Bjork's new program "Vespertine" Total Victory or Total Failure?

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I'm having a little trouble getting into the album unless it's raining outside. Is it that Bjork has fashioned an album so uniquely icy and watercolor cool that any attempt I could make to warm up to it is futile, or is that Bjork is merely a one-trick pony who forgot that choirs and cinematic orchestrations went out with Phil Spector?

Unfortunately for me, choirs and orchestrations didn't go out with Phl Spector, so that leaves only the remote possibility that I'm somehow subconsciously not giving this album the chance it deserves because I thought "Dancer in the Dark" was overwrought and pretentious, neither of which was Bjork's fault. Well, if that's the case then I'm going to go home tonight and really give it the old college try once more. I just know something really good and new will turn up in there someday.

dleone, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Haven't really digested the album since listening to it on mp3 a while ago, but "Hidden Place" is a FANTASTIC song (even if the video is dodgy). Almost as good as "Bachelorette".

Dan Perry, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hidden Place really is a fantastic song. Definetly the one I keep coming back to. Overall the album is wonderful but I have the same problem as the earlier post: I can only listen to it at night or when the weather is overcast. Try it with headphones, it seems there are millions of tiny details. Maybe not as good as Homogenic (maybe!), but contrary to Pitchfork that doesn't lessen her accomplishment.

Ryan White, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Okay, I bought the album at lunch today. HOLY SHIT it's good. Listening to it on headphones in the correct running order is a MUST. Wow.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Heard it twice so far, and I definitely like it. I'm not sure I'll end up liking it as much as Homogenic in the end, but then again, that album took me like six listens to really get into. My favorite song so far is "It's Not Up to You" followed by "Pagan Poetry".

palpable, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's no surprise that the nature of responses has changed dramatically from July to September. After taking time to actually listen and live in the music, it continues to haunt longer after the CD player is silent and the demons have gone to bed.

Vespertine is undoubtedly Bjork's most exquisite work to date. From start to finish, there exists nothing more creative, more original, more awe-inspiring, more unique.

She teaches us that passion and spirit can be derived as easily from a 60-piece orchestra as from almost nothing whispers. With every listening, feel free to soar higher and higher. For there is nothing better.

John F Danbury III, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, I quite like it too.

A "Lovers midnight sleigh-ride across a pristine Narnia snowscape" ur sumthin'.

DavidM, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I still find it to be an incredibly disappointing album, with the soundtrack affectations layered on to disgusting effect, without the presence of unique melodies or anything else to save it.
I really wanted to love it. I wanted it to be great. It's just not.

Melissa W, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Melissa, good to see you again, defending yourself once more. What recommendations might you have for Bjork neophytes?

John F Danbury III, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Initial thoughts are that this is excellent. In my own personal world Verspetine feels like an important album, making a couple of connections that I'd half-imagined in my head and reproducing them in a much more beautiful fashion than I had envisioned. Also it's much more pop than I had expected - "Hidden Place", "It's Not Up To You", "Pagan Poetry" and "Aurora" are all gorgeous songs quite apart from their breathtaking production. I'm reminded of what Reynolds said about Saint Etienne and Stephin Merrit, about appreciating the pop song for the loveliness of its formal contours. Everything Bjork employs here - melodies, lyrics, glitch rhythms, harps, choirs, her own vocals - seems designed to capture a certain, fiercely independent idea of beauty.

Tim, Tuesday, 11 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think I've changed my mind on this album a bit. It still has trite strings and melodies, and cringeworthy moments, but it's perfect for this lonely, lovey mood I am in. It's like drowning in love. Far from her best, though.

Melissa W, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I changed my mind again. This is still pretty atrocious.

Melissa W, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Melissa, I can certainly see your point. But I disagree because I think Bjork pulls off something very unique with this album. Yes, of course, children's choirs, harps, music boxes, and sentimental string sections are all usually trite and overblown. But they are not inherently such, but they seem so because of past offenses by other musicians. But what saves this album, and in fact makes it quite beautiful and unique in my opinion, is that all of this is put in the service of such small pleasures. These songs are tiny miracles. All of this seeming excess is not used to portray a sticky view of world peace, or something else of monumental bad taste. In other words, these are not "We are the world" moments. Instead, these songs portray the most minute of pleasures, that inner euphoria that sometimes occurs for no reason, and the intense and absurdly overblown emotions that love stirs up inside us. By using those kind of feelings, Bjork rescues what would normally be sentimental tactics and puts them to wholly appropriate use.

And face it, we all secretly love children's choirs.

Ryan White, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

[...] it's perfect for this lonely, lovey mood I am in.

I think this album, moreso than the others, requires a particular set of moods. I adore the album to death, but the last time I played it I was vaugely annoyed and coming home from a night club with my wife, one of her best friends (who'd just turned 30), and the 19-year-old boy he'd gotten thrown out of the bar for. The album was bizarre and jarring for me, while the two "lovebirds" in the back were making moon-eyes at each other and drowning in each others' souls.

It's very context-specific music.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I still don't like it. Its too Tori Amos, too confused sounding and aimless. There doesnt seem to be a good skeleton of songwriting under the flesh of trendy sounding production.

Pennysong Hanle y, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There isn't any good songwriting here. This album certainly merits the "all production, no songs" criticism so often wrongly doled out. I also think Tori Amos broke into the studio and wrote half the lyrics. And that drippy instrumental.

Melissa W, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I actually adore that drippy instrumental. :) Part of that stems from being in Switzerland and spending a good amount of time looking at the insides of music boxes, though.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There are plenty of songs. That argument is as bogus in this case as it is in most cases. In fact, people who argue that usually are talking about straight-ahead (Verse-Chorus-Verse-Chorus etc) songs, of which Vespertine probably has more of than most Bjork records. Look at Undo, or It's Not Up to You. My personal favorites are the 2nd and the 11th song personally.

hans, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

with bjork you either love her work, or the opposite... i believe

me, i think this is her best work yet. even if you hate or love bjork, you have to admit one thing.... it is her, and it is totally unique. its so personal... i dont know how the hell you people can say its just the other people doing her work for her, you really need to get a clue. Look at any other pop artist and you can find maybe 2 or 3 songs actually written by them (most of the time just cowritten) nevertheless produced. and i really dont care what anyone says, but her lyrics and her melodies are very original and interesting (not to mention they suit each other perfectly).

So i dont know... we are all entitled to our own opinions, but keep the facts straight -Rex

Rex Gregory, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The more I listen to 'Vespertine' the more I love it. The minimalistic glitch and scratch balancing perfectly with her exquisite melodies. She morphs her voice in so many directions. Those complaining about the lack of song-structure completely miss the point. Utterly divine, I've not held Ms Gudmundsdottir is such high esteem since 'Birthday' was released.

stevo, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Vince Mendoza is the devil. I want Emir Deodato back. The arrangements of choir and strings on Vespertine are still dreadful and trite. And surely the melodies and chord progressions were picked out of a hat full of complimentary notes and chords?
I love Post and Homogenic dearly. But Vespertine has now officially taken its place as my least favorite Bjork release.

Melissa W, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

complementary*
I'm so tired.

Melissa W, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Melissa, I think we've got where you're coming from on this one - I didn't think this was an ILFMBoP thread. ;-)

Strangely, apart from the "no songs" accusation, most of what you say about Vespertine is true. But misses the point. I can't really explain it, but all the yardsticks by which one previously judged a Björk record just don't seem to be of any use with this album. AND it sounds gorgeous into the bargain.

Record of the year so far, then.

Jeff, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ILFMBoP???

I guess I'm just more disappointed by this than I've ever been about a record...that's why I keep going on about it.
I expect a lot from Bjork and she usually delivers.
If I wanted to listen to the Empire of the Sun score over glitch beats...then I'd get two stereos and do just that.

Melissa W, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Vespertine is the most beautiful, intimate, and cosmic piece of music ever created. (my humble opinion)

Archer Krantz, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

After reading your criticism of Vespertine, Melissa when I finally got it at the weekend I approached it with a bit of trepidation. Listening to it I've came to the conclusion you're listening to a different record. It must be the most vulnerable, passionate record I've heard this year and the tunes are as good as anything she's done.

On a slightly different topic what is the thing on the front of the CD it looks like a stone or maybe top of a crutch? Any ideas?

Billy Dods, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The cover looks neat, but neither I nor anyone I know has said it's a good album. It's crap. It's barely even music. Of course, I don't really like her anyway.

Nude SPock, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

On a slightly different topic what is the thing on the front of the CD it looks like a stone or maybe top of a crutch? Any ideas?

I was wondering about that too, until I saw a promotional shot of Bjork wearing the same dress as on the cover. If you look at it very closely, you'll notice it's the head of the swan.

JC, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You 'know' a few here at least who adore it Nude Spock. Seems to have split opinion more strongly than any other recent release I can think of.

stevo, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Where are all the Björk fans that hate Vespertine? I can't possibly be the only one!

Melissa W, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Anything worth really loving is worth really hating too.

Ryan A White, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
if you're a björk fan and you don't like vespertine then its only becuase you're a fucking moron and have to be told how to have emotion....

tyler durden, Tuesday, 20 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Where are all the Björk fans that hate Vespertine?
I would love to join you there Melissa but I can't. I hate Björk AND Vespertine. Though I did only listen to a track or two. Are there any Björk haters who love Vespertine would be a much more interesting question from my point of view...

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 20 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

*fucking moron*
Emotion is not all there is to music. Staind are pretty emotional.
Cut-rate glitch + cheesy strings and choirs + warbling Björk + cringe- worthy lyrics + flat melodies does not a good Björk album make.

Melissa W, Tuesday, 20 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i know it's cheesy andrew lloyd webber pap but i loves it i does. (can't listen to merzbow ALL day, now, can we...)<-- well of course we can but one gets a royal headache.

bob snoom, Tuesday, 20 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think "Vespertine" is brilliant.

Sean, Tuesday, 20 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'whoosh' is the sound of Vespertine flying over your head.........

Jeremy Reinbolt, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No. There's nothing on that that would fly over anyone's head. Every card is on the table. It's just dull. Or perhaps you could tell me what's so mindboggling about schmaltzy John Williams-style cinematic strings and choirs with glitch effects and a few music boxes and underachieving melodies?

Melissa W, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Geez, Melissa, anyone would think you didn't like Vespertine much.

Tim, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I hate Vespertine passionately because it's like waking up one morning to find someone has replaced a beloved family member with an evil clone, and I'm the only person who can tell the difference.

Melissa W, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I would argue that there's nothing inherently wrong with schmaltzy John Williams-esque string arrangements and by reining in some of her stylistic tendencies, Bjork is singing the songs on this album rather than letting them sing her.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Or, in other words, she has ceased to be Bjork.

Melissa W, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Melissa, you're clearly a discerning and not a dismissive listener and I appreciate that you are disappointed, but I just can't see what your beef is. I think Vespertine is nearly as good as Homogenic, which means that it's nearly perfection.

Why is Vespertine un-Bjork-y? Why do you think she has ceased to be herself? Sounds like she's writing exactly the songs she wants to and doing it exactly the way she wants to to me, so I think Vespertine is Bjorky, but even moreso than normal.

Why is it OK for Radiohead to put out albums that don't sound like Radiohead but it's not OK for Bjork? (Okay, don't answer that one, that was a low blow, but I'm still curious about the first question.)

EdwardO, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

a) I hate the strings. They're vile, Saving Private Ryan concoctions.
b) Björk warbles like a wibbly, in-love child. None of the power of her former self. She sounds subservient, human, commonplace. Not alien and passionate.
c) The songs have no drive. They sort of meander about, reaching no particular melodic peaks. On all of her old songs...there were moments where the melody or chords went somewhere unexpected...became otherworldly... There's nothing, here. Just sounds like something pleasant I might hum to myself on a walk. And the songs have no energy. Even when it seems she wants them to break free a bit, they're just sluggish. Even live, the songs feel substanceless and indistinct from one another.
d) "I LOVE HIM! I LOVE HIM! I LOVE HIM! I LOVE HIM! (she loves him! she loves him! she loves him! she loves him!)" Very few albums approach the cringe-worthy lyrics and moments of Vespertine.

Not a single reason I ever listened to Björk is on this album. It's not that she's making music that is unlike her previous work, it's that she's making music I wouldn't like no matter who made it. There's not an inspiring moment on it. No electricity, no fire, no shimmer.
And besides, I wasn't an obsessive Radiohead fan until Kid A. I mean, I loved OK Computer, but I loved the aspects of it that alluded to Kid A more than I liked the ones that alluded to The Bends.

Melissa W, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You're nuts. It's Bjork's best album. Not even that different from her earlier stuff. To me it sounds like a mellow Homogenic, same kind of sound but more inward, less dissonant. Bee-utiful.

Ben Williams, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That's what I mean. It's a great record.

a) The strings are actually wonderful. No, the arrangements and compositions are all wonderful The opening few seconds of "Harm Of Will" are a triumph and maybe the best 5 seconds of pop this year. But I can't argue your point here so we'll have to agree to disagree.

b) Okay, I take exception to this. You seem to be boxing Bjork into what you think she should be here. Why does Bjork have to be the things you've said? I reckon if you're distilling and reducing the essence of Bjork's charm to "alien and passionate" then maybe you don't like the other albums so much. Surely she has more going for her than that? I find lots of things I love about Bjork on Vespertine in greater quantity than on, say, "Post".

c) The reason I bought up Radiohead is because this exact same criticism (which I imagined you might use) surely applies to half of Kid A and some of Amnesiac too. But it doesn't apply to Vespertine. "Heirloom", "It's Not Up To You" and "Unison" even have hooks for heaven's sake! HOOKS! Or are those verboten? Please further qualify "energy" - really how energetic is "Headphones"? Or "All Neon Like"? Not very energetic AT ALL but still great songs. The same applies to "Coccoon" and "Undo" or whatever other songs you think aren't energetic.

d) As for (B). You're boxing Bjork into your narrow pre-conceived perceptions of what she should be doing. Oh heaven forbid she should say, NAY EXCLAIM "I love him!". Of course, if it were "I just need to explode this body!" that'd be OK, I'm sure.

EdwardO, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

but does she still have snaps from that little island where she'd snuck off to with her little ghetto blaster? i think about that island all the time.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm going to stick up for Melissa here. "Vespertine" seems to be an album which only reveals ever greater shallows with each listen; I think Mel has nailed it in the sense of it being, above everything else, melodically unsurprising and narrow.

HOWEVER, I reserve the right to completely change my mind about this, as "Post" took weeks and "Homogenic" possibly *months* to worm their way into my favour. I thought they were mostly rubbish at first (and I've only had the new one a fortnight or so).

Michael Jones, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Thank you, EdwardO, for making the point about those Radiohead albums; I was going to do the same thing but didn't want to sound argumentative.

OK, so Melissa doesn't like "Vespertine". So what. I think it's amazing. So do lots of other Bjork fans. That's enough for me.

Sean, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think a more pronounced dip has been in her videos for Vespertine... I haven't seen "Coccoon" yet but really... was "Hidden Place" that effective with all the psychadelic snot? One time in the movie theatre they showed the "Pagan Poetry" video in its entirety to advertise the album between film previews. Quite disorienting. As for the music, I think it's fine even if it does sound all soundtrackish and isn't very dynamic.

Honda, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

she loves him
she loves him
she loves him
she loves him

nice cage (m bison), Monday, 17 July 2017 03:47 (six years ago) link

best bjork thing ever period, dont @ me

nice cage (m bison), Monday, 17 July 2017 03:48 (six years ago) link

as an amateur bedroom electronic music person, this is one of the most influential records for me

nice cage (m bison), Monday, 17 July 2017 03:48 (six years ago) link

upon further, still total victory

Karl Malone, Monday, 17 July 2017 03:54 (six years ago) link

cosign the love, probably my favorite overall record of hers. Although the insane peaks of Homogenic top any individual moment here, the record flows so well and is so integrated. Plus, Zeena Parkins.

sleeve, Monday, 17 July 2017 03:55 (six years ago) link

Really, that Björk has basically the top 2 greatest albums ever recorded, is there any real need to decide which of the two is greater?

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Monday, 17 July 2017 04:05 (six years ago) link

this is the only Bjork album I've ever really listened to, it sounded wonderful on a snowy day.

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 17 July 2017 04:08 (six years ago) link

it's also interesting to hear this record at the peaks of valleys of love in your life. the mood is completely changed depending on how you're feeling. it's natural to hear things through the filter of your own emotional state, and some albums can take on a more powerful meaning if the listener is in a certain life state (like yo la tengo's atntiio and depression+divorce).

i don't know wtf i'm talking about but eventually i was trying to argue that vespertine has at least several different distinct emotional/life/sound ties like that, at least for me, and it seems otherworldly and always refreshingly current and relevant for that reason

Karl Malone, Monday, 17 July 2017 04:09 (six years ago) link

great post Karl

I hate to say this is the last I really was invested in Bjork. The Royal Opera performance of Vespertine is essential as well.

Vulnicura revived my love in her though

Paisley Window Pane (Ross), Monday, 17 July 2017 05:16 (six years ago) link

This is probably her best album.

chap, Monday, 17 July 2017 11:09 (six years ago) link

it's also interesting to hear this record at the peaks of valleys of love in your life. the mood is completely changed depending on how you're feeling. it's natural to hear things through the filter of your own emotional state, and some albums can take on a more powerful meaning if the listener is in a certain life state (like yo la tengo's atntiio and depression+divorce).

― Karl Malone, Monday, July 17, 2017 4:09 AM (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Goddamn right and expressed so eloquently. The album can hit you in a myriad of ways, soundtracking both the peaks and the valleys of love. Thinking about this further I have a hard time coming up with an album, or even a single song, that does this. Take 'Pagan Poetry'. The whole gut-wrenching 'I love him, I love him' sequence is equally applicable to both the euphoria of love as the utter destruction of it all falling to bits. Embracing love with such force and swallowing it whole, opposite the lamenting and hysteria of love that died/is dying. That song alone has accompanied me in both sides of the spectrum.

(fp'd you for saying 'I don't know wtf I'm talking about' bcz, clearly, you do)

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 17 July 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link

Went to re-listen to this. Receipt for my first pack of condoms sitting under the CD tray. Oof.

maffew12, Monday, 17 July 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link

I think she would be happy about that.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Monday, 17 July 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link

final track on this record is my favorite bjork song of all time. i can remember thinking i didn't like this as much as homogenic at the time but now i v much feel the contemporary consensus. imo homogenic feels like it's always trying to explode where vespertine seems like it's always trying to be quiet. her best record along with medulla (which i like more than most)

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link

Medulla's when her quailty control started slipping - all her records since have been patchy.

chap, Monday, 17 July 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link

I like this album a lot but I never listen to it, whereas I go back to Post and Homogenic (and selected songs from Medulla and Volta) a lot.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link

I think the original title for Vespertine gives us a nod to why it's so quiet - Domestica

Paisley Window Pane (Ross), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:53 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

Anyone heard the Vespertine opera, any good? It's now released on CD:

https://www.galileomusic.de/cover/400/oc978.jpg

Siegbran, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 07:46 (four years ago) link

Funny to see the intital lukewarm reaction to this now ILX certified classic.

chap, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 12:47 (four years ago) link

that is weird. IMO it's clearly her best album and also the last album of hers I really loved.

akm, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 12:59 (four years ago) link

I'd agree, except maybe with the 'clearly'.

chap, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link


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