PINK FLOYD

I must be thinking of another show then. I know I've heard one that's minus the choir and horns and I really dug it. Must be from that period, but not sure when. Will check around.

As for prog-ness of The Floyd, for all the tricks and effects, none of it ever felt like i was showing off, y'know? Gilmour is a pretty understated player, at least in terms of the notes being played. Sure, he loved to put the sound right into outer space, but all of the notes belonged exactly where they were. No unnecessary scales.

Our own difficult listening hour listened to Pipers... for the first time this morning. His thoughts:

this stuff is ridiculous though

SITTING ON A BUTTERCUP
SWIMMING IN THE STARRY SKY

what a stupid decade

...
he agrees that pink floyd rules, though, right?

Mono Piper...-INTENSE (and rules)

^this. Just heard it for the first time the other day, and it trounces the stereo version. Trounces, I say!

yeah, i'd say that's my go-to example for the mono beating stereo in the 60s argument. even w/ the beatles, i don't care that much, but piper is just so much better.

Also was the only version directly mastered/overseen by Syd, yes?

yeah i think that's right.
everything just sounds so much more alive on the mono mix.

yeah...but there's one moment...I always forget but will find it, where there's a transition in the stereo mix (the mix I grew up with ), that's like the effects change in PIL's Memories, where suddenly everything clears out and changes and it's just astonishing, and it's totally missing on the mono version, which I wasn't familiar with till a year or two ago.

Is it the back-and-forth whooshing at the end of "Interstellar Overdrive"? That's about the only think I miss from the stereo version. Makes me dizzy.

*thing

i actually think it's the aforementioned parts in flaming, where it goes from all the jingle jangle percussion and background vocals to a strummed guitar in the middle of the couplet. I'm listening to the stereo version on youtube now and it's not as pronounced as I remember.

Before "sitting on a unicorn". I'll have to listen to whatever stereo version I have at home.

I listened to Ummagumma for the first time ever today. I really wish I hadn't let all of the horror stories about the studio side keep me away for so long, because the live side is a real treat.

Wait, I forgot, Pink Floyd rules!

I love The Narrow Way, really underrated and a big part of my "boot".

might be unbelievable heresy, but i might prefer the live "Astronomy Domine" on ummagumma to the syd version. maybe!
pink floyd rules!

^that is sacrilege imo but the live side of ummagumma is dope.
Getting back to the soundtrack talk...the Floyd contributions to Zabriskie Point RULE.
Also: only original Floyd stuff on Spotify.

lol i felt ~regrets~ as soon as i typed that. but i do love the live side!
dudes, the floyd opened with astronomy domine when i saw them in 94! and i was in the fucking parking lot!

True story: in like 2000, I checked Ummagumma out of my local library to finally hear it, but when I got home it had two copies of the stupid disc in it! Revolted I was, so I returned it unlistened.

Yeah, "The Narrow Way" is something I could really see myself returning to, not so much the rest of it. dan selzer you better at least post tracklistings when you are done! That will rule, much like the Floyd!

Also: only original Floyd stuff on Spotify.
Oh, besides Pulse, that is.

No Grand Vizier's Garden Party for you Jon?

might be unbelievable heresy, but i might prefer the live "Astronomy Domine" on ummagumma to the syd version. maybe!

17 October, 1970. Pepperland Auditorium in San Rafael, CA. PF twice tries to open with "Astronomy Domine" but the auditorium power keeps blowing out and the band and audience is frustrated. When power is finally restored, they sound like the unholiest combination of Spacemen 3, Tangerine Dream, and Husker Du. Run for your lives!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykRgNwnOR0I

(apologies for sounding like a Deadhead with all the bootleg talk)

How weird: Rhapsody has tons of Floyd and Spotify almost none?

Licensing is a bitch.

so if i were to read a book about pink floyd (who rule), should it be pigs might fly or saucerful of secrets or something else entirely

I thought SAUCERFUL was a pretty great read. Most fans probably thought he spent too much time on "the stupid flower child early days before DARK SIDE MAAAAAAN" but I thought he got the balance pretty right. Not familiar with PIGS MIGHT FLY.

Pigs Might Fly rules.

http://www.bigozine2.com/MP311/PFjungle/PFjungleFr.jpg
dunno if everyone already has this, but i don't! looks like it rules.
http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=902

I dl'd Concertgebouw from some site a few months ago. It's fantastic.

Broke down and picked up Meddle, Animals and Dark Side of the Moon. Fucking hell does Animals sound amazing.

Stopped yesterday and picked up a fuck-ton of these. Piper, Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, DSOM, The Wall, Wish You Were Here and Animals. Just started listening to The Wall here at work and it sounds incredible. The remaster has cleared up a lot of the song-to-song volume change problems from previous CD issues, so far as I can tell. And there's so much going on in the background of these songs that I've never really paid attention to before.

Since I haven't listened to them since their original releases, is there any reason for me to give Momentary Lapse and Division Bell another chance? I remember liking "Learning to Fly" and "Dogs of War" at the time, but the rest of them have completely left my memory.

Like, Waters's bass on the intro to "The Happiest Days of Our Lives" sounds so powerful and ominous it literally just sent a chill up my spine.

The transition from "Empty Spaces" to "Young Lust" is like 1000x cleaner now!

I know only DJP and I rep for The Wall, but damn. This sounds amazing. I want to go home and jam it all night on the big speakers now.

I'm about to go all Bimble here, I swear.

i wasn't overly fussed re the beatles reissues, but i can see myself stumping up the necessaries for the boxset of this lot at some time.

so, EMI have done 2 of their crown jewels in last 2 years

who is up for the big shareholder pleasing treatment next year i wonder ?

'the wall' is amazing. never got the haters

is there any reason for me to give Momentary Lapse and Division Bell another chance?

nah

"One Of My Turns." It's like a wholly new song. They should've send a poet.

I'm actually kinda curious about the animals one, back when I was a major floyd head I thought it sounded murky so I never took to it

'the wall' is amazing. never got the haters

I think Alex in NYC said it best, that it was a great album, but the desire to ever sit through listening to it in its entirety ever again is gone. Side Three with all those war songs…

But you know, maybe, if it indeed sounds so much better, I'd be inclined to give it another shot. Now that I think about it, one of the biggest complaints I had about The Wall was that you couldn't hear shit. Imagine listening to "Nobody's Home" on that double-cassette version they sold at Camelot Music, and you get the gist of what I'm saying.

Just remembered how the end of "Hey You" ends the same way sorta as "Dogs" ("We Fall, fall, fall, fall, fall…. Dragged down by the stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone…..")

I am a wall apologist but I already feel like enough of an old man, I don't need to sit around jamming 70s floyd albums

the horror!

Haha, OK, after the guitar solo in "Hey You," you can hear (Waters? Gilmour?) totally muff it at the end of one of those giant slides up the bass neck.

xp PP, it really does sound tremendously better. I've got headphones on in my office, so that certainly helps, but compared to the previous CD issue of this album, it's like the difference between an Edison cylinder and FLAC.

Like, did I ever know that "Gomer Pyle, USMC" was playing on TV in the background during the last verse of "Nobody's Home"? No, no I did not.

The thing about the Wall, and I'm generally one of the haters but am more and more willing to concede that there are great moments of music in there...it that there's something so childishly pretentious in it's angst and bombast. Stuff that sounded so intense and menacing to me as a kid sounds like bad musical theater to me, like the worst aspects of Tommy blown up. I found it funny while watching the Jimmy Fallon week, hearing Foo Fighters do In The Flesh, how awesome I thought it sounded, being played by a real live rock and roll band with real rock energy, and not the 1979 studio gloss.

Another thing that has always occurred to me, which I've never said in public, is how much better the avant garde of post-punk was at the same thing. When I think about 78/79 in music and I think about things like Unknown Pleasures, Chairs MIssing, Fear of Music...they all express the same dark alienation, but they're young and raw artists, not a bunch of seasoned out of touch studio musicians. There's certain chord progressions, like in Day of the Lords by Joy Division, which always makes me thing of the foreboding "intense" stuff on the wall, but it sounds so much more real. The playing effects me more. The lyrics are better.

I think the Wall could've used a lot of editing, a lot less Roger Waters and a lot more punk rock. Maybe if instead of performing it as a ROCK OPERA© Waters should put together a small rock band and tour it in clubs. It'd be more fitting than an entire arena crossing their arms in faux-fascist salute while not actually getting the message...like I did in 1987 at both the Radio KAOS tour and the Momentary Lapse of Reason tour (yes, I saw both, and I was 12 years old.

Dan otm.

I actually meant 154 more than Chairs Missing. If Wire, the band called "Punk Floyd" (because they were arty and on Harvest) recorded The Wall, the band responsible for A Touching Display and A Mutual Friend, I think we'd really have something.

one of my earliest music buying memories is making my grandma take 9 year old me to the mall to buy the wall at sam goody's when it came out, I had seen a tv advert for it with scarfe's animation and was freaked/fascinated

otm indeed. i think the first time i heard this heat i thought of the wall, but this heat actually nailed the vibe so much more effectively. some of that is just overexposure to the wall, but still...