Bert Jansch is to Steve Jobs as Sky Saxon is to Michael Jackson.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:55 (twelve years ago) link
As someone who's been called out on RIP threads before, I'll defend amateurist: what better place to evaluate a man's legacy without being nasty about it?
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:55 (twelve years ago) link
rip
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:55 (twelve years ago) link
even tho he was very ill, this is still weird and stunning
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:55 (twelve years ago) link
Apple's manufacturing processes are often as deplorable as anyone else's, but the company didn't start that way and it's clear that Jobs has just been an idea man and figurehead for many many years. Putting that yoke around a dead man's neck seems unfair.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 7:55 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark
that may be true -- i don't know much about internal corporate decision-making/culture of apple.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
'"efforts" doesnt really cover the extent of the bill & melinda gates foundation'i mean efforts in the sense that I applaud Bill's intent more than his application. There's some rightful criticism that Jobs hasn't used his wealth in an equally effortful way but the more I read about how the Gates foundation has gone about applying the money, I feel less certain that it's in the right hands.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:55 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
sorry, this is complete bullshit, he was a ceo
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
like i wonder if kary mullis will receive this level of attention when he dies
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:31 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
heh, i mean, to be fair, steve jobs hasnt been talking up aids denialism for the last decade
― max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
larry page: https://plus.google.com/106189723444098348646/posts/4wkYwTCCgAc
― markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:58 (twelve years ago) link
the moment after someone's death isn't really the place for a "rational analysis" of anything, amateurist
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:58 (twelve years ago) link
i.e. if you really want to have that discussion, about apple's business practices, you are not going to get it here right now
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:59 (twelve years ago) link
full disclosure: my nonprofit workplace was made possible by B&MGF so i am naturally biased
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
i know that, tracer. but how does that translate to it being a bad idea to mention it?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
Just re the suicides in Apple's factories, afaik Apple did more than most companies to enforce standards of human decency in those factories. Not saying it's the best they could have done but it's better than most actually do.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/2bYCM.jpg
― circa1916, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:02 (twelve years ago) link
what if it's an RIP QADDAFI thread?
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:02 (twelve years ago) link
steve jobs WAS kind of an asshole sometimes, guys. not a saint. otoh most of the people who worked with him seem to talk about him in terms of being one of those needed-to-be-an-asshole-to-get-shit-done types not a man-who-fell-to-earth aspie asshole type like big bill g.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:02 (twelve years ago) link
also kinda smdh at everyone using a mouse or a trackpad to click "submit post" saying "what's the big deal"
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
re: bad corp practices, I dunno, it's a fair critique to level against a CEO as hands-on as Jobs and whose expression is bound up in how the company operates. Alice Waters would get the same guff, no?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
::sigh:: i know why ppl feel *emotional* about this but i won't be holding my breath for the next outpouring of grief for the ceo of a top 50 company in the fortune 500 and that tells me all i need to know.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
wikileaks showing what being an asshole when someone dies really looks like: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_status_results,_2008
― joe, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
oh, sorry - it's old, but they're retweeting it.
have to take issue w/everyone h8ing on bills commencement speech, sure the one sentance everyones harping on is p boilerplate carpe diem but the other sentences surrounding it re the totality of death are well more real and otm than yr standard fare
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
My guess is that Bill Gates has a lot more skeletons in his closet he feels the need to make up for. Jobs always just seemed in it for the innovation. The money was gravy. The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern. His passion was in r&d and pushing technology forward. Now you may not appreciate his idea of "forward," but I honestly don't believe he was sitting in his ceo suite rubbing his fingers together like Monty Burns cracking a smile at the poor Taiwanese workers that were piecing together iMacs.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
love those guys (xp)
― Miles "Tails" Davis (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
stevewozSteve Wozniak Drove around looking for today's Cupertino shooter but no luck yet. (@ Mandarin Gourmet) 4sq.com/oX3Xoh5 hours ago
stevewozSteve Wozniak Tuesday split pea soup. (@ Marie Callender's) 4sq.com/qClFnf23 hours ago
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern.
as a ceo, he was responsible and accountable for every activity that his company undertook. this is rupert murdoch's line of defense btw!
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsmcs7jHVT1qapxtvo1_500.jpg
― polyphonic, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
btw this is SUPER dated and sometimes almost avert-your-eyes hokey, but this was my introduction to all these dorks way back when. it's actually a pretty interesting look at dude's place in the industry after the ouster but before the whole iwhatever thing brought him back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jV3JdtaOGc
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:07 (twelve years ago) link
Basically saying the document looks forged?
― Mark G, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:07 (twelve years ago) link
"The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern."
the cafeteria and the food they served when he came back to apple offended him, so the next day he fired them all, and now they make an awesome and cheap vegan burger -- this dude was hands-on when he wanted to be.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:07 (twelve years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
what does it tell you?
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
I wonder if they were actually friends or just facebook friends
― iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
OK that's a good one: obviously the guy who donated 10 or 20 billion toward improving the world is hiding his dark side
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:08 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
that people will believe whatever suits them
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
What a revelation!
― You people are supposed to be some kind of music culture intelligentsi (Phil D.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:10 (twelve years ago) link
man I just wanted to post "" in my facebook but it wouldn't let me
fuck you facebook
― (╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:10 (twelve years ago) link
Fine. I've got one life, maybe 80 or so years to live it, and then I'm gone. Believing what I want to believe makes no fucking difference in how the world actually turns. xps
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:11 (twelve years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:09 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark
idk, i have no problem separating steve jobs from the CEOs of exxon & wells fargo
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:11 (twelve years ago) link
^ this
this really doesn't have to be an either/or thing yall
― max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:13 (twelve years ago) link
FWIW, Foxconn also assembles PlayStations, Wiis, and computers for HP and Dell, so everyone that uses electronics is to blame.
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
or from bill gates, shit
the man was a great inventor who made a lot of people's lives easier & better -- the fact that he was mega rich seems immaterial to me
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
I feel how I felt when Kon Satoshi died, I don't think CEO-ness or mega-rich-ness enters into it.
― (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
idk I feel like I'm reminded of cheap labor in asia every time I use my laptop, every time I tie my shows, every time I put on a shirt. seems weird to harp on that itt.
― (╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
jobs was CEO of a toy company that 10% or more of the first world uses. exxon CEOs manage a basic industrial resource that at least 50% of the world relies on. bad analogy.
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:15 (twelve years ago) link
it's just a little weird that ppl feel so strongly about a guy whose job was making computers and gadgets that were a bit nicer than everyone else's computers and gadgets!
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:15 (twelve years ago) link
I make music, CAD. Apple's technology impacts what I do every damn day. For the better.
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:16 (twelve years ago) link
Uh, you're seriously undercutting the fact that he shrunk computers down from the size of a whole room to something you can put on a desk (and now, in your pocket).
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:16 (twelve years ago) link
1. Most computers and gadgets have not been made by the same dude for most of the time that computer gadgets have existed.2. The dude died at 56 of fucking pancreatic cancer. This is something worth being upset about.
― (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:17 (twelve years ago) link