Headphone-induced TINNITUS

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Aren't bananas rich in Niacin? Seriously, aren't they?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 February 2003 02:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dunno. I know they have lots of potassium.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 22 February 2003 02:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I confuse the two.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 February 2003 02:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have tinnitus, too, and the only thing that helps is not to listen to loud music on headphones, and never to go into a show without earplugs. If I go into a show and realize that I've forgotten my earplugs, I leave. I'm not kidding around about my hearing. If I were to sit through a loud show, my ears would ring for a week, and they would always ring just a little bit more than they did before the show. I'm not too damaged, I don't think, but I fear silence. If you ever want to drive me crazy, lock me alone in a sound proof room.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 22 February 2003 03:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, and stay away from gin. I can drink most anything, but for some reason, gin alone makes my ears ring. Go fucking figure.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 22 February 2003 06:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Duly noted, Kenan....although I'm pretty much strictly a beer man.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 February 2003 08:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

ten months pass...
http://www.benzo.org.uk/images/bztani26.gif

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 23:26 (twenty years ago) link

"I thought I was getting tinnitus, but it turned out to be that Improvised Music From Japan boxed set. I turned off the CD player and since then I have had no problems with strange ringing noises in my ears."

--client testimonial

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 22 January 2004 00:50 (twenty years ago) link

har!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 22 January 2004 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
revive!

Yeah, I got it too. I was wondering if there was a thread about this since I was just discussing an unholy (like, fucking unbelievable)loud Unwound show on their thread.

There was a really good article in Tape Op about tinnitus a while back, just thought I'd throw that out since I didn't see it referenced here.

Last time I saw Mission Of Burma (summer '04) Roger Miller had these fancy noise-cancelling headphones.

And yeah, like others here, it only really bothers me when it's quiet.

Another thing that happens that I don't see mentioned is that sometimes it will get MUCH louder for a brief (30 seconds) period, like some kind of feedback. Then it drops down to its normal level.

I'm 39, so I guess my years of hardcore punk and industrial noise shows haven't fucked me up too much. Still, I feel stupid for not dealing with it sooner. Now I get earplugs from the chainsaw store and wear them.

Maybe someday they'll fix it with lasers like near-sightedness... we can only hope.

sleeve (sleeve), Thursday, 10 November 2005 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link

one thing that can help are antioxidants - when your ears encounter loud noise, the hairs release free radicals, i.e. unbound oxygen, which go around and wreak havoc and stuff. the antioxidants bind to the unbound oxygen and neutralize it. in fact, the marines or the army or something a while ago developed a pill that would eliminate the effects of ear ringing after target practice, and it was basically antioxidants - take them an hour to half hour before shooting and you'd be fine with no protection, if i recall correctly. not sure if they've released it to the general public, though.

daggerlee, Thursday, 10 November 2005 05:58 (eighteen years ago) link

here is the article
http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,61646,00.html

daggerlee, Thursday, 10 November 2005 06:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Jeez, I was gonna say "Sorry aboot your affliction Alex, wish I knew of a remedy", but evidently we're ALL in the same boat, to an extent. And yeah, I've got tinnitus myself, but happily just a mild case that I only notice in absolute silence. I mostly don't attend concerts anymore (downtown TO is 20 miles away & I don't drive), but I used cotton at the last few I attended. A Motorhead/Black Sabbath show at Toronto's acoustically atrocious Warehouse was the catalyst.

An interesting thing about headphones: Sometimes I'll be listening to an LP with the volume at a reasonable level, and the occasional song will be so shrill, practically painful, that I have to turn the volume WAY down, even tho the song in question is actually no louder nor (necessarily) higher pitched than the others. I'm assuming this happens when a song is in the key of "X", X likewise corresponding to the resonant frequency of the phones themselves. If that makes sense (wish I could explain it better.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 10 November 2005 09:46 (eighteen years ago) link

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count me in, forget where I posted about this here already. What I can say about acupuncture re:tinnitus is, the effect is just relaxation. You're less angry about the sound or it's like after a good night's sleep.

blunt (blunt), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I still have it (and probably always will). I take this stuff called, encouragingly, "Ring Stop," but honestly have no idea if it's doing anything (I can still hear the ring), but I think I've just grown used to it. I should probably be more careful, though, about headphone use (after it surfaced, I didn't touch a pair of headphones for two years) and in terms of going to shows -- I don't go to nearly as many as I used to, but I still should be vigilant about ear-plugs. Mercifully, it hasn't gotten worse for me, but it hasn't gone away either.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I've had it (in a mild form) as long as I can remember - not sure if it has to do with my constant headphone use since age 10, or ear infections I had as a kid.

I don't have a lot of hope for mechanical repair of hearing loss. Ears are a good deal more complicated than eyes.

Lukas (lukas), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

lately i get a feeling like having your ears boxed, when i'm listening to high frequencies - particularly if they are high percussive/popping sounds. its almost like i can feel the wave hitting my ear. it doesn't have to be very loud either.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

there's some hope, apparently

Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
and another iPod-era update, via Coolfer:

The string of articles that link the iPod to potential hearing loss is continued by a piece that quotes a Northwestern University audiologist. "We`re seeing the kind of hearing loss in younger people typically found in aging adults," said Dean Garstecki. "Unfortunately, the earbuds preferred by music listeners are even more likely to cause hearing loss than the muff-type earphones that were associated with the older devices." (my emphasis)

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/lifestyle/consumerhealth/article_1069663.php/iPod_and_MP3_listeners_should_lower_volume

sleeve (sleeve), Sunday, 18 December 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Unfortunately, the earbuds preferred by music listeners are even more likely to cause hearing loss than the muff-type earphones that were associated with the older devices.

Not only are earbuds placed directly into the ear, they can boost the sound signal by as much as six to nine decibels, said Garstecki.

"That`s the difference in intensity between the sound made by a vacuum cleaner and the sound of a motorcycle engine," said Garstecki.

First of all, if you're reading this board and haven't yet thrown away the rubbish earbuds that came with your iPod: you deserve the damage - just as much as the earplug-less rocket scientists that stand directly in front of the PA system (much less exposed to the sustained loud music coming at them from all directions) at [insert loud music events here] do.

Secondly, earbuds placed directly into the ear…can boost the sound signal by as much as six to nine decibels but only if you continue to unsafely listen to music too loudly using the disposable earbuds that came with your iPod (or any other sub-par pair, for that matter).

On the other hand, if you make a modest investment in your continued listening pleasure [read: forgo the next 10 CDs you planned to purchase and put that money toward entry-level, sound-isolating headphones from Shure or Etymotic], you'll reduce, if not eliminate, the ringing and/or damage lesser earbuds might otherwise inflict on your delicate/sensitive/irreplaceable eardrums.

Speaking from personal experience: After several years (and countless hours) of gym- and subway-use and the resultant/consequent/frequent ringing, I finally made the abovementioned sacrifice (CD-purchase abstinence for music-related, sound-isolating earbuds) and leapt from a pair of non-isolating SONY EX71SL’s to a pair of Shure E2c’s.

I went from listening to music unnecessarily loudly due to my futile attempts to block either the gym’s lousy/loud music or the subway’s din, to the E2c’s successful blocking of a majority of background noise which, in turn, allowed me to turn my volume down—way down now. For example, the I had regularly set the volume on my iPod at 80-90% of its maximum volume with the SONY earbuds to now setting it at about 50% with the Shures.

The Shure website indicates the E2c’s in ear design works like an earplug to block background noise naturally. This enables you to listen comfortably at lower volumes -- even in loud environments. I guess you could say they work as advertised.

No more ringing. No more loud music.

Although it definitely took a little time (less than a week) to adjust to the lower volume. I had grown so accustomed to high volume for satisfactory listening because consciously/sub-consciously, I'd been trying to block out outside noise by turning the volume up.

Blocking noise with more noise? Obviously I'm not a rocket scientist either.

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

How bad are walkmen/headphones for your hearing, really?

Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I use headphones a lot, but have thankfully been saved from that kind of problems. Usually I don't listen to music with really noisy and trebly guitar sound for a long while though, as I do notice my ears are having a hard time listening to it. For instance, I don't think I have ever listened through "Definitely Maybe" in its entirety using headphones.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

the earplug-less rocket scientists that stand directly in front of the PA system
I used to dance inside the fucking bass bins.

blunt (blunt), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

what we lacked in sense we made up for in bliss and it was fucking worth it

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Sunday, 25 December 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I've gone from 50% maximum volume on earbuds to 24% to 40%. Never can be too careful.

Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 26 December 2005 07:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Reuters Health follows-up on the above-cited Coolfer story and closes with the following paragraph:

Noise-canceling headphones are another option for those who desire to listen to music for an extended period of time. These devices, while a bit more costly and more visible than earbuds, partially or fully eliminate background noise so that users do not have to crank up the volume of their music for that purpose.

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Friday, 30 December 2005 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Pete Townshend writes about his headphone-induced hearing loss here:

http://www.petetownshend.co.uk/diary/display.cfm?id=231&zone=diary

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Friday, 30 December 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link


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