Eno/Byrne's My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts Reissued?

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I think it's QUITE unfunky and workaday (I vastly prefer The Catherine Wheel; Sparkle OTM upthread). Xgau's review is on-point:

"Something fishy's going on when unassuming swell-heads like these dabblers start releasing their worktapes. As cluttered and undistinguished as the MOR fusion and prog-rock it brings to the mind's ear, this album has none of the songful sweep of Remain in Light or the austere weirdness of Jon Hassell, and the vocal overlays only intensify its feckless aura. C+"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 3 September 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

"dabblers."

That's rich. Xgau has never been more off point.

original plagiarist (Da ve Segal), Sunday, 4 September 2005 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, he loved Remain in Light and The Catherine Wheel.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I've always enjoyed The Catherine Wheel, but more as pleasant listening than awe-inspiring head music. I have had zero luck getting a copy of Jerry Harrison's The Red And The Black from the same time period. I can't even find it on Slsk. How is it?

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Sunday, 4 September 2005 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

'The Red and The Black' is definitely the weakest of the four Talking Heads-related albums released in 1981, but it still has some good moments. It's half way between Talking Heads and the Urban Verbs, to make an easy comparison. A little over-ambitious sometimes.

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 4 September 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Throughout 1982 Talking Heads peformed tunes from Catherine Wheel, Big Business, My Big Hands and poss a few others.

mzui (mzui), Sunday, 4 September 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"What a Day That Was" from The Catherine Wheel was on Stop Making Sense and the DVD featured "Big Business" in the extras.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Ian Matos Alfred all stupid/ugly (Alfred isn't boring actually)

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe Chcuk doesn't like it easy, I can't see how it could be as kickinly disco as the third Krokus rec say

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

There are arguments on both sides for this that I'm sure I've made elsewhere on ILM. Regardless, the worktapes of these worktapes are interesting, and I'd like to hear them in better sound quality.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Ian Matos Alfred all stupid/ugly (Alfred isn't boring actually)
-- A Viking of Some Note (andrew.thame...), September 5th, 2005

But I AM ugly.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 5 September 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
So is this still on for early 2006? Remastered? Extra tracks? Anybody?

StanM (StanM), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Musictap has this news today:

It appears that Nonesuch will revisit the classic Brian Eno/David Byrne album, My Life in the Bush of Ghosts. But wait..there's definitely more. This will be an expanded version. I don't know about you but that was one of my favourite albums for quite a long time. In fact, I still listen to it from time to time, so you already know what a madman I'm going to be awaiting this one. Someone straitjacket me. My Life In the Bush of Ghosts arrives on March 28. Watch these pages for info as it becomes available.

StanM (StanM), Friday, 10 February 2006 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Great news! I wonder if they will include "Qu'ran" on this one (my CD version has it), or would its inclusion be more controversial than ever?

Joe (Joe), Friday, 10 February 2006 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

from talking-heads.net:

"The CD contains remastered versions of the original album tracks (sans "Qu'ran", which was only available on the first issues of the album and removed for later pressings because of sampled parts from the Quran) plus previously unreleased bonus tracks:

1. America Is Waiting
2. Mea Culpa
3. Regiment
4. Help Me Somebody
5. The Jezebel Spirit
6. Very, Very Hungry
7. Moonlight in Glory
8. The Carrier
9. A Secret Life
10. Come with Us
11. Mountain of Needles

Bonus tracks:
12. Pitch to Voltage
13. Two Against Three
14. Vocal Outtakes
15. New Feet
16. Defiant
17. Number 8 Mix
18. Solo Guitar with Tin Foil

When MLITBOG was originally released, a bootleg LP surfaced with some unreleased tracks (including the original version of "Jezebel Spirit" with Kathrin Kuhlman smaples) and alternative versions with weird titles. It's not sure if these tracks are featured on the new CD or if this is 'new' unreleased material."

weekly handle change (haitch), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:27 (eighteen years ago) link

i love that album. intellectual it is but what is bad about that? it's dense stuff, ahead of its time, ahead of any time. the way it melds tribal, authentic, ancient music with what was modern music at the time is as breathtaking today as it was at the time. breathtaking btw is a song i can never get enough of. it is something like the incarnation of the fruitful marriage of the cultures. clash of civilisations is so 911.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i meant regiment. there has been a confusion somewhere in my brain.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

The cover for the reissue:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000E5N634.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

telephone thing, Friday, 10 February 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuck, this is good news.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

So. So. Excited.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 11 February 2006 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

what are they changing the cover for?? morans.

weekly handle change (haitch), Saturday, 11 February 2006 05:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the changed cover! You know you're getting the new version.

kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 11 February 2006 06:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Agreed on "Regiment," in particular--although discovering the "Music in the World of Islam" album that the vocals were lifted from kinda opened my eyes too.

Douglas (Douglas), Saturday, 11 February 2006 07:39 (eighteen years ago) link

BTW, get the old versions while you still can -- it appears "Qu'ran" won't be on this one. Verrrrrrry interesting, that...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 11 February 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

As interesting as the other times it's been left off?

kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 11 February 2006 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link

It finally occurred to me to slsk "Qu'ran" yesterday, duh, years after selling my original vinyl. Just as good as I remember it being.

pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 11 February 2006 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

The album is still no fun to listen to.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 11 February 2006 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

go put on a late-period Wham record, alfred

there were four non-album tracks on the original bootleg, including the Kuhlman version of 'jezebel spirit' (and I'd be surprised if that track is one of these new tracks). so there's lots of new stuff here, even for those who already have the lo-fidelity bootleg.

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 12 February 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Heard this last week. Still prefer The Catherine Wheel and Remain in Light, and, Milton, yes, Wham is more rewarding.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 12 February 2006 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

As interesting as the other times it's been left off?

Well, I've got both "Q'uran" and "Very, Very Hongro" on my version and it's not like the disc I have is some Holy Grail -- it's just the normal Sire edition. I was wondering if it might've had something to do--oh, I dunno--with the fact that it's 2006, there's a perceived war against Islam going on, and the likes of France and Denmark are being burned to the ground.

The thing about Bush of Ghosts is that it's exactly what the fanboys say it is and what the critics gripe about as well. Which is to say that it's this largely unprecedented fusion of musics and cultures while also being a tinny, unholy mashup that isn't the sum of its parts.

I'd argue that latter part of that probably wasn't intentional--there's no denying it does sound like it was thrown together by a couple of nerdy white guys who know their electronics a hell of a lot better than they do their African music--but the record is more about authenticity than it is authentic. I mean, fuck taking "Music in the World of Islam" or Dunya Yusin without permission -- the whole Bush of Ghosts concept was thieved from Jon Hassell!

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 12 February 2006 07:58 (eighteen years ago) link

The Eno-Hassell collab made the same year is a much more fruitful listen.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 12 February 2006 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

WTF are you still doing on this thread? You've now told us you don't like this album, what, eight times in total?

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

the whole Bush of Ghosts concept was thieved from Jon Hassell!

Holger Czukay might have something to say about that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Alfred is looking for the Eno/Byrne's My Life in the Bush of Ghosts Unfortunately Reissued

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the idea of unfortunately reissued ghosts. You figure they've finally been put to bed via an exorcism and then you're all, "The hell? Back to the tomb, you."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

there were four non-album tracks on the original bootleg

Talking-heads.net has this info on that bootleg:

My Life in the Bush of Ghosts outtakes (45 min) (CD “Ghosts”)

Interview with Brian Eno - Mea Culpa - Into the Spirit Womb (orig version of “The Jezebel Spirit”) - Regiment - The Friends of Amos Tutuola - America is Waiting - The Carrier - Very Very Hungry - On the Way to Zagora - Les Hommes ne le Sauront Jamais - A Secret Life - Come With Us - Mountain of Needles

But there seems to be yet another version(scroll down) with these extra tracks (was that pink thing the cover of the first edition?) :

- Cunning Tendacy (sic)
- interview
- Iron Bed
- Late But Not Serious
- Lot (= Into the spirit womb = the jezebel spirit original)
- The Carrier (about a minute longer, extra vocals in the middle)

(found these online, so they do exist) - I presume this second one is also a bootleg?

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I adore Bush of Ghosts, but I have a hard time touting its 'historical relevance' - things were definitely done 'first' on that LP, but how many people were listening at the time?

*cough*

I listened to this album over and over when it came out. Now I wouldn't exactly call it horrible, but I don't think it's very good. It mostly is of historical interest, without deserving any lost classic status. Also, I think this was a case where having heard Eno providing background on the source material in an interview contributed a lot to my enthusiasm for the record.

If you want to hear recitation of the Qur'an, it's not hard to find recordings. Putting a lame rhythm track underneath does not improve it (though I am a little sad it is being left off the album under pressure--see the Danish Muhammad Cartoon thread). I prefer solo recitation, rather than the sort of group recitation that appears on the samples on this album. (The latter really seems to be more about communal worship, while the solo recordings tend to have more artistry to them.)

Samira Tewfic is on this too, though I only properly discovered her in 1993/4. Now there's someone who needs to be reissued, seriously.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

The original cover as I saw it (unless this turns out to be a red x or a "FORBIDDEN" sign):

http://kikka.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/images/enobyrne2.jpg

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

So the new cover looks like it could be a scrambled version of footage from the same video, judging by the colors, which seems like a pretty good idea for a reissue cover.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

(Setting the Qur'an to music is pretty forbidden. Marcel Khalife was taken to court in Lebanon for setting to music a poem that contained a couple lines from the Qur'an. I think the case what thrown out though. But they do have blasphemy laws there, I believe, or religious offense laws, or something like that. You have to understand, this was a bit of a surprise since Khalife has generally been on good terms with Muslims in Lebanon (and in general) for his pro-Palestinian stance. He was even something of a Hizbollah supporter, though I'm not sure he still is.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Other than the first African Head Charge & Kate Bush's The Dreaming, what other records are expicitly responses to/influenced by this?
Got the demos on Canal St back in 85 on cassette, can't wait to hear the reissue.
Qur'an was taken off the record years ago, I doubt current events had anything to do with it.

Nick Holmes (nother), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i just got a really clean vinyl copy of this for 6.75 yesterday....what a great record....amazing, can't believe it took me so long to hear it.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

what other records are expicitly responses to/influenced by this?

I tend to associate all those evangelist-sampling songs (stuff like Front 242) that were popular a little bit later with this record, not that there is necessarily a direct line of influence. (I'm sure you could find earlier examples.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Other than the first African Head Charge & Kate Bush's The Dreaming, what other records are expicitly responses to/influenced by this?

Shocklee/Bomb Squad, mentioned upthread.

Qur'an was taken off the record years ago, I doubt current events had anything to do with it.

Based on looking at Amazon, I believe it was taken off the second edition vinyl issue, put back on the first CD, and taken off again more recently. BTW, here's an odd tidbit for a little perspective, courtesy of an Amazon reviewer:

'I initially heard of it thanks to a recommendation by Pink Floyd's keyboardist Richard Wright, in a 1996 interview given to Record Collector Magazine.
Mr. Wright (who incidentally also thinks highly of Remain in Light) describes his first reaction to the album, presumably on its initial release: "This knocked me sideways when I first heard it--full of drum loops, samples and soundscapes, stuff that we really take for granted now, but which was unheard of in all but the most progressive musical circles at the time."'

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 12 February 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

FYI, bootleg comparisons:

cunning tendacy = on the way to zagora
iron bed = the friends of amos tutuola
late but not serious = les homes ne sauront jamais
into the spirit womb = lot = the jezebel spirit (original)

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 12 February 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

what other records are explicitly responses to/influenced by this?

For better or worse, Moby's Play.

Deluxe (Damian), Sunday, 12 February 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

For those who are interested, I uploaded a bunch of those outtake/bootleg mp3s here: http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3GAGWV12F38EN245TKM9RTCZ1F

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 13 February 2006 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

>the whole Bush of Ghosts concept was thieved from Jon Hassell!

like Ned hinted at, Hassell does not have the copyright on cross-cultural tape collage -- Czukay / Dammers' 'Canaxis' 1968, Richard Maxfield's 'Bacchanale', 1963, and James Tenney's 'Viet Flakes' 1967, all worth mentioning in reviews if you're going to get archival on us -- none of those are pop, though even there there's precedent in Czukay's 'Movies' from 1979.

Hassell overstates his case, he already had amazing solo records out & there's no confusion as to who was doing what, though yeah it would have been great if he'd been in on the sessions for this record.

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 13 February 2006 00:32 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah, Stockhausen's 'Hymnen' / 'Telemusik' too though I think the above pieces made their point more effectively

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 13 February 2006 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Naive, can't wait to hear 'em again.

Nick Holmes (nother), Monday, 13 February 2006 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Well to a certain extent it's a "recontextualization" for anyone from one culture to perform the songs of a geographically distant other culture. I mean if a folk singer sang a coal mine song at Carnegie Hall, it wouldn't have mattered how true to the tradition he was because he'd have been singing it in Carnegie Hall and not in a coal mine.

I'd venture that the difference between Harrison and Byrne in this case has more to do with the type of "recontextualization" they're interested in -- with Harrison it seems like it had more to do with experimentation and spirituality, with Byrne it seems to be more about anxiety and dislocation.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 27 April 2006 03:33 (seventeen years ago) link

http://bush-of-ghosts.com/remix/bush_of_ghosts.htm

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, looks like I joined this party wayyy too late for the YSI files -- any chance anybody would want to email me the mp3s of the deleted "Qu'ran" and "Jezebel Spirit"?

.... pretty please....?

Pober Saltine, Thursday, 11 May 2006 06:44 (seventeen years ago) link

You're not allowed to ask that any more, unfortunately.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 11 May 2006 06:53 (seventeen years ago) link

George Harrison was actually a fairly decent player - nowhere near the way that Hindustani classical players can play, but I think the Beatles used sitar well and he wrote some good songs after having studied No. Indian classical music some. Mike Heron of the Incredible String Band was also a decent player.

How is this album a more "intelligent" use of world music elements?

-- Tim Ellison (thefriendlyfriendlybubbl...), April 26th, 2006.

This is only tangentially related, but Jon Pareles and David Lewiston (Nonesuch Explorer series dude) were just on Soundcheck on WNYC talking about what "world music" is and George Harrison figured heavily in the discussion. The really interesting bits, though, are the parts where Lewiston talks about his first trip to Bali to record gamelan music:

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/soundcheck/episodes/2006/05/10

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 11 May 2006 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

six years pass...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WSwpm0N8yMA/T8TAFLnG1mI/AAAAAAAAANY/tEZrq_u-Wxw/s1600/scan0001.jpg

http://mywalloftapes.blogspot.com/2012/05/life.html

still hissy, mastered very quiet, but still, better fidelity than the Ghosts bootleg

Milton Parker, Monday, 11 June 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

Unfortunately, that's gone.

I recently pulled this out again as I got interested in finding out how Eno was using his AMS DMX delay box to do the cut-up vocals on this (that's been unsuccessful).

But a few days ago, I found an interview from 1980 with Eno in which he talks about MLitBoG a bit -- and plays a few rough mixes he'd done of "America Is Waiting" (sans vocals, which he calls "Garbage Disco"), "Mea Culpa" (just the synth arpeggio and vocals), and a very early version of "The Carrier" (I think -- I get some of those tracks on the second side mixed up). Pretty interesting stuff:

http://ubu.com/sound/eno.html

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 8 November 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

oh, cool, think i've just heard an excerpt of that interview. thanks!

tylerw, Thursday, 8 November 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

Rough mixes supposedly from a cassette Byrne gave to a guy when he was living in Alphabet City in the late 70s/early 80s. By far the best quality boots I've heard of this material.

http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=1121

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 9 November 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

Holy shit, this sound pretty familiar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIas_yxduDw

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Admittedly late but what am I missing here, Josh? Is that supposed to be a groove Eno and Byrne appropriated?

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 31 March 2017 13:46 (seven years ago) link

Kind of reminiscent of Regiment?

PURE, BEAUTIFUL OIL (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 05:02 (seven years ago) link

No resemblance at all. A groove's a groove's a groove.

Max Florian, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 09:54 (seven years ago) link

five months pass...

So this is being reissued again, on vinyl this time, with additional bonus tracks:

http://hhhhappy.com/my-life-in-the-bush-of-ghosts-set-for-vinyl-reissue-with-new-surprises/

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 14 September 2017 04:54 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

that's really interesting, thanks!

thinkmanship (sleeve), Thursday, 11 August 2022 17:12 (one year ago) link

The Rolling Stone article mentioned towards the end is fascinating as well:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/my-life-in-the-bush-of-ghosts-252823/

I was expecting "sampling isn't real music" but it's a lot more nuanced, and encapsulates all of the criticisms that were levelled at world music many years later. Eno and Byrne just brush it off in their article.

So, I guess people from the past weren't a bunch of stupid racists after all. It also reminds me that I haven't read anything at all by Marshall McLuhan. He was huge before I was born, but when I was young it was all No Logo and whatever else you were supposed to pretend to read to be hip. McLuhan was a bit old-hat back then. I learn from the internet that he wasn't a real Marshall. That was just his name.

Ashley Pomeroy, Thursday, 11 August 2022 19:30 (one year ago) link

I never thought that Pareles review was able to land a convincing blow. Like: "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts does make me wonder, though, how Byrne or Eno would react if Dunya Yusin spliced together a little of 'Animals' and a bit of 'The Paw Paw Negro Blowtorch,' then added her idea of a suitable backup. Does this global village have two-way traffic?"... Is he really suggesting he thinks they'd be upset? Seems like they would each have died to hear what that would have sounded like!

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 11 August 2022 19:47 (one year ago) link

No Dunya Younes albums on Spotify

curmudgeon, Friday, 12 August 2022 15:52 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR715ql1-Fk

MaresNest, Friday, 24 March 2023 19:55 (one year ago) link

that is awesome

tylerw, Friday, 24 March 2023 20:14 (one year ago) link


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