for Guns' induction. More importantly I'd like to thank the fans for being there over the years, making any success we've had possible and for enjoying and supporting Guns N' Roses music.

I wish the Hall a great show, congratulations to all the other artists being inducted and to our fans we look forward to seeing you on tour!!

Sincerely,

Axl Rose

P.S. RIP Armand, Long Live ABC III

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

when i saw this thread I thought "Critical Rehab" was the name of a new album?

Xerox of Fate, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link

Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending
Oh yes it does, Axl Rose!

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

oh man i'm really torn between Axl being a huge, whining baby and someone actually finally giving something other than lip service to the "fuck the Hall of Fame" thing. not that is a huge snub or w/e, but still an Axl-less GnR exhibit will be really lol.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

So basically Axl says he isn't trying to tell the R'n'RHoF what to do, but really he's trying to tell the R'n'RHoF what to do.
Or in other words, passive aggressive Axl is passive aggressive.

they do do doo doo sandwiches (snoball), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

xp it's like someone finally took a stand against environmental pollution, but unfortunately it was Hitler.

they do do doo doo sandwiches (snoball), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

lol snoball

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

Axl's camp.

SongOfSam, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

once again, axl makes it all about axl.

eyes of dora maar (get bent), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

xp He's quite twee nowadays as well.

they do do doo doo sandwiches (snoball), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

crossing my fingers so hard for the induction of everybody in gnr except axl

please please please please please

preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link


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