Lukas Moodysson

http://www.efilmcritic.com/review.php?movie=10456

Well, a charcter has had a labial trim, so the film shows closeups of that and other disgusting surgical procedures at random points throughout the film. Don't repeat my mistake and buy popcorn.

As far as pointlessly shocking movies go (gummo, ken park, i spit on your grave) this movie has strong characters and acting, and a good sense of plot. You can still tell it's a Moodysson film, though a Moodysson gone mad and trying to make a snuff film.

Moodysson really relies on those abused teenagers too much. It's a cheap way of elicting emotion from the viewer. Even his snuff filoms are sentimental. But it's still not a bad movie (and it's way better than requiem for a dream).

i wouldn't characterize lilya 4ever as misanthropic.... just a bit opportunistic in its mix of moralism and exploitation (see also david lynch, cecil b de mille)

p.s. holy shit i am NOT seeing this film. i can't handle live surgery

Me too. But A Hole in my Heart is too sentimental if anything, not too misanthropic. But as Amst says, you need a strong stomach to sit through it.

do they also have crankysons in sweden?

Now, from what I hear, the surgery scene pales in comparison to the guy-actually-vomiting-in-a-woman's-mouth scene... (I'm sorry I had to type that, but I am just reporting what I have heard)...

sure is good crack, though.

http://www.cinemaniacs.be/images/lilya.jpg http://www.vujer.com/material/filmer/lilja_4ever.jpg

I know, it's weird. Maybe they just shuddered at the thought of English speakers pronouncing the J as hard.

bbc4 announcers have been pronouncing it 'Moddy-son' rather than 'Moody-son' which kinda spoils things. i'll ask our swedish PA if she's not off ill again.

I see your point, but it wasn't their story. Some films present a narrative from numerous perspectives, some just focus on one character's subjective experience, and "Lilja 4-Ever" chose the latter path.

it's sometimes easy for me to mistake brody for a serious person but then i read one of his periodic columns in which he waxes philosophical about film history, a subject on which he is as much a pompous dilletante as the new yorkers' regular critics.

check that--they are less pompous.

I just watched this movie an hour ago! I really liked it, got the spirit of punk right although maybe a bit too cute perhaps. Brody article is ridiculous - "propaganda"?! ffs

What I both like and dislike about reading Brody is the tinge of Armond - the chest-puffing fulminations against movies admired by all those credulous mugs who can't see as clearly as he can.

took my wife to see it and she said it was meaningful to her bc she was a huge music fan and in a couple bands in her early twenties and there is something pretty political in this movie abt how young women aren't taken seriously, albeit told in a more lighthearted manner. but the pain and frustration is there in this movie as fun as it is.

The feminism's loud and clear. I don't know how Brody thought there was no conflict, just because it was handled lightly. I've read his review again and I can't imagine how anyone could get that angry about this movie. This bit is hilariously tone-deaf and ignorant about the history of punk.

"for that matter, their punkishness isn’t even an attitude, it’s a minor and bloodless style statement, a matter of distinctive but unexceptionable haircuts and garments alone, without piercings or tattoos, without inclinations to violence and without anarchic rejection of convention and order."

i think the movie is incredibly aware of how punk can be both "a bloodless style statement" and more meaningful, and this is indeed one of its themes.

B-but no piercings or tattoos!

i mean the girls exhibit anxiety about exactly that issue!

the movie does kind of mock the way that some punk degenerated into overfamiliar psuedo-political posturing (the way that the boys in that other band sing songs about a soviet leader who'd been dead for several years), but it's also sensitive to the way that the girls' rebellion has real meaning in the context of their lives, helping them to build a strong sense of self-worth and identity. which has a political dimension.

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it's funny that the older brother is into joy division as if the age and consequent intellectual difference between him and his sister is somehow isomorphic to the different between punk and post-punk

otm. Their rebellion is small but it's huge and vital to them and that's where a lot of the comedy comes in as well - that adolescent problem of perspective. And of course the fact that they're born too late for punk's insurrectionary years.

I love this film. One of the best films I saw all year.
What I love best is how much of it is about the process of actually forming a band and finding ways to overcome the things that stop you achieving your vision
it really benefited, imo from being a 'nice' film with little real peril or conflict.

Brody in a nutshell: passionate, unpredictable celebration of films he loved last year let down by boring, posturing dismissal of 10 critics' favourites just to show how different he is. http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/best-movies-2014

the film seemed to end at what would be the mid-point of where other films on a similar subject. that is, it ended on a note of what might seem like a mixed success at best--a kind of anti-triumph rather than a real "success." but i think that was in keeping with the themes of the film. even if i wanted it to go on another 30 minutes!

sorry for bad typos.

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i won't read that; reading brody seems about as useful (and good for my blood pressure) as reading armond white at this point.

i keep thinking that if i ever met brody i'd have to fight the urge to pull on his beard. i wonder if after he sees a movie it's filled with popcorn and spittle.

Woah..

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wow there is a sequel to Together set in 1999, playing at TIFF: https://tiff.net/events/together-99

I haven't kept up with Moodysson, but I loved the original Together

Yeah it was good