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Ariel Pink for president! Just think of the ecology! The electricity savings! The thrift!

Momus (Momus), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Revive to profess my undying love for Worn Copy. Even though this was apparently released on a CD-R at one point, will this still count as a 2005 release?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 7 April 2005 07:17 (fourteen years ago) link


jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 7 April 2005 09:12 (fourteen years ago) link

"House Arrest" is still by far his catchiest and most consistent album. I can't really get into worn copy much past the point where he declares that "mankind is a nazi"

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Apparently, the person who originally realeased House Arrest is not allowing Paw Tracks to reissue it.

mitch dub (ano ano), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link

That blows. Between "Alisa", "West Coast Calamities", "Gettin' High in the Morning", and "Interesting Results" it's probably the best bedroom pop album this decade will see.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link


noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link

xypost: But that's just after the first few minutes!!!

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I know. hopefully the rest of the album will grow on me at some point, but after listening to worn copy 6 or 7 times, the second half of trepanated earth is the only thing on it that i really like.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link


noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link

The free track on the paw tracks website isn't a patch on anything on Doldrums

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link

down at the creepshow...

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
This is an incredible bit of music. Absolutely baffling but all the more wonderful.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:58 (fourteen years ago) link

It's like the music you hear in your head just as you're drifting out of consciousness with classic rock radio on.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:14 (fourteen years ago) link

So... classic rock through a drainpipe, then, and then irritation that it's not LETTING you drift out of consciousness, and then silence?

I've still not heard 'Ariel Pink'.

The fact that 'lo-fi' has been used NINE ZILLION TIMES in this thread with barely any answers...

... doesn't appeal.

But perhaps I am KNEE JERKING?!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:29 (fourteen years ago) link

When I think of low-fi, I always think of stuff done on cheap instruments and played very badly on purpose. This is stuff played on good equipment, written and played beautifully and then recorded on the cheapest equipment possible.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes but what are his INFLUENZAS!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link

70s and 80s rock/pop. Lots of Roxy Music, Lennon, Bowie, Talking Heads, New Wave etc.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

and R. Stevie Moore

naturemorte, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Guided by Voices if they grew up listening to '80s pop radio instead of 60s and 70s classic rock. Plus he actually finishes the songs he writes.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link

The Cure are his biggest influence

i like The Doldrums A LOT, Worn Copy though, i don't know. It's not as catchy maybe, except for ' Jules Lost His Jewels'

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link

dude, rizzx, you GOTTA get House Arrest. it's his best work to date.
also, dog latin, about the "played on good equipment" bit, when i saw him saturday night his keyboard player was playing a pretty shitty yamaha.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

ah i have that on my HD, together with another album, something with Lovers? Don't know, but I'll listen to House Arrest as soon as i get home. Pink's the man. not very listenable on car stereo though

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link

are all his CD-Rs going to be re-released eventually? He's got, like, 50+ or something, yes? Worn Copy is the shit..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link

"Apparently, the person who originally realeased House Arrest is not allowing Paw Tracks to reissue it.

-- mitch dub (w!mbis...), April 7th, 2005."
im not aware of the 50+ though.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link

someone was probably exaggerating..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link

It felt like 50+.

Andre Dawson (deangulberry), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not sure.

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 5 May 2005 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

not anymore.

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 5 May 2005 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yes I am.

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 9 May 2005 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
House Arrest!

In LA Weekly article, he says he has "easily 200" cassettes lying around of albums and "masters".

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm sure his parents don't appreciate him leaving all those tapes around the house.

account settings (account), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:43 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
So, has anyone seen him live yet?

He's playing Knitting Factory on Friday I think; just wondering what the hell he's gonna do with himself on stage.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 23 February 2006 01:12 (fourteen years ago) link

haven't seen him live but "life in l.a." is truly one of my summer 2005 anthems.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 23 February 2006 01:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Going in a few minutes. Interested to see how he works in his guest backing band.

Nigel (Nigel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 03:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Plz report back, soldier.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 23 February 2006 03:36 (fourteen years ago) link

im guna go see him at 14 below!

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 23 February 2006 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link

In Seattle it was just him and his 8-track, apparently. I really wish he would get a competent live band going.

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Thursday, 23 February 2006 07:00 (fourteen years ago) link

his backing band in ny is excepter. should be a spectactle if nothing else. or you could go for psychic ills.

earthly kitt (earthly), Thursday, 23 February 2006 07:11 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...
I've read a lot of reviews of Ariel Pink that use the same recurring descriptions: "twisted"; "sounds like (mention music from the 80s) but (then mention armageddon or satan or something that's meant to imply insanity) but his stuff doesn't strike me as crazy or dememnted at all. In fact when I heard that whole "mankind is a nazi" thing on 'Trepanated Earth' I found it more cute and quaint than crazy -- and a little embarrasing. I don't really get a crazy vibe from his stuff -- but it's certainly eccentric, for what that's worth.

Morgan Patrick (public_radio), Thursday, 10 August 2006 05:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Not eccentric, exactly. More like "eccentric."

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:28 (thirteen years ago) link

"shut up"

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link


a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:56 (thirteen years ago) link

paper or plastic

i would like paper thanks

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link

"mankind is a nazi" is so obviously a joke (the delivery's pretty funny too)

Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link

"fuck you"

Shit, I guess that works for pretty much everything.


Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

saw him the other night. he's finally got a good band together, a few sloppy parts but they really nailed the vocal harmonies and the weird time signitures. it actually SOUNDED just like his records too, which was weird.

babedad, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:19 (twelve years ago) link

he was selling these homemade CD-Rs with different artwork for $20, i bought 3 of em and then found out they all had the same songs on them..

babedad, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:20 (twelve years ago) link

Can't say I'm surprised.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:23 (twelve years ago) link

that sucks.

But cool that he sounded good :D

Drooone, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:24 (twelve years ago) link

Very pleased with the outcome of these remasters - the results kind of belie the idea that he was trying to make things sound as shit as possible. It's like listening to the actual 8-track tapes (plus compression)

PaulTMA, Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:47 (three months ago) link

xp — I agree about Loverboy (my favorite). It's novel to hear the songs sounding so clean, relatively speaking, but the way the songs leapt out through the crud, lifted up from within the murk, had been part of that album's sonic signature. As with a lot of remasters, though, if you never heard the old version I'm not sure you'd really feel like you were missing anything. While they're a whole other analogue (rock, golden) ball game, some of the Stereolab reissues this year have been like this, too. Anyway, some of Underground is still hella noisy.

I appreciate the liner notes on the new reissues. They're not extensive and only say a little about the music itself, but they provide some interesting background. I didn't know he was at the center of a sexual harrassment suit regarding a piece he did at CalArts, for which he says he will probably best be known (!). That remark seems to partly explain some subsequent behavior, an attitude that he will never be properly recognized for his work no matter what he does... which he takes to mean he might act out his id anyway, with at times disastrous results.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 31 October 2019 21:10 (three months ago) link

Wow, any more details on that lawsuit? Here's another:

Ariel Pink has been hit with a lawsuit from director and actress Kansas Bowling, who claims Pink hired her to make a concert film last month and then failed to pay her. Pink owes Bowling more than $1,500, according to a small claims action filed on October 18 in a Los Angeles County court and obtained by Pitchfork. “I was hired by Ariel to go on tour with him to film his shows,” reads the complaint by Bowling, who was not represented by a lawyer. “When we got back, he said he didn’t want the video anymore, therefore he didn’t have to pay me.”

The complaint alleges that Pink owes Bowling $1,560, stemming from events that took place from September 18 to 21.

Bowling told Pitchfork in an emailed statement: “All I’m asking for is the amount promised to me for a job I already did. I went on tour with him and filmed four shows.... I have to take him to small claims for this lousy, already-discounted rate I gave him so I can eat and pay my rent!”

Ariel Pink has been officially served documents in the case, according to L.A. County court records. A non-jury trial in the case is currently scheduled for January 3, 2020. As of publication, a representative for Pink has not responded to Pitchfork’s requests for comment.

Kansas Bowling is the director of the 2016 film B.C. Butcher, as well as numerous music videos. As an actress, Bowling played the Charles Manson follower Sandra “Blue” Good in Quentin Tarantino’s 2019 film Once Upon a Time in ... Hollywood.

flappy bird, Friday, 1 November 2019 17:49 (three months ago) link

lol what a douche

surprised underground got reissued, by far his least listenable and least tuneful, not sure what he felt was worth salvaging there

brimstead, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:36 (three months ago) link

Scared famous

June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Friday, 1 November 2019 23:38 (three months ago) link

When is the next batch out? Can it happen before he gets cancelled

PaulTMA, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:52 (three months ago) link

they're reissuing all of his old albums through 2020, similar rollout I think as the Stereolab reissues. I agree that Underground is mostly dross aside from My Molly.

One thing that the remixes/remasters also highlight is how beyond repair some of his sounds are. I actually think the separation and 'cleaning' of the stems emphasizes how distorted and fucked they were, like PaulMTA said upthread.

for what it's worth, I tried to get a tape collage of mine mastered recently and the results were very similar: sterile separation and elements popping out that shouldn't have, and also irreversible distortion being highlighted.

xp I think in early 2020. AP has been cancelled so many times he's in a Trump sort of space, there's so much evidence of him being, at best, an asshole, and at worst, an emotionally and physically abusive drug addict. so it's all sort of a wash.

flappy bird, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:58 (three months ago) link

TS: college vs collage

June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Saturday, 2 November 2019 00:37 (three months ago) link

all the stuff that came out during the last album cycle (all the stories of him kissing fans at shows without consent for example) has pushed him well beyond mere 'asshole' territory in my view so it's hard to have any interest in his stuff anymore

though i'm impressed that these reissues are making his already incomprehensible back catalogue even harder to understand - underground now has a significantly different and expanded tracklist from the previous release, and they're still reissuing the albums out of chronological order (but a different order to the previous widespread releases)

from what i remember underground was near unlistenable and the only two truly worthwhile albums from his lo-fi period were house arrest and the doldrums. the rest all had their moments but were bloated and inconsistent and mostly just curiosities

ufo, Saturday, 2 November 2019 01:19 (three months ago) link

no worn copy and house arrest were pretty perfect too

brimstead, Saturday, 2 November 2019 02:39 (three months ago) link

Loverboy I mean

brimstead, Saturday, 2 November 2019 02:39 (three months ago) link

Scared Famous, in certain configurations, is one of his best.

flappy bird, Saturday, 2 November 2019 03:08 (three months ago) link

Wow, any more details on that lawsuit?

Pink and another student did a large pencil collage in which they depicted students, staff and faculty having sex, and the lawsuit alleged that it had created a hostile working environment; CalArts won the case on the grounds of a non-censorship policy, though Pink was made to apologize. Looks like the court brief is here.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 2 November 2019 03:49 (three months ago) link

5.  The drawing was the students' response to an art theory that characterized representational art as passé and incapable of evoking a strong response.   See footnote 11, below.

11.  In their declarations submitted in support of CalArts's motion for summary judgment, student artists Ariel Rosenberg and Jeremy Ringermacher explained the motivation for The Last Art Piece:  “At CalArts, there is a tendency when art is critiqued to categorize a work as representational or conceptual.   Representational artwork is an actual representation of the item depicted.   Conceptual artwork goes beyond the actual item depicted and communicates additional ideas and concepts.   During the time that I have attended CalArts, faculty and students have debated the impact of representational art versus conceptual art, and some people have characterized representational art as passé and incapable of provoking a strong response.   Ringermacher and I decided to create a piece of art that mixed and confused these two concepts and evoked a critical response.”   In his letter of apology to Herberg, Rosenberg stated “I never intended to harm anyone.”

12.  The context in which the alleged harassment took place also supports our decision.  (See Fisher, supra, 214 Cal.App.3d at pp. 609-610, 262 Cal.Rptr. 842.)   We see a vast difference between posting obscene cartoons in a men's room, as was done in Bennett, supra, 845 F.2d 104, and the display of The Last Art Piece in the designated gallery area at an art school.   CalArts's non-censorship policy was widely distributed to both students and employees.   In our view it was reasonable to expect that exhibitions of student artwork would, from time to time, include sexually-explicit material. Although we reject CalArts's contention that its anti-censorship policy and the First Amendment exempt it from the laws against sexual harassment, in this case the context of the display further militates against a finding of severe or pervasive harassment.

flappy bird, Saturday, 2 November 2019 04:03 (three months ago) link

I dont agree with Underground as being 'unlistenable' at all - to my ears seems like a consistent set of melodically inventive damaged pop songs in the vein of Syd Barrett/ GBV etc

clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Saturday, 2 November 2019 21:45 (three months ago) link

I'd not heard Underground before last week. I doubt it would have elicited a "Wow, WTF?" if it had been my first exposure to AP instead of The Doldrums.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 3 November 2019 11:12 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

I heard this today and thought it would appeal to AP fans. From 1981.

Publicradio (3×5), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:13 (five days ago) link

And here's a little something for the R. Stevie fans. From 1980.

Publicradio (3×5), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:16 (five days ago) link

Been meaning to check out Dome for a while—those are both awesome! Also the three best Ariel Pink albums are the next batch of reissues. Equally scared/excited to hear cleaned-up House Arrest.

J. Sam, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:13 (four days ago) link

Cleaned-up Crybaby is out

PaulTMA, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:17 (four days ago) link

AP is in a shot of the Safdie bro’s’ heaven knows what during the Central Park bandshell Scene. T koh is also credited bit I didn’t spot him.

calstars, Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:05 (four days ago) link

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