― Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 15 January 2006 04:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― bendy (bendy), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Sunday, 15 January 2006 07:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― James Slone's Debater, Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link
Yeah it does. Lots and lots and lots of college football fans and UT graduates around the country. Lots more than Dio fans, easy.
― George the Animal Steele, Monday, 16 January 2006 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 16 January 2006 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link
When was that? From the Sixities --> present?
Remember, the metal heads came to punk shows before punks made it to the metal shows
And how do you prove that one?
― George the Animal Steele, Monday, 16 January 2006 01:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― disco violence (disco violence), Monday, 16 January 2006 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― George the Animal Steele, Monday, 16 January 2006 02:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 16 January 2006 07:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 16 January 2006 07:28 (eighteen years ago) link
Then when they reacted - usually with relief that someone in Columbus wasn't hurling things at them and with a goat-throw back - I would then say, with a demonic look in my eyes, "HAIL SATAN!!!!"
They looked a might bit uncomfortable then.
Good times...
― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Monday, 16 January 2006 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― poop, Monday, 24 April 2006 02:21 (seventeen years ago) link
Metal wins.
― the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Monday, 24 April 2006 03:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 24 April 2006 06:17 (seventeen years ago) link
hail satan!
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 April 2006 07:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― js (honestengine), Monday, 24 April 2006 12:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 24 April 2006 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link
An intro to post-punk I made for my (awesome) metal-loving brother-in-law, that will bring world peace (amongst the punks and the metalheads):
https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/musicophilia_00_various_-_metalic_post-punk_1976-1985-cover-a.jpg?w=800
https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/musicophilia_00_various_-_metalic_post-punk_1976-1985-cover-b-1.jpg?w=800
Various – ‘Metallic Post-Punk’An Intro to Post-Punk for Metalheads (1976-1985)Part I[0:00:00] Wipers – “When It’s Over” (‘Youth of America’ 1981)[0:06:25] 100 Flowers – “Reject Yourself” (‘Hell Comes to Your House’ 1981)[0:08:55] Bauhaus – “Bela Lugosi’s Dead” (‘Bela Lugosi’s Dead’ EP 1979)[0:18:25] Cocteau Twins – “Shallow Then Halo” (‘Garlands’ 1982)[0:23:40] Glen Branca – “Structure” (‘The Ascension’ 1981)[0:26:40] Mission of Burma – “Trem Two” (‘Vs’ 1982)[0:30:50] Sonic Youth – “I Dreamed I Dream” (‘Sonic Youth’ EP 1982)[0:35:55] This Heat – “Horizontal Hold” (‘This Heat’ 1979)[0:42:50] Joy Division – “She’s Lost Control” (‘Unknown Pleasures’ 1979)[0:46:35] Comsat Angels – “Dark Parade” (‘Sleep No More’ 1981)[0:51:35] Pop Group – “Thief of Fire” (‘Y’ 1979)[0:56:10] Siouxsie & The Banshees – “Desert Kisses” (‘Kaleidoscope’ 1980)Part II[1:00:25] Dead Can Dance – “Mesmerism” (‘Spleen & Ideal’ 1985)[1:04:15] Dif Juz – “No Motion” (recorded 1985)[1:08:50] Einsturzende Neubauten – “Kollaps” (‘Kollaps’ 1981)[1:16:10] New Order – “Doubts Even Here” (‘Movement’ 1981)[1:20:25] Mx-80 – “Promise of Love” (‘Crowd Control’ 1981)[1:25:00] The Birthday Party – “The Friend Catcher” (‘Birthday Party’ 1982)[1:29:00] Pere Ubu – “FInal Solution” (‘Final Solution’ EP 1976)[1:33:55] Killing Joke – “Requiem” (‘Killing Joke’ 1980)[1:37:35] The Cure – “The Drowning Man” (‘Faith’ 1981)[1:42:30] Gang of Four – “Paralysed” (‘Solid Gold’ 1981)[1:45:45] The Ex – “Bouquet of Barbed Wire” (‘Tumult’ 1983)[1:52:05] Wire – “Mercy” (‘Chairs Missing’ 1978)Part III[1:57:50] Television – “Marquee Moon” (‘Marquee Moon’ 1977)[2:08:35] The Gordons – “Coalminers Song” (‘The Gordons’ 1981)[2:14:15] Talking Heads – “Drugs” (‘Fear of Music’ 1979)[2:19:15] Gary Numan – “Metal” (‘The Pleasure Principle’ 1979)[2:22:40] David Bowie – “Scary Monsters” (‘Scary Monsters’ 1980)[2:27:35] Les Vampyrettes – “Biomutanten” (‘Les Vampyrettes’ EP 1981)[2:31:30] Massacre – “As Is” (‘Killing Time’ 1981)[2:38:05] XTC – “Complicated Game” (‘Drums & Wires’ 1979)[2:42:55] Suicide – “Frankie Teardrop” (‘Suicide’ 1977)[2:53:15] This Mortal Coil – “Song to the Siren” (‘It’ll End In Tears’ 1984)[Total Time: 2:56:45]
Part I
[0:00:00] Wipers – “When It’s Over” (‘Youth of America’ 1981)[0:06:25] 100 Flowers – “Reject Yourself” (‘Hell Comes to Your House’ 1981)[0:08:55] Bauhaus – “Bela Lugosi’s Dead” (‘Bela Lugosi’s Dead’ EP 1979)[0:18:25] Cocteau Twins – “Shallow Then Halo” (‘Garlands’ 1982)[0:23:40] Glen Branca – “Structure” (‘The Ascension’ 1981)[0:26:40] Mission of Burma – “Trem Two” (‘Vs’ 1982)[0:30:50] Sonic Youth – “I Dreamed I Dream” (‘Sonic Youth’ EP 1982)[0:35:55] This Heat – “Horizontal Hold” (‘This Heat’ 1979)[0:42:50] Joy Division – “She’s Lost Control” (‘Unknown Pleasures’ 1979)[0:46:35] Comsat Angels – “Dark Parade” (‘Sleep No More’ 1981)[0:51:35] Pop Group – “Thief of Fire” (‘Y’ 1979)[0:56:10] Siouxsie & The Banshees – “Desert Kisses” (‘Kaleidoscope’ 1980)
Part II
[1:00:25] Dead Can Dance – “Mesmerism” (‘Spleen & Ideal’ 1985)[1:04:15] Dif Juz – “No Motion” (recorded 1985)[1:08:50] Einsturzende Neubauten – “Kollaps” (‘Kollaps’ 1981)[1:16:10] New Order – “Doubts Even Here” (‘Movement’ 1981)[1:20:25] Mx-80 – “Promise of Love” (‘Crowd Control’ 1981)[1:25:00] The Birthday Party – “The Friend Catcher” (‘Birthday Party’ 1982)[1:29:00] Pere Ubu – “FInal Solution” (‘Final Solution’ EP 1976)[1:33:55] Killing Joke – “Requiem” (‘Killing Joke’ 1980)[1:37:35] The Cure – “The Drowning Man” (‘Faith’ 1981)[1:42:30] Gang of Four – “Paralysed” (‘Solid Gold’ 1981)[1:45:45] The Ex – “Bouquet of Barbed Wire” (‘Tumult’ 1983)[1:52:05] Wire – “Mercy” (‘Chairs Missing’ 1978)
Part III
[1:57:50] Television – “Marquee Moon” (‘Marquee Moon’ 1977)[2:08:35] The Gordons – “Coalminers Song” (‘The Gordons’ 1981)[2:14:15] Talking Heads – “Drugs” (‘Fear of Music’ 1979)[2:19:15] Gary Numan – “Metal” (‘The Pleasure Principle’ 1979)[2:22:40] David Bowie – “Scary Monsters” (‘Scary Monsters’ 1980)[2:27:35] Les Vampyrettes – “Biomutanten” (‘Les Vampyrettes’ EP 1981)[2:31:30] Massacre – “As Is” (‘Killing Time’ 1981)[2:38:05] XTC – “Complicated Game” (‘Drums & Wires’ 1979)[2:42:55] Suicide – “Frankie Teardrop” (‘Suicide’ 1977)[2:53:15] This Mortal Coil – “Song to the Siren” (‘It’ll End In Tears’ 1984)
[Total Time: 2:56:45]
Download/stream here: http://bit.ly/metalpostpunk
― Soundslike, Saturday, 5 September 2020 08:23 (three years ago) link
That's not a bad compilation there.
As a metalhead whose second favorite genre came to become post-punk, I would have to add some things that helped my gateway to heaven:
Bush Tetras - "Too Many Creeps"The Cult - "Spiritwalker"Anything by DevoThe Feelies - most of Crazy RhythmsFlipper - most of Generic FlipperAlmost anything by Lords of the New ChurchMagazine - "Shot by Both Sides"New Model ArmyTons by Nick CavePublic Image Ltd - "Public Image"Romen Void "Never Say Never"A ton of shit by Sisters of MercySex Gang Children - "Sebastiane"The Slits "Typical Girls"Wall of Voodoo" - "Mexican Radio" (which I heard on WHFS in DC before Celtic Frost's legendary cover)
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 5 September 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link
love punk and post-punk, have pretty much zero interest in metal aside from some "metal-influenced" stuff (e.g. Blind Idiot God) and artsy hipster BM like Monoliths And Dimensions. I realize this is probably my loss, but life is short and there's a lot of other music I want to hear still.
― sleeve, Saturday, 5 September 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
I know basically nothing about metal, other than that I missed out on the popular/mainstream of it as a tween and teen when my friends liked it, and that the things I like I've heard have been more recent, arty stuff that seems to deconstruct/expand the genre in ways I imagine purists don't love. But I'm hoping this mix will inspire some people to make recommendations in the inverse: metal for people who like post-punk.
― Soundslike, Saturday, 5 September 2020 20:58 (three years ago) link
I've mixed lots of those elsewhere, and had a number of them in my "maybe" cull folder that I just never found a spot for in the sequence (i.e. Flipper, PiL, Slits, Romeo Void, Bush Tetras, all of whom I love).
― Soundslike, Saturday, 5 September 2020 21:01 (three years ago) link
Punk vs metal is like, too vague.
neither are monolithic. I like hardcore punk better than power metal, I like death metal better than I like pop-punk, I like black metal better than I like cowpunk, etc etc
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 5 September 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link
a lot of my favorite metal is very indebted to punk
I feel like almost any post-thrash metal, i.e. virtually everything that is considered metal by contemporary standards, is, tbh? Am I missing something?
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 September 2020 23:45 (three years ago) link
I got sent a promo download of the super deluxe box of Motörhead's Ace of Spades, so I was listening to the two live concerts from 1981, and obviously they get talked about a lot as a bridge between punk and metal, but in those years they were so much more than that. They were faster than any band short of Discharge, and Lemmy's bass sound was absolutely monstrous. They must have sounded like the end of the world.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 23:50 (three years ago) link
Xpost i could see kids who grew up in the 90s or 00s bypassing the punk influence and just imitating their fav bands directly
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:22 (three years ago) link
Oh, yeah, but, what I meant was the thing they're imitating has punk in its DNA.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:24 (three years ago) link
i think the answer is skateboarding
― sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:32 (three years ago) link
xp sleeve -- not even Iron Maiden??? who seem to be the token "old school" metal fave of punk lovers in their 40s and 50s?
― sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:35 (three years ago) link
fwiw I am a punk lover in my 40s who likes a lot of metal but I don't like Iron Maiden
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:39 (three years ago) link
but Motorhead was probably the way I got over thinking "metal sucks"
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:40 (three years ago) link
also while I'm here, great mix Soundslike
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:43 (three years ago) link
xp - Colonel -- maybe it's more of an American thing?? idk ... like so many dudes I know who were punk teens and "matured" to being post-punk / indie dads will rep for Maiden but very little other metal of that era (ok, Maiden and Slayer) ... but maybe it's just the t-shirts? ... It's kinda the flipside of metal dudes of a similar age who think punk sucks but will rep for Misfits and Suicidal Tendencies idk
― sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:53 (three years ago) link
Slayer is probably a better example over here. I do see a fair amount of Slayer t-shirts at hardcore gigs. And I do like Slayer.
I think it's just that I'm not that into most of the big NWOBHM bands outside of Motorhead, Girlschool and Venom. Most of the 80s metal I like is from 84ish onwards and that's probably not a coincidence that the punk influence increased around that time tbh
I do know a much more punk guy than me who likes Iron Maiden tho tbf
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:23 (three years ago) link
Maiden was a huge chart pop band in the UK, right? So it would be kind of like repping for Motley Crue or someone in North America? I wonder if that makes the difference.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:26 (three years ago) link
This is wild: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Maiden_discography#Singles
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:28 (three years ago) link
yeah maybe? they were definitely massive and had top 10 hits. but they seem to be doing something different to the stuff I like so I'm not sure it's just some kind of ew no too mainstream thing
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:30 (three years ago) link
I am living this thread right now though, just now I was listening to Vio-lence (80s thrash metal) now I'm listening to Cadenaxo (hardcore punk from this year)
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:33 (three years ago) link
one of the bands that got a lot of my punk/hardcore friends and i into metal was Power Trip (RIP Riley Gale)
― flopson, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:33 (three years ago) link
Power Trip were great, I never saw them but I love that crossover sound and that guy seemed to be such an all round dude, it's really sad
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:35 (three years ago) link
I definitely feel like the premise of this is weird, esp. now and I feel like anyone (in America at least) born after say, 1976, is going to have grown up with popular bands that fuse punk and metal, which makes it difficult to even define in musical terms, which leaves us either with sub-genre affiliation or social ones.
― sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:38 (three years ago) link
like I remember seeing Nirvana in early 1991, and thinking, as a 16 year-old wearing my favorite joy division t-shirt and punk jacket and combat boots, "wow, I like this metal band!" ... but then apparently they were also considered "punk" (i.e. The Year That Punk Broke).
― sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:40 (three years ago) link
Yeah, totally.xp
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:42 (three years ago) link
hmm. I mean I was born in 1976 but I never thought Nirvana were metal
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:43 (three years ago) link
I hadn't heard of them before -- they were the opening band at a rare 16+ club night I went to a few months after I turned 16 lol.
― sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:45 (three years ago) link
serious answer is even through the 90s to me metal seemed to be a totally different scene to punk/indie whether that was in my head or in reality, it was this other thing
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:45 (three years ago) link
not saying there weren't differences -- just like, the music that is "popular" like ... what you'd hear on the radio or see on MTV as say, a 13 year old ... the music that was "metal" and the music that was "punk" had intermingled more in the 90s onward than say prior to that? idk again, maybe American thing.
― sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:49 (three years ago) link
actually, I think I'm just gonna walk that back and stick to the i don't know and "it really depends on how you define each one" position.
― sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:50 (three years ago) link
though i stick to my assertion about skateboarding as a factor in the intermingling.
― sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:51 (three years ago) link
no I think we did have that here but I think more towards the end of the decade, and probably not really stuff I was into tbh
― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:53 (three years ago) link
nirvana were seen by kerrang readers as metal (except by the people who didnt like them)
indie weekly mags saw them as indie. Manic Street Preachers also straddled both. As did anything grunge really.
Wasnt til later really that rock/metal were seen as separate things.
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:53 (three years ago) link
your punk knowledge is very impressive to me, Colonel, just fyi ... like, seriously, I bow down
― sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link
It wasn't exactly uncommon for folk to have sabbath,zep,purple, pistols, ramones, metallica, killing joke, megadeth, the cult, the mission, sisters of mercy, ac/dc,motorhead,maiden, whitesnake ,priest, slayer, janes addiction and nirvana in their collections.
esp when bands like metallica and megadeth played punk songs live
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:57 (three years ago) link
colonel poo is the daddy
i forgot faith no more in that list.
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:58 (three years ago) link
and g n' r
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:59 (three years ago) link
skid row covering ramones got a few of my younger pals into them actually.
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 02:02 (three years ago) link
Infact I can pinpoint the moment young kids stopped listening to the older heavy rock bands here. It was nu metal where anything traditional was seen as old fashioned.
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link
I remember seeing Jello Biafra speak in 2000. He praised someone in the crowd for having the 'courage' to wear a Metallica T-shirt with a punk spiked jacket. It seemed strange to me bc I had never known anyone who wore spiked jackets that disliked Metallica.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 September 2020 02:09 (three years ago) link
I think Megadeth's version of "Anarchy in the UK" might have been the first one I heard.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 September 2020 02:10 (three years ago) link
i think Motley Crue covered it too?
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 02:16 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/UWIVUCg_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Sunday, 6 September 2020 02:52 (three years ago) link
fwiw I saw Jello Biafra speak in 2015 and he criticized the staff at 924 Gilman for losing the actual vinyl record of "Little Marcie sings to ($1.98) Children" and only having the album sleeve lying around ... it is a classic album of the creepy christian ventriloquist genre tbh.
― sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 03:12 (three years ago) link
Creepy Christian ventiloquists are p metal.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 September 2020 03:24 (three years ago) link
My rule of thumb: are the vocals obnoxious? If the answer is an unqualified 'yes', then it's punk.
― pomenitul, Monday, 14 September 2020 20:52 (three years ago) link