Steve Jobs RIP 1955-2011

amateurist killin it

RIP, guy who developed stuff I don't use

Apple's manufacturing processes are often as deplorable as anyone else's, but the company didn't start that way and it's clear that Jobs has just been an idea man and figurehead for many many years. Putting that yoke around a dead man's neck seems unfair.

Bert Jansch is to Steve Jobs as Sky Saxon is to Michael Jackson.

As someone who's been called out on RIP threads before, I'll defend amateurist: what better place to evaluate a man's legacy without being nasty about it?

rip

even tho he was very ill, this is still weird and stunning

Apple's manufacturing processes are often as deplorable as anyone else's, but the company didn't start that way and it's clear that Jobs has just been an idea man and figurehead for many many years. Putting that yoke around a dead man's neck seems unfair.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 7:55 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark

that may be true -- i don't know much about internal corporate decision-making/culture of apple.

'"efforts" doesnt really cover the extent of the bill & melinda gates foundation'
i mean efforts in the sense that I applaud Bill's intent more than his application. There's some rightful criticism that Jobs hasn't used his wealth in an equally effortful way but the more I read about how the Gates foundation has gone about applying the money, I feel less certain that it's in the right hands.

Apple's manufacturing processes are often as deplorable as anyone else's, but the company didn't start that way and it's clear that Jobs has just been an idea man and figurehead for many many years. Putting that yoke around a dead man's neck seems unfair.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:55 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sorry, this is complete bullshit, he was a ceo

like i wonder if kary mullis will receive this level of attention when he dies

― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:31 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

heh, i mean, to be fair, steve jobs hasnt been talking up aids denialism for the last decade

larry page: https://plus.google.com/106189723444098348646/posts/4wkYwTCCgAc

the moment after someone's death isn't really the place for a "rational analysis" of anything, amateurist

i.e. if you really want to have that discussion, about apple's business practices, you are not going to get it here right now

full disclosure: my nonprofit workplace was made possible by B&MGF so i am naturally biased

i know that, tracer. but how does that translate to it being a bad idea to mention it?

Just re the suicides in Apple's factories, afaik Apple did more than most companies to enforce standards of human decency in those factories. Not saying it's the best they could have done but it's better than most actually do.

http://i.imgur.com/2bYCM.jpg

what if it's an RIP QADDAFI thread?

steve jobs WAS kind of an asshole sometimes, guys. not a saint. otoh most of the people who worked with him seem to talk about him in terms of being one of those needed-to-be-an-asshole-to-get-shit-done types not a man-who-fell-to-earth aspie asshole type like big bill g.

also kinda smdh at everyone using a mouse or a trackpad to click "submit post" saying "what's the big deal"

re: bad corp practices, I dunno, it's a fair critique to level against a CEO as hands-on as Jobs and whose expression is bound up in how the company operates. Alice Waters would get the same guff, no?

::sigh:: i know why ppl feel *emotional* about this but i won't be holding my breath for the next outpouring of grief for the ceo of a top 50 company in the fortune 500 and that tells me all i need to know.

wikileaks showing what being an asshole when someone dies really looks like: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_status_results,_2008

oh, sorry - it's old, but they're retweeting it.

have to take issue w/everyone h8ing on bills commencement speech, sure the one sentance everyones harping on is p boilerplate carpe diem but the other sentences surrounding it re the totality of death are well more real and otm than yr standard fare

My guess is that Bill Gates has a lot more skeletons in his closet he feels the need to make up for. Jobs always just seemed in it for the innovation. The money was gravy. The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern. His passion was in r&d and pushing technology forward. Now you may not appreciate his idea of "forward," but I honestly don't believe he was sitting in his ceo suite rubbing his fingers together like Monty Burns cracking a smile at the poor Taiwanese workers that were piecing together iMacs.

love those guys (xp)

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The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern.

as a ceo, he was responsible and accountable for every activity that his company undertook. this is rupert murdoch's line of defense btw!

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsmcs7jHVT1qapxtvo1_500.jpg

btw this is SUPER dated and sometimes almost avert-your-eyes hokey, but this was my introduction to all these dorks way back when. it's actually a pretty interesting look at dude's place in the industry after the ouster but before the whole iwhatever thing brought him back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jV3JdtaOGc

Basically saying the document looks forged?

"The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern."

the cafeteria and the food they served when he came back to apple offended him, so the next day he fired them all, and now they make an awesome and cheap vegan burger -- this dude was hands-on when he wanted to be.

::sigh:: i know why ppl feel *emotional* about this but i won't be holding my breath for the next outpouring of grief for the ceo of a top 50 company in the fortune 500 and that tells me all i need to know.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

what does it tell you?

I wonder if they were actually friends or just facebook friends

OK that's a good one: obviously the guy who donated 10 or 20 billion toward improving the world is hiding his dark side

what does it tell you?

― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:08 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that people will believe whatever suits them

What a revelation!

man I just wanted to post "" in my facebook but it wouldn't let me

fuck you facebook

Fine. I've got one life, maybe 80 or so years to live it, and then I'm gone. Believing what I want to believe makes no fucking difference in how the world actually turns. xps

that people will believe whatever suits them

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:09 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark

idk, i have no problem separating steve jobs from the CEOs of exxon & wells fargo

^ this

this really doesn't have to be an either/or thing yall

FWIW, Foxconn also assembles PlayStations, Wiis, and computers for HP and Dell, so everyone that uses electronics is to blame.

or from bill gates, shit

the man was a great inventor who made a lot of people's lives easier & better -- the fact that he was mega rich seems immaterial to me

I feel how I felt when Kon Satoshi died, I don't think CEO-ness or mega-rich-ness enters into it.

idk I feel like I'm reminded of cheap labor in asia every time I use my laptop, every time I tie my shows, every time I put on a shirt. seems weird to harp on that itt.

jobs was CEO of a toy company that 10% or more of the first world uses. exxon CEOs manage a basic industrial resource that at least 50% of the world relies on. bad analogy.

it's just a little weird that ppl feel so strongly about a guy whose job was making computers and gadgets that were a bit nicer than everyone else's computers and gadgets!