Steve Jobs RIP 1955-2011

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like when bill gates dies is it okay to say windows wasn't such a big deal that he deserved forty billion dollars?

Who says Bill Gates is ever going to die?

sorry if anyone thinks i'm being an asshole. a guy died and that's sad. people like apple and i know it. i like their products too. but they are consumer products, designed to be obsolescent after a few years and manufactured by cheap labor in asia.

this thread doesn't exist because jobs was a nice guy we all knew. it exists because jobs was a public figure, who was an important part of a company that has had a big effect on the way we live our lives. so the nature of his legacy seems like exactly the thing to be talking about.

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― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:45 (4 seconds ago) Bookmark

Steve Jobs still dead! Pictures at ten

honestly unless the thread is just one endless "RIP Steve Jobs" what else are we going to talk about? how my MacBook shuts down sometimes when it's supposed to just go to sleep?

zuckerberg: http://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10100100934727791

i know bill is making some grand philanthropic efforts, but a world without windows is a better world, though. iphone world definitely beats ham radio britannica world.

steve jobs is dead and chuck berry's still alive. that's kind of weird to me.

xxxpost a little tasteless, sorry

If you want to criticize a western corporation for manufacturing on the cheap in Asia, get in line. No reason to hash it out in this particular thread, though. many xps

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more like overseas jobs

"efforts" doesnt really cover the extent of the bill & melinda gates foundation

i know bill is making some grand philanthropic efforts, but a world without windows is a better world,

The existence of windows is what keeps a roof over my head, so fuck that noise.

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http://www.pitchfork.com/news/44218-rip-steve-jobs/

If you want to criticize a western corporation for manufacturing on the cheap in Asia, get in line. No reason to hash it out in this particular thread, though. many xps

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 7:50 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what exactly is your problem with my mentioning this stuff on this thread? it helps to keep things in perspective. maybe i'm being a horrible troll without realizing it. if so, i sincerely apologize. but it seems that apple's business practices are as much a part of jobs's legacy as the GUI or the iphone or whatever. at least they would be in a rational analysis.

I don't think amst. has risen to the level of assholism itt, for what it's worth.

but it's apple factories w/ the high suicide rate, not nike factories

amateurist killin it

RIP, guy who developed stuff I don't use

Apple's manufacturing processes are often as deplorable as anyone else's, but the company didn't start that way and it's clear that Jobs has just been an idea man and figurehead for many many years. Putting that yoke around a dead man's neck seems unfair.

Bert Jansch is to Steve Jobs as Sky Saxon is to Michael Jackson.

As someone who's been called out on RIP threads before, I'll defend amateurist: what better place to evaluate a man's legacy without being nasty about it?

rip

even tho he was very ill, this is still weird and stunning

Apple's manufacturing processes are often as deplorable as anyone else's, but the company didn't start that way and it's clear that Jobs has just been an idea man and figurehead for many many years. Putting that yoke around a dead man's neck seems unfair.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 7:55 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark

that may be true -- i don't know much about internal corporate decision-making/culture of apple.

'"efforts" doesnt really cover the extent of the bill & melinda gates foundation'
i mean efforts in the sense that I applaud Bill's intent more than his application. There's some rightful criticism that Jobs hasn't used his wealth in an equally effortful way but the more I read about how the Gates foundation has gone about applying the money, I feel less certain that it's in the right hands.

Apple's manufacturing processes are often as deplorable as anyone else's, but the company didn't start that way and it's clear that Jobs has just been an idea man and figurehead for many many years. Putting that yoke around a dead man's neck seems unfair.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:55 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sorry, this is complete bullshit, he was a ceo

like i wonder if kary mullis will receive this level of attention when he dies

― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:31 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

heh, i mean, to be fair, steve jobs hasnt been talking up aids denialism for the last decade

larry page: https://plus.google.com/106189723444098348646/posts/4wkYwTCCgAc

the moment after someone's death isn't really the place for a "rational analysis" of anything, amateurist

i.e. if you really want to have that discussion, about apple's business practices, you are not going to get it here right now

full disclosure: my nonprofit workplace was made possible by B&MGF so i am naturally biased

i know that, tracer. but how does that translate to it being a bad idea to mention it?

Just re the suicides in Apple's factories, afaik Apple did more than most companies to enforce standards of human decency in those factories. Not saying it's the best they could have done but it's better than most actually do.

http://i.imgur.com/2bYCM.jpg

what if it's an RIP QADDAFI thread?

steve jobs WAS kind of an asshole sometimes, guys. not a saint. otoh most of the people who worked with him seem to talk about him in terms of being one of those needed-to-be-an-asshole-to-get-shit-done types not a man-who-fell-to-earth aspie asshole type like big bill g.

also kinda smdh at everyone using a mouse or a trackpad to click "submit post" saying "what's the big deal"

re: bad corp practices, I dunno, it's a fair critique to level against a CEO as hands-on as Jobs and whose expression is bound up in how the company operates. Alice Waters would get the same guff, no?

::sigh:: i know why ppl feel *emotional* about this but i won't be holding my breath for the next outpouring of grief for the ceo of a top 50 company in the fortune 500 and that tells me all i need to know.

wikileaks showing what being an asshole when someone dies really looks like: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_status_results,_2008

oh, sorry - it's old, but they're retweeting it.

have to take issue w/everyone h8ing on bills commencement speech, sure the one sentance everyones harping on is p boilerplate carpe diem but the other sentences surrounding it re the totality of death are well more real and otm than yr standard fare

My guess is that Bill Gates has a lot more skeletons in his closet he feels the need to make up for. Jobs always just seemed in it for the innovation. The money was gravy. The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern. His passion was in r&d and pushing technology forward. Now you may not appreciate his idea of "forward," but I honestly don't believe he was sitting in his ceo suite rubbing his fingers together like Monty Burns cracking a smile at the poor Taiwanese workers that were piecing together iMacs.

love those guys (xp)

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The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern.

as a ceo, he was responsible and accountable for every activity that his company undertook. this is rupert murdoch's line of defense btw!