Alchemy? Because he made some other solo albums after that with Swedish only release or something. Alchemy was great, complete with a "Love Is Strange" sound alike, RIP Sylvia Robinson. So yeah, like Nick Lowe, fair enough.
― So. Central Mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 3 October 2011 11:11 (twelve years ago) link
All I know is that I honestly appreciate Lloyd's contributions to those Matthew Sweet records more than anything Verlaine has done since "Marquee Moon."
QFT.
― You people are supposed to be some kind of music culture intelligentsi (Phil D.), Monday, 3 October 2011 12:42 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno, you gys are missing out, verlaine has a lot of stellar material/guitar playing post-MM. lloyd freaking out is weird, but i think he might just be a weird dude.
― tylerw, Monday, 3 October 2011 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
gys = guys
posted this elsewhere, but you want a primer on how good verlaine can be w/o television, check this out: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/8834986475/pull-down-the-future-covering-two-decades-of-live
― tylerw, Monday, 3 October 2011 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
ur totally out of your mind. Listen to the shit Tyler posted.
re: the stuff Lloyd's been posting. Lloyd and Verlaine are both dicks. Lloyd, additionally, is for-real crazy. All of it should be taken with a huge grain of salt (a salt lick maybe).
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Monday, 3 October 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
Richard Lloyd's live "Real Time" is fantastic.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 3 October 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
it's funny, when i interviewed lloyd many years ago, he was surprisingly friendly/norma, for the most part. i had expected a really cranky dude. don't know if he kinda goes through phases of craziness or what. lloyd does get some pretty sweet guitar spots on the new rocket from the tombs record. on spotify if you're curious.
― tylerw, Monday, 3 October 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
"friendly/normal" not norma. having trouble typing today.
Lloyd's website is an embarrassment of riches for guitar students (especially for guitar students who love Richard Lloyd's playing). Every lesson is accompanied by a thoughtful bit of advice/wisdom, and nowhere does he come off as cranky or not-all-there.
...aaaaand now that I check his site, it seems the lessons are nowhere to be found.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 3 October 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i remember a lot of those lessons. maybe he released a dvd of them or something?at some point, he had all of this bizarre pseudo mystical stuff up, couldn't tell if he was kidding or what.
― tylerw, Monday, 3 October 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
He took down the lessons from his website! (xpost)I remember them being interesting, kind of deep, not just "here are a few of my favorite chord shapes and licks," which you wouldn't really expect from him anyway, but still.
― So. Central Mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 3 October 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
I printed out a few of the exercises, and have used them every day for years now. Invaluable shit.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 3 October 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, there's some guitar-y stuff left over in the ask richard section. he seems pretty reasonable there for the most part.
― tylerw, Monday, 3 October 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
re: RFTT, I saw Lloyd with them in around 2005 or so, and yep, he killed. The crowd was hanging on every note. David Thomas, for his part, sat on a chair in the middle of the stage with a bottle of Courvoisier.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 3 October 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
Me preferring Lloyd on the Sweet records has nothing to do with Verlaine's own undeniable talents. It has to do with ... preference. As in, what I actually prefer to listen to. Lloyd (and Quine) were just such a surprisingly perfect fit for that stuff.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 October 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I want to say I saw RFFT that same year, mostly for Lloyd, honestly. Want to say Thomas was barely ambulatory, leaning on a cane.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 October 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
huh, i saw an earlier RFTT show (2003-ish?) and Thomas was pretty explosive. He did sit a little bit, but he also went nuts.
― tylerw, Monday, 3 October 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
Fuck I wish I could find this article written by a dude who traveled with RL on one of his recent tours, kind of a profile piece. I thought I had the link in my email somewhere... anyway, I am far from a behavioral health expert but it seemed pretty obv RL was bipolar.
Re: RFTT I wonder if Thomas was hurt for those shows? He has a pretty active stage presence IME
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Monday, 3 October 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
He was pretty hefty, and it looked like his knees were suffering. This was in NYC, whenever it was.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 October 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
On the plus side, after the show, Thomas stayed in his stage chair and personally sold RFTT CDs (possibly to circumvent that venue's policy of taking 20% of bands' CD sales). I probably wouldn't have bought one otherwise, but I'm glad I did (for getting to meet Thomas and for Lloyd's playing on the record).
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 3 October 2011 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
Is this the most underachieving band in the history of rock? You could make a strong argument. They had all the talent in the world, and one of the three or four best debut albums ever. But after 1977 it was all downhill, save for a handful of good songs.
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 3 October 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
For sure. There are some people that think the band started to go downhill before it even hit the studio!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 October 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
While I happily agree that MM stands at the apex of TV/Verlaine/Lloyd's output, statements like "all downhill save for a handful of good songs" srsly boggle my mind. I mean, tons of ppl say this, it's not a minority view at all. But I don't know how to reconcile it with what i hear...
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i just think that if you really like marquee moon, then you'll find plenty to love in the records that came after. do any of them reach the heights of MM? maybe not, but very few things do!
― tylerw, Monday, 3 October 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, like I said upthread, I love the '92 album as much as Adventure – two very good albums.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
the live album shows that adventure's problems were more bloodless production and not so much material (i think the adventure songs on the old waldorf just shine)
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
^ this
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
i dig the more textured approach on adventure's slower songs -- the fire, carried away, days, but yeah, the rockers come off way better live.
― tylerw, Monday, 3 October 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
i'd put "the dream's dream" old waldorf up against anything on marquee moon
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
otm, it's otherworldly.
― tylerw, Monday, 3 October 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
The first time I listed to the Old Waldorf show I wasn't looking at the track listing, and the segueway from "The Dream's Dream" into "Venus" blew me away.
― shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
Old Waldorf is basically the 2nd Television album as far as I'm concerned, everyone should own it.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
the rockers come off way better live.
Ain't That Nothin' in particular.
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 3 October 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
Richard Lloyd is 60 today. Happy birthday, dude.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 13:16 (twelve years ago) link
shine on you crazy diamond
― tylerw, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
Seconded
― R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
Happy birthday!
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
Aside, fun Verlaine stories from Steve Kilbey yesterday
when i was a kidi was scouring all the music ragslooking for the next big thingi read a small article on a band called televisionin a mag called rock sceneit was written by patti smithshe wrote about this guy tom verlaines handshow he was the kinda guy you’d wanna lose yer virginity to….over the next few years there were tantalising references constantlyall of em saying how this band were incrediblejohnny jewel a single (kinda strange but intriguing)and bits and pieces until in 1977 the first album came outof course it was called marquee moonand verily it was all they said it would bean incredible record34 years later todayi got an email from some guys watching televisions current progressco guitarist richard lloyd is outand some other guy jimmy rip is intheres a whole argument going down on youtuberichard lloyd weighing in slagging off tvfunny that people are interested in these ancient clashesi met tv in 1988he was opening for the church and peter murphyhe wanted to borrow my acoustic guitarit was a black guild ..it got stolen n broke my heartas soon as he played one note you could hear it was hima totally unique approach dare i say virtuosopk sometimes has this effect like a total understandinganyway tv was sposed to go on murphys busbut within one second tv had some falling out with murphand ended up on our bus for a whole tourhe started the night with a 30 minute setalone with an acoustic he was kinda ordinaryhe was very jokey in a bizarre way on and off stagehe was a total caffeine and nicotine man toohe was always wired tho he eschewed all other substancestelevision had been a huge influence on us allwe were all quite surprised n impressed to have tv with ushe treated me a bit like an annoying kid and i probably deserved iti blabbed on to him all day about television ..why i liked them…but he was bemused and sent me up a bitwe played monopoly for real money once on the busand tv bickered over the fuckin’ rules and argued the tosseeerrr kil-bee lets see uh this triple double in jail ruleuh i think this is an uh english rule and uh i aint goin’ to jail..how bizarre to be arguing monopoly rules with verlainesomewhere in dakota or wherever as we sped thru the nightas the tour progressed tv would come out each night and play with uswe did :you took and cortez the killer with 3 lead guitarists3 of the very best you can get toooffstage howevertv was an incredible stingy miser arguing over every last cent literallyeerrr uh kil-bee uh you should pay an extra 75 cents for your share of the friesthis was one of the complaints on the you tube vids toms meannesshe was never very complimentary about richard lloyd eitherlloyd didnt have anything to do with it if you listened to tvhe downplayed the guy right outta existenceit was unnecessary i thought to be so ungracious….one day off in houston we went to this placeit was 1988 and you could record your vocal over a cassette backingi sang my vocal over i left my heart in san francisco ( for DT)tv got some old country n western track n giggled n whispered n mutteredhe played it back to us convinced he’d found some new directionone night the phone rang in my roomeerr kil-bee eerr uh i’m down here in the bar with some divorceesand i was ah wondrin’ if uh you could uh take one off my hands …he was very charismatic and quite the ladies manevery night different women would seek him out backstagestrangely none seemed too bizarre for his tastehe had a little sweetie in every townone morning we checked in some place early on the east coastit was winter and snow lay on the groundtv suggested a walkand we hiked up this hill with a reservoir at the topit was 630 in the morning and we interrupted somethingcos suddenly about 10 big black guys were chasing usbaying for our bloodtv and i ran downhill into the woodstv was like a thoroughbred horse leaping thru the treesit was weird to be in such a pickle with a one time idolanyway the stuff that happened onstage when he joined us was magiche could coax a million sounds from a guitar trains and birdsand doppler effects and helicopters and guns ..anything..but you could never see exactly how he did it …he was a true geniuswe vaguely planned on recording together but his heart wasnt in itwe bickered over the financial details and that was iti dont believe it would have worked out anywaytv had some essential suspicious jokey sarcastic ny schtickit was hard to get through ithe insulted lembo who was trying to manage himand lembo couldnt see the financial gainas opposed to the grief n pain that managing tv would bringhe was ungrateful in spades and just incredibly penny pinchinglike a scrooge from brooklyn or somethingit was an unnerving mixturewe drifted apart after the tour i never saw him againmarty played on on of ’is solo recordsand the church did an insipid uninspired version of frictionfunny seeing tv on that show in portugal just filmed latelythat same old cagey grin that same old tom cat jivejesus what a characterha ha
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
hee heetoo bad verlaine and lloyd seem to loath each other. they sure sound good togetherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72GLZ-8zQEo
― tylerw, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
I was trying to think of the right way to describe Lloyd's place in Television, not a co-equal, not a sideman. When he first joined he's said he felt like George (with Hell and Verlaine as John and Paul), but once Hell split it's not like it was really Paul and George. Lloyd seems like the catalyst that made Verlaine's ideas work and turned them into something bigger. Which maybe Verlaine couldn't forgive him for, in a way.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno, it seems Lloyd kept the George role, whereas Verlaine and Smith did different than John and Paul.
or something.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
http://static.ow.ly/photos/normal/k1Cs.jpgsaw this in Denver this morning. don't know the band, would be tough to pull off Television, you'd have to have chops!
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 October 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
Hmm, over here they'd have to state, explicitly, that they are 'tribute' acts.
― Mark G, Thursday, 27 October 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
in tiny type, it says Wire Faces Performing As ... though I guess it doesn't say that it's tribute acts to blondie, talking heads et al. would be awesome if someone went to this tiny club thinking they were going to see the ramones, miraculously reunited.
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 October 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
Given the enduring popularity of Hot Topic Ramones & CBGB shirts, it wouldn't actually surprise me to see "The Ramones" -- Marky and a cast of young ringers -- touring state fairs sometime (like the version of Foghat I saw that had only the original drummer, Roger Earl.)
― Blue Doggie Sweater (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 27 October 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
Now you said that, I can just about read it. Usually that's the "Here Goldmid productions presents" line.
Obviously, that's a tribute to Harvey Goldsmith performing as a promoter.
― Mark G, Thursday, 27 October 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
not sure how they're going to play television songs with just three dudes
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 27 October 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
one of those dudes has four arms though. i read up a bit on them and i guess they're a little proggy? or at least mars volta-y. whatever, i'm not going.
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 October 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
― Blue Doggie Sweater (Dan Peterson), Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:27 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
he's been touring around playing a set of Ramones songs w/ a band called Marky Ramone's Blitzkrieg, which i think is totally fine and cool since he's not messing w/ the Ramones name or anything
― Metal Dennis Perrin (some dude), Thursday, 27 October 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link