a far more experienced artist/producer than me once heard me bemoaning my tendency to work on something, overcook it, then ditch it and all the attendant frustrations that that brought. his advice to me was: 'when a track collapses on you, you have to realise that it wasn't a complete waste of time. you're always learning from situations like this - you start to recognise the blind dead-end alleys before you go chuntering down them. it's not a quick process, but with time you get better at it.'
when i finally started finishing tracks to my satisfaction i realised how true that was. it can be soul destroying when tunes disintegrate or you get so bored that you HAVE to let go eventually and move onto something different, and this keeps happening over and over and over again, but you have to be strong and just keep throwing yourself at the wall. it will resolve itself. comfort yourself with the thought that you're chasing The Grail - artistic truth - a rare commodity these days, and while you may not go to the grave a materially rich person, you WILL ONE DAY achieve a level of personal fulfilment from your music that a whole host of multi-platinum selling cunts will neither know nor understand.
dissatisfaction is all part of the package. i've noted before that i'm trying to get tunes to the point where they don't irritate the bejesus out of me. it can be done.
remember that a work of art is never finished, only abandoned.
― john clarkson, Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 10 November 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 10 November 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link
just wanted to clear that up...
― john clarkson, Thursday, 10 November 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link
*of course that doesn't stop you wishing you'd done it differently later on, that unfortunate side-effect of getting better as a band/artist!
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 11 November 2005 08:07 (eighteen years ago) link
i think your definition is good to go doctor...
― john clarkson, Friday, 11 November 2005 08:50 (eighteen years ago) link
Obvious answer is 'cos I like it' but lets go a bit deeper. Way upthread n/a said *The band I'm in now was consciously created as a "pop band," as kind of a reaction to a more experimental band I was in before*. That struck me as interesting because I've never really made a big flip like this. Why did you do it? What was hard about it? What came naturally?
Also nabsico said 'back when I was making indie-rock songs with guitars'.
My own answer is that I play pop-punk and Factory/Fall-ish stuff for various reasons, mainly that this stuff mobilized me as a musician in the first place and I still feel at home with it over 25 yrs on. Maybe the feeling was so strong that I've never moved on. I might listen to King Tubby, Chic and Northern Soul as much as Joy Division and The Sex Pistols, but when I pick up a guitar, it just *comes out like that*. Also it's easy to sound good, and we're not great musicians. Competent enough maybe, but I can't do a good Nile Rodgers! Also, I'm not bothered about doing anything *new*, other than in the sense that I want to write the great songs within the parameters I've chosen. I'm not making much sense. Another factor is that I'm interested in live performance first, recorded work second. I'm afraid I'm not making a lot of sense, so I'll press pause for a while...
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 11 November 2005 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link
I joined a sample-based kraut hop band in the mid 90s because I wanted to do something more technologically aware after spending the early 90s in garage bands. I then started a girly power-pop band as a reaction to that. Post the girlband I started recording classical symphonies as a way of doing something totally different to anything else I'd done before.
Now I'm trying quite hard not to pay attention to genres when I write, except as a stylistic shorthand to a mood. I think it's better that way.
― Stress Pig (kate), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link