DRAMA by Yes: Lost Classic or Justified Dud?

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Yes brings on the funk at NPR:

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1920058

Tom Terrell = the AntiMarsh?

Joe (Joe), Friday, 4 June 2004 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw very few if any persons of a non-Caucasian persuasion at the YES show I was at last month. I held it down for the Hispanics, though.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 4 June 2004 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Hrm, well, you guys + a store owner persuaded me to buy the super-dooper remastered-extra-tracks-25-versions-of-that-camera-song CD release of this new (for an admittedly good price) a little while ago. I only ever played it once after buying it although I'm sure I'll go back at some point. It's the only post-CTTE/Yessongs release I've heard. It was different from what I expected, and not really in a way I found appealing at first. I think I was expecting it to be more like the rockier parts of Fragile, with more concise songwriting and more updated production and electronics and synth sounds (maybe similar to what Rush was using on their early 80s albums), with maybe a bit more of a harder funk edge. I dunno, the guitars just seemed kind of wanky and maybe even shred-influenced in a way Howe had never struck me before and the sound just struck me as . . . cheesy. I liked how the integrated the acoustic instruments on the older records, which didn't seem to happen anymore and they seemed to have lost a lot of the classical/jazz/folk elements. I could be wrong since I just played it once a while ago.

(Did Dave Marsh say something about Yes and the racial makeup of their audience?)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but ... The Buggles! in YES! Classic.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

(Did Dave Marsh say something about Yes and the racial makeup of their audience?)

No, just an offhanded, tongue-in-cheek quip (that Marsh is from NJ and hates prog rock "because it is so removed from the taproot of rock and roll, rhythm and blues"), etc).

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 5 June 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I like it a little better on second listen.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

When I finally decided to check it out, it appeared to be surprisingly good. A bit confusing to have Yes without Jon Anderson singing, but still a great album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 23:32 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Reviving because there are more horses to beat dead

June 25, 2005 - Dates are now available on the Tour page for The More Drama Tour, which features Alan White's band White (with Geoff Downes on keyboards), Chris Squire with the Syn, and Steve Howe solo acoustic/electric. The performances will end with a "Drama-tic" encore with the four Yes members (who recorded the album Drama).

Still like Drama though...

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 1 July 2005 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
http://www.trevor-horn.de/dramahrn.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 16 December 2005 07:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I AM, I AM...A CAMERA!!!!

Joe (Joe), Friday, 16 December 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

And you,
may find time will blind you,
this to just remind you,
All is meant to be.

Joe (Joe), Friday, 16 December 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone have mp3s of the two unreleased Yeggles songs ("Go Through This" and "We can Fly From Here") that made it onto the recent Yes live boxset thing?

2x YSI = I will love you forever.

Jeff W (zebedee), Friday, 16 December 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

And does anyone have any recordings of the DRAMA tour? I'd love to hear how this lineup sounded live.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 16 December 2005 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

That picture of Trevor is klassic.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 16 December 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

And does anyone have any recordings of the DRAMA tour? I'd love to hear how this lineup sounded live.

Oooh seconded!!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 16 December 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

It's right here:

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=70230

You have to be a member tho...

sleeve (sleeve), Friday, 16 December 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Most of the accounts I've read of the Drama tour aren't too flattering. For one, the publicity for the concerts didn't mention that Anderson and Wakeman had left the band, so the audience wasn't too pleased at being surprised with Horn and Downes. Also, Horn did a lot of straining in the attempt to cover Anderson's vocal parts (well, who wouldn't).

I think this is the only tour where the band often received boos and jeers...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 17 December 2005 03:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Oops--forgot this all had already been talked about above...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 17 December 2005 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Gee I'd like to hear this.

Halloween Spooky Party Hints! (Bimble...), Saturday, 17 December 2005 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Damn the html~! My whole joke was ruined. Never mind.

Yes I would truthfully like to hear this. Carry on.

Halloween Spooky Party Hints! (Bimble...), Saturday, 17 December 2005 03:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, Horn did a lot of straining in the attempt to cover Anderson's vocal parts (well, who wouldn't).

Sting, apparently.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 17 December 2005 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Classic.

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Proggery! Very strange seeing Steve Howe not looking like something out of Lord of the Rings. Once you've seen him now - the ugliest man alive - you can never forget. I love the way he needs three guitars to get through this song. Any of you techie types know what the deal is with the third one (the one stationary one, not the pedal steel)? Different tuning?

pleased to mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I believe it's a Danelectro coral sitar (i.e., electric guitar that plays a sitar sound):

http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/sitar/sitar.html

Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I LOVE THIS ALBUM

¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno, it's not terrible or anything but I never listen to this.

Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

The picture of Trevor Horn up above reminds me of Steve Dallas from Bloom County.

Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Me and Tall Paul were lurking near the stage door. Suddenly it opened, and a huge guard motioned to us. We hesitated just a second, then scuttled inside, and found ourselves standing in the wings. (This would have been in 1972, I think, whatever they were promoting then--the Eagles were on the same bill, but Yes was onstage!) From that vantage point, Squire and the drummer (Bruford or White?) ruled the mix, and they were great! (Marsh, Marsh, ever heard of fusion? As in prog-from-another-direction? Can say it's White as in pedantic, but: Stanley Clarke, Billy Cobham, etc etc, might say you're being pedantic, Whiteboy)(and obviously Vernon Reid etc. heard plenty prog)

don (dow), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Ok...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

compare the Yes/Into the Lens vs. Buggles/I Am A Camera videos

http://youtube.com/watch?v=feJ6IwEZOPI&search=buggles

Trevor Horn - born to be a producer, not a frontman, alas

timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 06:11 (seventeen years ago) link

If there's such a thing as an antihero, Trevor Horn is like the antifrontman

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:11 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

lol, i just listened to Does It Really Happen - that song rocks despite the daft lyrics. Squire's vocals are really up front on that one.
and Downes horn-like synth on the outro really paved the way for his immortal Only Time Will Tell bit with Asia.

gershy, Sunday, 24 June 2007 07:09 (sixteen years ago) link

i am a camera

chaki, Sunday, 24 June 2007 07:20 (sixteen years ago) link

all is meant to be

gershy, Sunday, 24 June 2007 07:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I *finally* found some mp3s of one of the Drama tour shows. It's really, truly and utterly embarassing because of Horn's inability to fill Anderson's shoes in a live setting. Had to get rid of said bootleg or else I'd never be able to listen to Drama again.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Sunday, 24 June 2007 10:07 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

i'm getting all yessed out tonite - DAMN YOU, BOOZE!

gershy, Sunday, 21 October 2007 06:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Cannot listen to this album without skipping half of it. I can (and occasionally do) even listen to Tormato in one piece.

Autumn Almanac, Monday, 22 October 2007 06:06 (sixteen years ago) link

weird, this is easily one of their best, and so much better than tormato. this album is kind of evil and weird sounding most of the time! horn's vocals are great.

akm, Monday, 22 October 2007 06:08 (sixteen years ago) link

This album rules!

Davey D, Monday, 22 October 2007 06:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Alright, I'm going to listen to this tonight also

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 22 October 2007 06:41 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Steve Howe's guitar solo on "Temput Fugit" must be one of the best solos ever.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 22 November 2007 09:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Fuck yeah!

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 22 November 2007 19:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Steve Howe's guitar solo on "Temput Fugit" must be one of the best solos ever.

-- Geir Hongro, Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:59 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link

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Fuck yeah!

-- Alex in NYC, Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Good lord--Geir and Alex in agreement? Mark my words: The Apocalypse is nigh!

JN$OT, Thursday, 22 November 2007 19:20 (sixteen years ago) link

whatver J$NOT

chaki, Thursday, 22 November 2007 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

hoho--like that's original!

JN$OT, Thursday, 22 November 2007 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I and Alex agree on most hip-hop, so it isn't a first. :)

Geir Hongro, Friday, 23 November 2007 00:53 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

have we mentioned that the Drama lineup (plus the new singer, and no Jon Anderson) is back?

http://heavyrocktheplaylist.blogspot.com/2011/03/yes-new-album-fly-from-here-out-in-july.html

akm, Thursday, 7 April 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I like this album, probably my 3rd fave after Yes Album and 90125.

Mark, Saturday, 9 April 2011 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JvCQ1kMjFQ

buzza, Sunday, 17 April 2011 05:37 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

new album cover art to stare at while you are stoned:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa176/akmonday/YES_-_FLY_FROM_HERE_COVER.jpg

akm, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 03:59 (twelve years ago) link

"Arriving UFO" was Jon Anderson making sure that Klaatu and Jefferson Airplane didn't get all the credit when the aliens landed.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 12 August 2021 14:33 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

every time I listen to this album it hits me how great it would've been had Yes just called it a day after this. they could've still done the 90125 stuff under Cinema or whatever the original name was supposed to be but to leave "Tempus Fugit" as the last song in their catalogue would have been perfect.

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 20:48 (two years ago) link

Atlantic Records wasn't going to let such a valuable trademark go unused.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 21:32 (two years ago) link

they have several spots in their history when it would have been wise to stop: here; after 90125; after Big Generator; after Magnification; after Fly from Here. The only thing you can count on is that they will not stop and will continue to put out albums that half their fanbase detests

akm, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 22:59 (two years ago) link

I still love this record.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 23:25 (two years ago) link

"Also wonder whether Horn’s wife passing had an impact on him deciding to “rejoin the band.” Tempus Fugit indeed."

haha, my read on this was "horn's wife hated Yes so much that as soon as she died he was like, "cool, now I can be in Yes again!"

I suspect this very scenario has played out on the listening side with a number of their fans.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 01:20 (two years ago) link

they have several spots in their history when it would have been wise to stop: here; after 90125; after Big Generator; after Magnification; after Fly from Here. The only thing you can count on is that they will not stop and will continue to put out albums that half their fanbase detests

after Talk might've been a good one too. I think they made some pretty decent albums in their nostalgia phase but I'm struggling to think of a single tune other than "The Ladder" (which fucking rocks) that would fit on a "best of" compilation

frogbs, Sunday, 31 October 2021 03:18 (two years ago) link

I'm not an expert in their later era but I do like "Mind Drive".

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 31 October 2021 04:35 (two years ago) link

I think there are a few pretty good songs on Magnification, dunno if I'd slot them as 'best of all time' though. Into the Storm belongs on a best of though.

akm, Sunday, 31 October 2021 19:35 (two years ago) link

both the long tracks on the KTA albums remind me of Tales, where the cool bits are almost but not quite good enough to justify the length

the thing is with Talk they were at least trying to do something different and evolve their sound somehow, which made the proggier bits actually pretty cool. since then they've become a zombie band where the new records are basically irrelevant - even if they are fairly decent they are all kinda forgettable and the songs from them get dropped from the setlist the moment the album release cycle is over. none of it adds a thing to the band's legacy. obviously there have been a lot of bands in that position but Yes have been in this mode for so long it's become a major side story for them, particularly in some of the ridiculous lineups they've been trotting out this last decade. at this point you wonder what has to happen...does Yes die with Howe or do they just keep on truckin' somehow?

frogbs, Monday, 1 November 2021 01:48 (two years ago) link

Steve Howe will never die so the point is moot

witherspoons (Matt #2), Monday, 1 November 2021 07:44 (two years ago) link

If howe kicks it soon and it's before Anderson I think Anderson would get the Yes naming rights (he already got the end of that ARW tour to be booked as Yes) and I could see him trying to squeeze another tour out of it with Rabin and whoever else they can get to join them. If Howe kicks it after Anderson I can totally see Sherwood helming this zombie band for another 25 years.

akm, Monday, 1 November 2021 23:35 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Looking at the Wikipedia entry for this album and holy shit if this isn't the most pathetic, passive-aggressive band dynamic:

In June 1979, the Yes line-up of Jon Anderson, Chris Squire, Steve Howe, Rick Wakeman, and Alan White completed their 1978–1979 tour in support of Tormato. The five reconvened in November 1979 to start work on a new album. After the various problems they faced while recording Tormato, Yes decided to work in Paris with Roy Thomas Baker to oversee its production.[3] Anderson and Wakeman entered the sessions with enthusiasm and wrote more material together than they had before, but the rest of the band felt the songs were too light and folk-oriented and started writing more aggressive and direct arrangements.[3] The growing internal differences, described by Anderson as a "loss of respect for each other", led to Squire, Howe, White and Baker coming to sessions late, which discouraged Anderson and Wakeman, the latter at times refusing to leave his hotel room to rehearse.[4] Conversely, Howe recalls Wakeman frequently throwing peanuts at White's drum kit during takes of a song he was getting tired of, which in addition to being very noisy and distracting through the other members' headphones took considerable effort to clean up.[5]

Anderson and Wakeman left the studio to drink Calvados in a bar; in Wakeman's words: "Jon and I got really quite depressed and started crying on each other's shoulders and Jon said 'This is not the band that I love, this is not the band that I wanted to keep on going', [and I replied] 'I'm with you, Jon'".[4] The sessions were ultimately called off after White cracked a bone in his right ankle while roller skating with Richard Branson in a nightclub, rendering him unable to perform for about six weeks.[6][7] Following a break over Christmas, the band reconvened in London for rehearsals in an attempt to salvage the situation. They failed, and Anderson and Wakeman left in March 1980.[8]

Unfairport Convention (PBKR), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 02:34 (one year ago) link

Had to have been hell, imagine wrapping up on Close to the Edge and saying "hm pretty cool guys but Imma go hang out with Robert Fripp now, he seems fun peace out"

Florin Cuchares, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 03:05 (one year ago) link

I'm imagining this Wikipedia entry was negotiated by the most vicious lawyers each member could afford.

Unfairport Convention (PBKR), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 03:26 (one year ago) link

that Benoit David interview from the all yessed out thread was pretty eye opening, live touring musician sounds like an awful way to make a living

Florin Cuchares, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 03:53 (one year ago) link

no need to update my wakeman spreadsheet lol: "self-centred infant, fat-fingered oaf"

mark s, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 09:40 (one year ago) link

I love "which in addition to being very noisy and distracting... took considerable effort to clean up"

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 13:07 (one year ago) link

Right? It speaks volumes about how petty they all are.

Unfairport Convention (PBKR), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 13:33 (one year ago) link

Alan White seems like he was a remarkably nice and affable guy given everything he went through

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 13:37 (one year ago) link

White cracked a bone in his right ankle while roller skating with Richard Branson in a nightclub

I need more detail on this incident before I can form a proper opinion

end-times league extra (Matt #2), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 13:49 (one year ago) link


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