Big & Rich: Album of the Decade?

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That's the thing - "Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy)" is what, only the sixth or seventh best song on the album, maybe? And yet, right now, it blows away everything on every available radio format in the nation. So what does that mean? How many hit singles are possible on this thing? When does it cross over to pop stations, and non-country dance clubs, and Beck fans? Will it sell as many copies as ZZ Top's *Eliminator* (which isn't even as *good*)?? What's that, octuple platinum or something? I mean, holy fuck....

chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't have the chance to find this around in Portland this weekend, but rest assured I am keeping it in mind. Perhaps this weekend, if I get up to Amoeba...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

>"Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy)" is what, only the sixth or seventh best song on the album, maybe?<

Disclaimer: What I mean by this is that, since I've owned the album, I've ASSUMED that was only the sixth or seventh best song. But maybe I'm wrong: maybe the A&R people at Warners Nashville know something I don't. I would not have picked this track as one of the most obvious early singles, either. But if all the songs that sounded even better to me the first 20 times I heard the album sound even better than this one when they get released as radio singles, watch out...

chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

>total and long-deserved slap in the fact<

I mean "slap in the face," duh.

chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Big Time reminds me a bit of Jimmy Buffet.

Also holy fuck the end of Real World!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

and actually
I didn't like "Wild West Show"
on the radio,

too "somber"/boring
as a single but on disc
it sounds very nice

good contrast to the
Western Myth song at the end,
but both are like "eh"

my daughter's fave song
is "six foot town", she always
laughs, "he's a giant!"

--and andrew OTM end of 'real world'--

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually really appreciate Chuck's point about the mainstream stodge -- as with any 'genre' as defined, there is a LOT of sheer identikit crap out there, and while it's important not to throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to musical criticism, it's that dull sense of 'here ya go and it was just like everything else I've done for a long while, not to mention just like a lot of other stuff my peers have been doing, and it's sweet and dull and not much' which suffocates. I'm surprised at my dad's patience with his fave radio station sometimes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

By the way, K. Sanneh had a good piece on Gretchen Wilson and Big & Rich in Sunday's NY Times, in case anybody missed it. (He seems to love both albums - and Montgomery Gentry's new one, too!)

chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

But what about the end of Kick My Ass?!?!!? Where harmony gets all stuttery and goes kinda Fat Albert before Cowboy Troy comes in with some spanish MCing and then ... "Shoot me daddy, I'm Superman! I'm Superman!"

frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah I love how he
offers her margaritas
and also pizza!

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Robert Parissi - most influential guitarist of all time?

dave q, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

*checks* ! The guitarist for Wild Cherry, eh? Now I'm even more intrigued!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

"Green, green grass and a rubber Russian bimbo / No one's got a name for the brain in the Scarecrow"

easily best couplet of the year

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

this Parissi dude
isn't on the album though!
what's his influence?

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

>what's his influence?<

first it wasn't easy--
Changin' Rock & Roll and minds

chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, this album really is miraculously good. It is easily the most infectious, good time, smiley album I have heard in forever. I suspect my friends are going to get very (very, very, very) tired of me playing this on repeat in my car all summer. But tough shit, this is a summer driving CD.

I play guitar and I play my songs in the swuuuuuuuunnnshiiiiiiiiiiiiine!

Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

both "Rollin' and "Save A Horse" feature a banjo approximation of the James Bond theme. cool.

thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought I heard Secret Agent Man in there somewhere.

danh, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Um, this album reminds me of the Cult's "Electric." But that's cool with me!

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:29 (nineteen years ago) link

this album reminds me of the Cult's "Electric"

Haha, I just heard this last night for the first time and when "Wild West Show" came on I was like, "is this the Mission?" Roll on goth-country takeover!

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Then it's even more genius! Haha, Chuck must now champion the Balaam and the Angel revival.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

also, I like the song too, but I think it's kinda funny (and maybe a little inspiring) that the unbridled enthusiasm of a couple key people can suddenly turn ILM's attention toward a record most people here would otherwise never touch with a ten foot pole.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link

As I sorta note above, though, most of what mainstream country I hear courtesy of my dad just turns me off because it's neither here nor there -- so when Chuck articulates the differences so well, combined with his general enthusiasm, then I'm intrigued. To be honest Toby Keith does jack shit for me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

do you really think Big & Rich is that big a leap from the ironic jiggle-and-bling videos that have been all over mainstream country for at least the past 5 years

While I do think Chuck may be taking it a bit far with some of his declarations on this one, here I think he may (may) have something. To the above quote, I'd say that the difference lies what B&R walk in the video and talk in the music is where he has merit.

frankE (frankE), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno. This whole country/hip-hop synergy has been the "Next Big Thing" on ILM for some time now. Though it remains to be seen if it has more staying power (as opposed to novelty value) when approached from the country direction (a la Big & Rich) than when approached from the hip-hop side (a la Bubba Sparxxx). Still I'm intrigued enough to give it a listen if I get a chance.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

1. That they are a total and long-deserved slap in the fact to the sexless white-bread goody-goody PURITANISM of country, as typified not only by alt-style No Depression horseshit but also by such semi-talented superstar bores as George Strait, Randy Travis, Alan Jackson, Clint Black, etc (all of whom have a few great moments, but who cares. Especially now.)

2. That their sudden ubiquitousness on country stations may well represent the most quantum leap taken by ANY musical genre in, I dunno, decades. At least.>>

Chuck, I get what you're saying here, and I kinda agree, but do you really think Big & Rich is that big a leap from the ironic jiggle-and-bling videos that have been all over mainstream country for at least the past 5 years? the quasi-hip hop bravado of Toby Keith, etc? I mean, B&R definitely are the most dramatic shift in this direction so far, but I don't see it as that surprising or unprecedented.

Yeah, really remember those old Hank Jr all my rowdy friends videos....and that God Bless Texas one from about 10 years ago?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

The attitude on these guys reminds me as much of Jerry Jeff Walker as it does oh Hank Jr.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

damn, have I become
a "key people" around here?
IS IT THAT BAD THEN?

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Amazon has a Cowboy Troy album and one mp3 download ("Tae Kwon Flow") I could get (the other one didn't work). Album was released 2 years ago, but the mp3 just was added last month. Not particularly exciting, but good for obsessive completists such as myself.

frankE (frankE), Friday, 4 June 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

So yeah, I totally admit there has been lots of dancey country and lots of non-puritan country (and I've written about tons of it) over the past decade or so -- not just Toby and Hank Jr (whose last couple albums are real good, actually), but everybody from Confederate Railroad and Kentucky Headhunters and Sawyer Brown to Montgomery Gentry and Brooks and Dunn and Kenny Chesney, obviously. And that's only the guys -- girls like Leann Rimes and Shania Twain and Faith Hill and Joe Dee Messina (and even Dolly Parton, way back with "Romeo" a decade or so ago) have actually been braver about dance beats and r&b than the guys have been. I've been saying all this all along. And right, Toby has used talked vocal rhythms, and the Bellamy Brothers had a song called "Country Rap" way back in the late '80s, as I recall. (And country rap goes back way further than hip-hop, to Commander Cody and Charlie Daniels and Roger Miller; I've spilled hundreds of words on this over the years, and it's even gotten me in a couple fights on ILM.) That said, it all felt *held back* and *cordoned off* til now somehow, in a way that Big & Rich don't, to me, at all -- held back rhythmically, but also glitz-wise, and humor wise, and brains wise, and colorfulness wise, and tossing everything into the pot like Disco Tex and the Sexolettes or the Skatt Bros used to wise. I guess somebody could make the argument (like I tend to do with lots of *other* music) that Big & Rich are just taking the glitz and rhythm that was already there in country and making a BIG DEAL of it, putting neon lights around it, saying loookit us we're really eclectic aren't you impressed even though Toby Keith and Shania (say) were already eclectic as hell. I'm surprised nobody's tossed that argument (my own biggest shtick!) back at me, because I'm not positive I'd know what to say. I mean -- so country has a BECK now, who gives a shit, right? They lead off the album TELLING us how open-minded about black folks they are, asking us to pat them on the back for it, right? And their beats still aren't Timbaland's, I suppose. And disco was almost two decades ago, right? And Cowboy Troy raps like it's 1979. Those are all valid complaints, I guess, but somehow they manage not to diminish the record for me; I'm not sure I *know* why, yet. Part of me believes Big & Rich are inventing NEW rhythms, anyway; doing disco and fiddle jigs and '60s dance rock AT THE SAME TIME, somehow. I dunno; I've tried to break down why the music MOVES so much, and I tried to talk about it in my piece, but maybe I didn't pull it off. And I've never been good at talking about voices, and Big & Rich's are great. Plus, I LIKE how people rapped in 1979, so sue me. But thing is, all these things I say above are not complaints people seem to me making about this record, so maybe I'm not alone in not worrying too much about all this stuff. Oddly, people talk about the rap and race thing, but nobody has commented to me about the paragraph in my review when I talk about how Big & Rich repeatedly beg the GAYNESS question, in what seems a very intentional way. Which, too, is obviously not entirely unprecedented; Garth Brooks had a song about his gay sister or something like that, and there have been gay two-step clubs for years. And I've written about that before, too. But Big & Rich just go FARTHER, somehow. But, uh, maybe I'm just talking in circles here. Upshot is, I think that this record does what DISCO used to do, and very few records of ANY kind do that anymore. What do you guys think?

chuck, Friday, 4 June 2004 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

It's also possible, of course, that there have been lots of jiggle and bling videos I've never seen - I never saw Toby's "Who's Your Daddy," for instance, which Matos says was great, and I believe him. (It's definitely a great song.) So maybe I'm just clueless?

chuck, Friday, 4 June 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

re: gayness - yeah, the one guy (Rich? or is it Big?) with the mustache and the higher voice has a very Freddy Mercury/cowboy from the Village People vibe going on.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 4 June 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

"Devil Went Down to Georgia" equated disco w/ Satan!

dave q, Friday, 4 June 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Good call, Al -- "Drinkin' About You" could so easily be on A Night at the Opera or A Day at the Races!

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Friday, 4 June 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops, disco was almost THREE decades ago, I meant!

chuck, Friday, 4 June 2004 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

B&R video vs notorious Queen record-launch party with nude midget bicyclists or whatever

dave q, Friday, 4 June 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

From their press bio: "The play country music, but country music that has room for echoes of everything from the Everly Brothers to Limp Bizkit to Queen, from honky tonk to rock 'n' rap."

chuck, Friday, 4 June 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

it's inclusiveness,
throwing those gates open wide,
country as Country

refusal to bend,
if we're feeling ten feet tall
then screw the midgets

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Given the deliberate all-inclusiveness and all-over-the-mapness, I'm starting consider the spectre of a "TS: Big & Rich vs. Outkast" thread (and yet I fear, deeply).

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

(starting *to* consider, duh)

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not really the new ideas on the record that strikes me, because, yes, probably all the elements on the record have been done before. I guess you could argue that it's the synthesis of all the elements that's new, but a) I don't know if that's really the case, and b) I'm fairly certain that's not what makes the record so fun to listen to. For me, it's the irrepresible energy and sense of humour, and the flawless production of the thing that has it in the lead for my summer album. The gorgeous harmonies, the crisp production, the hilarious sound effects (see the sound of sucking on a longneck in "Save a Horse"), and the sense energetic ease that permeates the record are what make it so addictive. Somehow that combination is what feels new.

FWIW, "the race thing" is probably the most irritating thing on the record to me. I can't really listen to Love Train (even though I love the fact that they just decided to call their song Love Train, as if it didn't matter that there already was a Love Train--it's a great little snapshot of their "Fuck it" attitude) because the lyrics are just too hard to take: "The whole color thing's never made sense to me." Really? It hasn't? That's shocking. You think we should all just get along? Can I subsribe to your newsletter? To me, this line by itself undercuts some of the other actually interesting stuff about race on the alum.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

While it sounds hamhanded (still haven't had a chance to pick up the record), it's not like American society in general is over that issue anyway...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

am i the only one who hears the tractors in a big way?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Plus, "we're all mixed up anyway" is a pretty great line!

xpost

chuck, Friday, 4 June 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post, Ned, the thing I hate about that line is not that it's hamhanded but that it's smug and willfully ignorant. I hear it as "Gee, I'm really enlightened and color-blind and I don't see what all you folks are making a big fuss about."

I think that attitude is total horseshit. They might as well sing "some of my best friends are black!" Though that's obviously implied on the record, of course.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Musicians not being social scientists in general shockah! (I see your point, Scott, but I've long since learned not to be surprised by strange attitudes in music or out of it, to put it politely.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, yeah, I know, I shouldn't care. This is just one of those cases where I can't get over the cringe factor, so I have just started skipping the song.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

There's a reason I let most lyrics slip by!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

>am i the only one who hears the tractors in a big way? <

What tractors, Yancey?? You mean the country group by that name, from a few years ago, who I remember nothing about, assuming that was even their name? Were they even any good? (I thought they were some corny retro act, but maybe I was as wrong about them as I was about the Kentucky Headhunters, who I stupidly ignored back when they actually had hits.) I do know that some people think Kenny Chesny's tractor is sexy, though. (Unless that was Marc Chesnutt's tractor; I forget.)

chuck, Friday, 4 June 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

KiNG would have to be on that ilm hive list. And chuffing Balloon.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link

avalanches are the classic ilm act for me. never seen them in anyone's record collection irl or heard anyone talking about them

Babby's Yed Revisited (jim in vancouver), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link

Oh yeah, I used to put some of their early stuff on mix tapes way before seeing anything about them on ilm. I guess they weren't all that well-known in the US, but I got compliments for the tapes.

dow, Monday, 14 December 2020 20:00 (three years ago) link

I was actually into Since I Left You before I came around to ilx, can't remember where I heard about it, probably some magazine review.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 December 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link

I think Sim0n Reyn0lds reviewed it pretty ecstatically in Uncut? I could be remembering that wrong.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 14 December 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link

Yeah think I first heard them on magazine bonus comps.

dow, Monday, 14 December 2020 20:14 (three years ago) link

Ah, that Reyn0lds review was in Spin. That is definitely where I would have seen it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 December 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link

I have "Save A Horse" on my Elliptical Jams playlist, mostly unplayed since March.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 04:27 (three years ago) link

the first B&R record still rules--but there was a lot of great Country music in that era

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link

Yeah, and that was when I started paying attention to it, beyond Willie---pop arena mainstream country was big fun, and I thought so much of it was going to keep being like that---spoiled me, waaaah

dow, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...

he paid out, it went to a military charity: https://tasteofcountry.com/john-rich-joe-biden-donald-trump-election-bet/

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Saturday, 6 November 2021 03:59 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

I met with @GovBillLee and @SchwinnTeach today at the Capital building. They told me new legislation will be put on the docket in this session to deal with "literature" that our kids are being exposed to containing obscene and pornographic content. They listened. We'll see.

— John Rich (@johnrich) January 11, 2022

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 15:59 (two years ago) link

sounds like a cool jerk sesh bro

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 17:54 (two years ago) link

The press release calls Cowboy Troy "the world's only six foot five inch, 250 pound black cowboy rapper, who throws down in three languages and has a degree in economics to boot."

Seems like he should be Big In Europe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tofbP46Ohd4

deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:03 (two years ago) link

He's 6 foot 5. Probably big everywhere.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:06 (two years ago) link

That first one’s kind of rapey. Guess who’s lyrics… pic.twitter.com/Gj7CklQ2E6

— Rep. Gloria Johnson (@VoteGloriaJ) January 12, 2022

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:09 (two years ago) link

lol. She's my state rep, one of our few local Dems. She just got redistricted out of her own district.

one month passes...

Doubling down, I guess.

Cepicky bill criminalizing "obscene" materials in school libraries rolled one week because of time constraints after singer John Rich compares librarians to perverts in a "white van."

— Sam Stockard (@stockard_sam) February 23, 2022

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 February 2022 02:28 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

I want to know how a kid working at a fast food restaurant found the funding to purchase thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of rifles, ammunition and body armor. We need answers.

— John Rich (@johnrich) May 27, 2022

Well clearly this is why we have to keep the minimum wage down

And then America tells him to step right up despite not allowing him to buy a glass of whiskey.

— John Legend (@johnlegend) May 28, 2022

deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Monday, 30 May 2022 00:20 (one year ago) link


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