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Thanks for your kind comments regarding this silly venture - remember I did describe it as being "unreasonably subjective", which it is. I think everyone should make up their own minds on Popol Vuh but if you truly "get" them, they will probably become one of your favourite bands.

Thanks for the link to the Florian Fricke interview. I admit that Guido Hieronymous doesn’t appear to be Florian’s son – I’d always assumed that he’d allowed Mr. Hieronymous the latitude to ruin latter day Popol Vuh out of some kind of fatherly indulgence. Also fascinated to discover that Esther Ofarim was almost the vocalist on “Hosianna Mantra”, at about the same time that her husband was (mis)managing Can! It is stated that this is the first known interview in English with Florian Fricke – this isn’t true, I came across an interview with FF in a old copy of Sounds (UK music weekly – now defunct) which dated from 1978-79, the interview was with Sandy Robertson.

I would also recommend seeking out “Herzog on Herzog” (edited by Paul Cronin, published by Faber), a series of interviews with Werner Herzog which contains interesting info on Florian Fricke – including a practical joke played by him on the apparently notoriously gullible Herzog. Actually, I would recommend it in any case as an insight into Herzog who is a truly amazing man, even if he hasn’t made a decent feature film in years. Delighted to discover that Herzog, in the grand tradition of German intellectuals and film auteurs (see Fassbinder), was a more than useful footballer (that’s proper football not the musclebound rubbish which goes under that name in the USA).

Dadaismus, Monday, 24 March 2003 14:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Ha, but what about that bit at thee end ov "In a Sacred Manner" from "Bury My Heart @ Wounded Knee"? This great long acoustick guitar piece, which suddenly kicks int this awesome prog/krautrock, then it fades out! Gah!! The lyrics are rubbish, tho'.

A friend who I haven't seen in years had this brit electronic 'zine from the early eighties, which contained a FF interview. t was wierd, in that the interviewer had obtained FF's phone no. from somewhere, & called him up on spec. Fricke's response was, like, I don't do interviews, and where did you get my number from anyway!!?? But, seeing as I'm here, i'll answer a couple of questions. I can't remember much except for the bit about him selling the big Moog to Klaus S, and FF being slightly disparaging abt KS' musick "nice music for supermarkets" is how I remember he put it. Great stuff Dadaismus, anyway.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I picked up the new SPV reissues of Aguirre and Einsjager today (for a reasonable $10 each at Newbury Comics); so, looks like I can ditch my Spalax copies.

Don't hear much difference in sound if they were remastered (doubt it), but the packaging at least is way superior to Spalax (plus, it's nice to have Digipaks rather than standard jewel case).
Can't wait for them to do Letzte Tage - Letzte Naechte and the others...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Don't hear much difference in sound if they were remastered (doubt it)

Actually, listening to the title crack of Aguirre right now, and I can hear the vinyl clicks. Jees, and they licensed this from Fricke's family, too! Guess the original tapes are long gone...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 19 June 2004 02:07 (fifteen years ago) link

the bonus tracks on "einsjager" are pretty nice. personally, i hate digipaks but this was the one popul vuh release we didn't have.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 19 June 2004 05:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Actually, listening to the title crack of Aguirre right now, and I can hear the vinyl clicks. Jees, and they licensed this from Fricke's family, too! Guess the original tapes are long gone...

I believe they are. Bounus tracks?!??!?

Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 19 June 2004 14:28 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll have to listen more carefully at the bonus stuff, but I thought on an incidental listen (I wasn't paying full attention) that "Wo Bist Du?" on Einsjager is the same as the opening part of the mammoth-length track on Aguirre.

Disappointing if that is true, especially since as it is their albums are already pretty notorious for shuffling around (or re-recording) the same music on different albums.

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 19 June 2004 21:59 (fifteen years ago) link

cool thread. due to lack of money, i've only managed to get "in the gardens of pharao/aguirre" cd on celestial harmonies. it's sort of a compilation i suppose, but everything on it is good and it seems like a good place for beginners since it's cheap. songs on it are: aguirre, in the gardens of pharao, vuh, and spirit of peace pts.1,2 and 3.

i've seen just about all of herzog's films at least once. 'signs of life' is really pretty good. i had no idea that florian was in 'kaspar hauser', and that he's in some of my favorite scenes in that film. the guy who plays kaspar hauser, bruno s., is also in another of herzog's called 'stroszek' which is pretty good too.

urker, Saturday, 19 June 2004 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Stroszek is fantastic. All hail the dancing chicken!

In Kaspar, Fricke looks uncannily Beethoven-like, as if he had stepped right out of the Romantic era...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 19 June 2004 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Even more confusingly "Wo bist du" is the title of a track on "Der Nacht der Seele". But still no sign of the music for "The Great Ecstasy of the Woodcarver Steiner"? It must exist somewhere surely?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:41 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I got some of these--at "my" Newburys--and they were $12! ARG!

John 2, Saturday, 17 July 2004 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...
I picked up 5 of the new reissues last week:

Affenstunde
Agape/Agape
Einsjäger und Siebenjäger
Hosianna Mantra
Aguirre

They are very good, and I A/B-ed them with my Spalax issues, and the new ones sound a bit (though noticeably) better - more "open" sounding, perhaps. some of them are vinyl transfers by the sound of it. Pretty well done, though not as good as the transfer on High Tide's "Sea Shanties, for example. They all come in little gatefold cardboard sleeves w/a little booklet. It appears that there are only 2 booklets, going on the ones I have - one for the regular albums, one for the soundtracks. Some of the blurb in the booklets is OK, but it's a little unsatisfying in some way. There are some good pictures, including a few I hadn't seen before. the bonus tracks are generally good, though the one on "agiurre" sounds suspiciously like one of the regular album tracks with a sampled ethnicky percussion loop overlayed, which sucks. The extras on "Einsjaeger..." are the best, 2 little pieces in the Hoheleid Salomos/Letze Tage..." style, IE more of the same, but bore of this same = more of what I want. I am REALLY looking forward to picking up "Das Hoheleid Salomos", "Letzte Tage Letzte Nacht" and "Der Nacht der Seele", because they are my favourites. I'm also interested to hear what's on "Cobra Verde" because I remember there being tow different versions of this when it came out.

I found myself getting faintly annoyed at how little Danny Fischelsher got mentioned in the blurb. That seems unfair somehow.

It would be good if they also issued "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee"

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Gawd, I wish I could type better.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link

I was wondering if the bonus tracks were any good or not. There's a whole album of Popol Vuh vocal music that was released privately in the mid-to-late 70s (can't remember the title) - where has that disappeared to I wonder? Plus there's film music that's never been released.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Pick up the "Einsjaeger..." reissue if you see it and see what you think.

I should also point out that all the reissues I bought have the proper dynamics, IE they haven't been loudness-maximised. Honestly, I was so relieved about this that I had a lump in my throat! (true!)

A little while ago, I also picked up the reissue of "shepherd's Symphony" (or whatever it's called) from the same series. It's really bad.

Also Also Also!!! ! I tried to play my CD of "For You and Me" the other night, and it had self-destructed!! All the metal foil had come away from the plastic disc!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:12 (fourteen years ago) link

"Agape-Agape" and "Spirit of Peace" both sound really crap, I hope they re-master those albums

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:15 (fourteen years ago) link

The "Agape-Agape" reissue sounded pretty good to me, though I didn't have that one on Spalax anyway, just my old vinyl copy. My CD of "Letzte Tage..." sounds pretty horrible to me, great though I think the music is.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:18 (fourteen years ago) link

The production on "Letzte Tage" is very odd, incredibly dense, I think that's deliberate, 10,000 guitars on every track

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:21 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
WTF was I thinking? I listened to "Agape Agape" on headphones last night, and it sounds like shit!! It sounds like they did a vinyl transfer, and there was a big knot of fluff on the needle! Man... I guess I must have listened to it quietly when I first got it. It's such a good album as well...

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 February 2005 13:00 (fourteen years ago) link

the original spalax CD sounds like that too... hope it's not on the master, though it probably is, "Why Do I Still Sleep" sounds like a very personal recording of a solo that just had the mood, so got included...

been listening to Nosferatu a lot recently. I would rate that one much higher than dadaismus does, but I rate the spare minimal electronics much higher, and think they balance out the other lovely band parts... actually I'd even say it's a good place to start for the atmospheric side of the band. With Letzte Tage, letzte Nächte being a good place to start for the transcendental heavy rock side.

(Jon L), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Listening to Hosianna Mantra now, want to check out Letzte Tage.

Dominique (dleone), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link

The bonus tracks on "Einsjaeger" are, in fact, two minutes worth of "Take the Tention High" from "Spirit of Peace" and a entire track lifted, unaltered, from "Nacht der Seele". Oh well, thought it was too much to hope for actual unreleased material.

Dadrock, Meshach and Abednego (Dada), Friday, 8 April 2005 11:30 (fourteen years ago) link

I think it wmight be a musicologist's dissertation in the making: cataloging the repeated material of the PV discography and finding out the actual musician's credit and instrumentation for each album...

Joe (Joe), Friday, 8 April 2005 14:29 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...
I think it's time for me to start exploring PV. My local shop only has 'Nosferatu' and 'Agape Agape'. Which one should I get first? Or should I hold out until I find the earlier stuff?

Baaderonixx cancels each other out (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:19 (thirteen years ago) link

of those two, definitely Nosferatu -- the last two tracks on Agape are fantastic but otherwise not the best intro

seriously, dadaismus' pocket reviews up there are gold, though Nosferatu & Aguirre are two of my absolute favorites precisely because they mix the electronic & rock sides of the band so well, some people don't like the minimal moog solos

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link

deebz OTM way up thread with "aguire"

i haven't heard that much of their stuff, tho.

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Ian, get one Einsjager & Siebenjager!

Ô¿Ô (eman), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I would hold out. Get one of their earlier albums...

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 21 July 2005 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Know what I love? Sei Still, Wisse Ich Bin. I think it's a later album, but it's something else.

and I'd like to second Florian's appearance in Kaspar Hauser. Heartbreaking. Kaspar listens to Florian play the piano, never having experienced art and music and it's power before, and says something along the lines of "why does my heart feel so heavy?"

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 21 July 2005 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Affenstunde is fabulous; I've had an LP of it for about 30 years, and I found the original CD of it in Germany, probably '92 or so - it's been re-issued? Great.

SoHoLa (SoHoLa), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link

So in the end, I managed to find Letzte Tage Letzte Nacht. Not at all what I was expecting but its pretty fantastic.

Baaderonixx cancels each other out (Fabfunk), Friday, 22 July 2005 13:06 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...
okay i went nuts this weekend and bought a shitload of these reissues from a tower records. i was so happy to find them all in one place so i got:
aguirre
in den garten pharaos
affenstunde
seligpreisung
letze tage, letze nachte
hosianna mantra

so i'm listening to the first in the list, aguirre, on headphones and... WTF THERE ARE LOUD VINYL POPS ALL OVER THIS BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i don't even want to listen to the others now. all i can think about is the money i shelled out for SHITTY VINYL TO CD TRANSFERS.

amon (eman), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link

okay i've calmed down a tiny bit. i just compared aguirre with this cd comp i have featuring an aguirre track. the sound quality is def. better on this rerelease, the stereo range esp., but that popping and crackling... could it actually be on the tape itself? so far "in den garten pharaos" sounds incredible.

amon (eman), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link

AFAIK, all "Aguirre" releases are semi-bootleg, I don't know that Florian Fricke ever sanctioned any of them - in fact, he said, regarding the original album, that somebody had "stolen" the tapes and put them out without his knowledge (likewise the "Yoga" album). I don't know if any of these CDs are from original master tapes, I don't know if the original masters of the music from "Aguirre" even exist anymore.

Diddyismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 11:54 (thirteen years ago) link

thanks! i was worried that these were all going to be like those Fall cd rereleases that were straight from vinyl, skips and all. i listened through the rest of the cds and the only other things i heard pops on were the two "in den garten pharaos" bonus tracks.

i'm really amazed at how good these albums are. and i've only got about half of them. apparently when you line all the cds up the spines will form an image which i believe is the same one of fricke on the back cover. the repetitive booklets seem kind of lazy but whatever.

anyone notice how Black Dice sound like "Affenstunde"?

amon (eman), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm also disappointed about the general booklets and the complete lack of album specific content...
I got Letzte Tage, which one should I go for next?

Baaderonixx on a long black leash (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link

"Einsjager", "Das Hohelied Salomos" and "Herz aus Glas" are in a similar (rocky) vein

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link

where can the full "spirit of peace" thing be found? is it on a rerelease?

amon (eman), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link

six months pass...
as Dadaismus mentions upthread, many Popol Vuh fans await some of the unreleased? music from the films Aguirre and The Great Ecstasy Of The Woodcarver Steiner. THE tune I want (have wanted for 20+ years since I first saw Aguirre) features in both, if I remember. it appears in Aguirre while the roiling river is shown - as the relentless chaotic grind of nature burbles furiously - eternal suspended out-of-time chords like a bowed guitar effect (volume control fade-ups?) sound. this same music opens Steiner, soundtracking his slow-motion flight.

the music for both films is credited to Fricke. and it's easily possible to imagine this piece made by Popol Vuh, although it doesn't sound quite like anything else I've heard by them. could it be the piece is by someone else? (if so, ideas please?!) however, similar chords seem to sound in some more Vuh-like music that appears later in Steiner - so maybe it's just an intro to a longer piece.

due to the number of comments all around (check internet) about unreleased Herzog Popol Vuh, I'm guessing the same piece struck a chord with others...

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 18 March 2006 05:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Does anyone know if there's a place on the web that has Popol Vuh's lyrics? I want to figure out a line that Fricke is singing on one of the songs on Seligspreisung...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 18 March 2006 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.venco.com.pl/~acrux/selig.htm

1. "Selig sind, die da hungern
Selig sind, die da dürsten nach Gerechtigkeit
Ja, sie sollen satt werden." 5:59

2. "Tanz der Chassidim" 3:12

3. "Selig sind, die da hier weinen
Ja, sie sollen später lachen." 5:07

4. "Selig sind, die da willig arm sind
Ja, ihrer ist das Himmelreich." 3:10

5. "Selig sind, die da Leid tragen
Ja, sie sollen getröstet werden." 3:39

6. "Selig sind die Sanfmütigen
Ja, sie werden einst die Erde erben." 2:30

7. "Selig sind, die da reinen Herzens sind
Ja, sie sollen Gott schauen." 2:33

8. "Ja, sie sollen Gottes Kinder heissen
Agnus dei, Agnus dei." 2:39

o -- (eman), Saturday, 18 March 2006 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Excellent! Thanks a lot for the post...
I was trying to figure out Track #6 (breathtaking song). I caught the "Ja, sie werden" but couldn't make out the rest of it.

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 18 March 2006 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link

actually the rest of that site is pretty good. thought this was kind of funny:

"YOGA is an unauthorized release. Some Indian musicians visited me in my studio, and somebody else took the tapes and sold them under the name of Popol Vuh, but it had nothing to do with Popol Vuh, really. I'm playing harmonium and organ. I think it was released in Italy."

Florian Fricke, interview on Eurock.com

o -- (eman), Saturday, 18 March 2006 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Pashmina, does the Agape-Agape remastered CD sound worse than the vinyl record to you? I'm wondering if I should bother getting it on CD - I'd like to do this with many of my albums for space reasons, but I don't want to get something that sounds worse than what I already have.

Pangolino 2, Monday, 17 April 2006 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link

letzte tage letzte nachte is so good!

pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Monday, 17 April 2006 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Yes, Letzte is still far and away my favorite of theirs...The "Harum Dei Rarum Dei" chant is very beautiful, the way it shifts from minor to major key.

Joe (Joe), Monday, 17 April 2006 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Das Hohelied Salomos is where it's at.

nervous.gif (eman), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link

I read that SPV are reissuing Sei Still, weisse ICH BIN, For You and Me, Cobra Verde and Brueder des Schattens, Soehne des Lichts on CD in their digipack series. Didn't their edition of the Nosferatu soundtrack have all of "Brueder des Schattens..." except with a short version of the title song along the music that was on the old "Nosferatu" LP? I was hoping they'd be clearing up some of the weirdness in the catalogue with the reissues, but maybe not. I guess "Spirit of Peace" isn't out yet, either, but they'll be dealing with all the different labels Popol Vuh were on in the late 70's onward, so maybe these last ones are trickier.

Ricki Belloni (Pangolino 3), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Just picked up Sei Still, weisse ICH BIN. really nice choir vocals throughout. Now all I need is Brueder des Schattens, Soehne des Lichts.
I also saw a new Popol Vuh compilation on SPV called 70s Progressives. As far as I could tell it was stuff from other albums but not entirely sure. Anyone know if any of the tracks are unreleased? Here is the Amazon listing: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F7MB1Y/104-2466127-0630344?v=glance&n=5174

Q('.'Q) (eman), Saturday, 10 June 2006 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link

woot

a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link

it looks like he has about 6 arms in that photo!

i can't zip on over to munich until i get my passport renewed and i doubt that is going to happen with such short notice (it's not)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 20:38 (one year ago) link

what other of their stuff sounds like this? anything in particular

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boDIzneIIfE

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 21:20 (one year ago) link

Well there's basically 18 minutes of that track on the second side of the "Spirit of Peace" album.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 21:24 (one year ago) link

love the sound of that

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 21:27 (one year ago) link

Also "Brüder des Schattens – Söhne des Lichts" and "Die Nacht der Seele" albums.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 21:32 (one year ago) link

also there's probably a lot of roy montgomery albums you would enjoy

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 21:47 (one year ago) link

i’ve dabbled in him but didnt find anything i really loved right off the bat like this. i like the syncopated guitar parts and the trance-like feel. i’m all ears for recommendations though!

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 22:23 (one year ago) link

I think the music on side two of Spirit of Peace IS King Minos II

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 July 2018 00:10 (one year ago) link

it definitely is- more layers and stuff obviously. love it

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 12 July 2018 01:53 (one year ago) link

Same track yes, if not the same recording, which is why putting it as a bonus track on "Einsjager" and calling it "King Minos II" makes no sense.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 July 2018 07:48 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

https://boomkat.com/products/essential-collection-vol-1

new vinyl box. looks nice. 'Affenstunde' (1970), 'Hosianna Mantra' (1972), 'Einsjäger & Siebenjäger' (1974), 'Aguirre' (1976), 'Nosferatu' (1978) 2LP.

koogs, Thursday, 11 April 2019 21:00 (three months ago) link

ooh, tempted to splurge on that. wonder how many volumes there'll be?

kolarov spring (NickB), Thursday, 11 April 2019 21:12 (three months ago) link

weird selection!

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 11 April 2019 21:32 (three months ago) link

is it a weird selection? not that I'm saying you're wrong but from a purely personal and subjective point of view Affenstunde' (1970), 'Hosianna Mantra' (1972), 'Einsjäger & Siebenjäger' (1974), 'Aguirre' (1976) are the classic PV albums

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 11 April 2019 21:41 (three months ago) link

That is indeed personal and subjective.

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 April 2019 21:43 (three months ago) link

They’re all classic but those are a weird combo imo

I guess they wanted a blend of PV styles in the box?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 11 April 2019 21:44 (three months ago) link

I think they managed that!

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 April 2019 21:45 (three months ago) link

Definitely managed that

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 11 April 2019 22:06 (three months ago) link

Does anyone know what the bonus tracks are. Also, I never previously knew there was a 2LP version of Nosferatu. How is that?

stirmonster, Thursday, 11 April 2019 22:59 (three months ago) link

iirc the 2nd LP is "On The Way To A Little Way"?

https://www.discogs.com/Popol-Vuh-NosferatuVampyre/release/7481847

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 11 April 2019 23:34 (three months ago) link

Bruder des Schattens is the rejected soundtrack and On the way... is the one that was actually used in the film iirc?

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 12 April 2019 00:45 (three months ago) link


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