recommend me some essential graphic novels to acquire

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ooh, good thread. I know little about comic books, but have recently given in to them. I loved Watchmen and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. 100 Bullets is supposedly necessary. I'm currently reading Sandman Mystery Theatre: The Tarantula, which is good noir stuff, weird art.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:59 (nineteen years ago) link

What didn't you like about Blankets, Kenan? Too emo? I think Craig Thompson is a brilliant illustrator, though: he makes really good use of the page, knowing when to use panels and when to break free of them. Also, he can be extraordinarily detailed on one level (all the 1993-era posters in the girlfriend's bedroom!), while keeping another level (most faces) at beautifully simple broad strokes.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: Ariel Schrag, Potential, an account of the author's junior year of high school, published a year or two later. It's maybe more fun if you read the first two as well (freshman year: Awkward; sophomore year: Definition), just to get introduced to Schrag's life, although they're decidedly more amateurish.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:24 (nineteen years ago) link

And of course I second the mentions of Ghost World, Jimmy Corrigan, and From Hell.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:25 (nineteen years ago) link

oh jesus, Alan Moore's entire run on Swamp Thing which has finally finished reprinting is GREAT GREAT GREAT.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Hellboy's [...] not one of the greats.

Wooden lies!

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link

And I'll be the only one to say this: Dark Knight Returns

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i'll be the only one to say this, then - elektra: assassin

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

gaz OTbloodyM

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Transmetropolitan is good, but you only need to read a couple to get the point- they're all pretty much the same.

I can see how you could get this idea if you've only read a few of them, but really the entire series is one grand, and very satisfying, story arc. Probably about 60% of the issues contribute to it. It's good election year reading, too. There need to be more political comics!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i guess he's never written anything close to a "novel," but robert crumb has to be mentioned. you should start with either "r crumb draws the blues" or "my troubles with women."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

big vote here for "Elektra: Assassin". Bill Sienkiewicz > Dave McKean. And for pure "Wow, Jesus!" artwork, "Hard Boiled."

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

JD -- first see the movie "Crumb."

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"Batman - year one," anyone?

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, "Stray Bullets."

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i have the itch to spend a lot of money now. can't say why.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

i need to read more stray bullets. i have the second volume and liked it a lot.

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

My favorite Batman is "Arkham Asylum," which wouldn't have been possible without "Dark Knight" (a lot of things wouldn't have), but bests it, IMO. It boils Batman down to the caricature that he kind of is anyway ("Dirty punks!") and makes the Joker a filthy little pervert ("How's the boy wonder? Shaving yet?"). Dave McKean draws.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:38 (nineteen years ago) link

meh

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

What didn't you like about Blankets? Too emo?

Well, yeah. It's just me, I know. I don't go to comics to see people being sensitive. Combine that with a lot of the genuinely whiny crap that has been selling at the comic store lately, and I guess I'm just not able to appreciate "Blankets" for what it is. It might be Stevie Ray Vaughn, but white-boy blues gets on my nerves in general, you know?

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

actually though, yeah, the joker is pretty great in AA.

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't go to comics to see people being sensitive.

With the exception of Chris Ware, who is the exception the proves the rule. Besides, he's less whiny than just flat out fucking depressing.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Xmen vs Fantastic Four, Xmen: Dark Pheonix Saga, Ghost in the Shell


okay, these are actually trade paperbacks, but oh well.

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Alan Moore knows the score.

Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 7 October 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the crucial question here is "what do you like reading?". Absent that information, the only thing I can unreservedly recommned is The Adventures of Barry Ween: Boy Genius.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 7 October 2004 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

re: Alan Moore, of late, his books, while wonderful, are only for real comics fans. While some of the ABC titles may make a good introduction to comics, stuff like Supreme should only be read by comic book geeks of the HIGHEST order, to catch all the references, cliches and conventions he's playing with. It's meta-comics, comics about comics. Obv. he's always done this to a degree but like a movie like Chinatown, does it pass the populist test? Can "normal" people appreciate it?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 06:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I would guess yes. Supreme's stories are references to other ones, but they're also stories in their own right. Top 10 must be annoying if you know no comics, like watching MTV in B&W.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 7 October 2004 06:57 (nineteen years ago) link

you should also check out some of the marvel "essential" books. they're cheaply printed and in black-and-white, but the price makes them pretty irresistable. all the early spider-mans (volumes one through five or so) are great, and the third fantastic four collection (which includes the first appearance of galactus and the silver surfer) is just about the best book of superhero comics ever published.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 7 October 2004 07:10 (nineteen years ago) link

lots of top suggestions above but i have problems with graphic novel reprints of continuing series (sandman, hellblazer, 100 bullets etc) as they were conceived to be longer stories and you're only seeing a part of them.

my picks (mostly seconded from above) would be, Watchmen, Sin City, Dark Knight Returns (but not the second one), Top10 (all 12 issues are collected in 2 volumes), Batman Year One, Arkham Asylum, Elektra Assassin, Plastic Forks (probably impossible to find now) and any of the Concrete collected issues.

new Dave Gibbons hardback, The Originals, out this month btw, looks great but is about Mods. http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13693

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 7 October 2004 07:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i have problems with graphic novel reprints of continuing series (sandman, hellblazer, 100 bullets etc) as they were conceived to be longer stories and you're only seeing a part of them

No offense, but that's nonsense. Hellblazer's had a dozen writers over 200 issues, some of whom (Paul Jenkins, I'm looking at you) only served to tie up loose ends from three or four writers ignoring and rewriting each others work. And there's at least one (self-contained) Sandman collection where it's clear that Neil Gaiman doesn't really have a grand concpetion of where he's going.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 7 October 2004 08:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, it's not self-contained (I'm talking about The Kindly Ones here), I was overstating my case there.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 7 October 2004 08:37 (nineteen years ago) link

bought Hellblazer 200 yesterday as it happens (but am missing 197)...

actually, yes, Hellblazer wasn't a good example as it does seem to have self-contained 4 or 5 issue storylines. but, given that there are 200 issues available now, which one do you pick? i'd much rather buy something that contained all 12 issues of something that was planned as 12 issues, that had a beginning, a middle and an end, than something that was just a snippet of a much bigger thing. that was my point, stated badly 8)

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 7 October 2004 08:44 (nineteen years ago) link

although its always great to pick up a trade, go WOW, and realise...holy fuck theres MORE MORE MORE

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:05 (nineteen years ago) link

The thing that's not been mentioned yet (which definitely has that) is JLA, but I'm guessing that if Gear wanted to be a fan of What Comics Do Best, he'd already be one.

My other recommendation is for him to ask what his hipster ex-roommate reads, then avoid that, but then I hate emocomics.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Ennis' 'Uknown Soldier' is a good read. One of the best things he's done, partly due to the lack of dodgy politics.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

nausicaa of the valey of wind! the story kinda fizles out in the end but its a hel of a ride until you get there.

i would recomend "lone wolf and cub" as well but thats a lot of paper to buy. so better stick with "the legend of kamui" by sanpei shirato which is drawn in similar style but is moer concise and dramatic. and has girls.

:|, Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

i had forgotten all about plastic forks!

plenty of good titles listed.

Grendel, Black White & Red is another

kephm, Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Kamui more concise? Surely it's a contender for longest comic series EVER?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 7 October 2004 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

My favorite Clowes is still Like A Velvet Glove Cast In Iron, though it seems to get dismissed (or forgotten) more and more as time goes by.

In 7th grade I thought that 4-volume original Elfquest stuff was the shit! Made me have funny feelings about...things.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

CAMELOT 3000

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

like a velvet glove cast in iron is fucking brilliant, my favorite clowes by a mile.

for non-indie stuff, Sandman seconded, I devoured the whole series in a three month jag, probably read it too quickly. There are lulls in it but on the whole it's staggering. I'm not big on Gaiman when he gets too twee or clever but he's in check most of the time in the series. The early Hellblazer stories are pretty good but it lost focus and became uninteresting to me quickly. I hate, hate, hate Preacher. The Invisibles was pretty good but I never got the desire to finish it after a point. You can't go wrong with Watchmen (most Moore stuff is pretty good, even the recent things; Top 10 was cool, Tomorrow Stories was fun; Promethea was great up to the point where it didn't seem like a story was ever really going to happen, it seems like it was just an extended character sketch), and From Hell is brilliant. the Moore Swamp Thing stories are collected now and are really good too.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

is it still possible to find the Madman collections for reasonable prices? (or maybe they never appreciated and i will never be able to find them because no one remembers them and they're probably not as good as i thought they were when i was 12).

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I think all Madman collections (& other Mike Allred stuff) is available via Oni Press. Check under "Graphic Novels".

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Kamui more concise? Surely it's a contender for longest comic series EVER?

omg youre right! i thouhgt this was all the kamui there was.

:|, Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

From Hell
Promethea
The Invisibles
New Xmen (with Grant Morrison)
Adventures of Luther Awkright
Moebius (check ebay for numbered series)

(yay magick comix)

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

There've been a lot of great suggestions here already, esp. Jimmy Corrigan and Maus. All I really wanted to say is that it kinda irks me when people refer to collections reprinted from the serial comics as "graphic novels" when they're actually collections (even if they do contain a story arc). I still tend to look at graphic novels as something that debuted complete, like Kyle Baker's Why I Hate Saturn, instead of something like the Hellblazer, which was originally designed to fit into a serialized format with ads between the pages and shit.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

both Jimmy Corrigan and Maus were serialized.
you should realize the term "graphic novel" was just invented cuz some folks have guilt over reading something called "comics."
we should get over that.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

(That's a small irk I guess, because it means that Los Bros' books wouldn't be graphic novels because they were pulled out of serialized versions...and they come together quite well in the end. And I guess that would mean that many traditional novelists wouldn't qualify either, since some pretty famous novels were actually serialized too. So like I said, minor quibble.)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm trying to think of actual graphic novels I have vs. trade paperbacks, and all I can come up with is Watchmen, From Hell, and Arkham Asylum, maybe a couple more.

Still, some arcs or mini-series are clearly meant to be of a piece, and just happen to be released in issues first (like the first Kabuki collection?). There's also the phenomenon of "writing for the trade", the same as filming for the dvd I guess.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I took an illustration class from some clown who said that we should aim for illustrating graphic novels, not comics. Wadda tool.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Quite a few! Be patient with me.

Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2020 03:13 (three years ago) link

Ha! Thanks!

djh, Friday, 20 November 2020 09:02 (three years ago) link

A few things I've finished recently that I would recommend:

Alt-Life by Joseph Falzon and Thomas Cadene (Europe Comics - Sci-Fi)
http://www.europecomics.com/alt-lifespecial/

Upgrade Soul by Ezra Claytan Daniels (Lion Forge - Sci-Fi)
http://www.ezracdaniels.com/#/upgradesoul/

Clockwork Apple by Osamu Tezuka (Platinum Manga - Manga)
NB: this is decidedly minor by Tezuka standards but worth the read
http://www.fantasyliterature.com/reviews/clockwork-apple/

Pulp by Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips (Image - Crime Noir)
https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-1-5343-1644-7

The Kill Lock by Livio Ramondelli (IDW - Sci-Fi)
https://www.idwpublishing.com/product-category/the-kill-lock/

Bread and Wine: An Erotic Tale of New York by Samuel Delany and Mia Wolff (Fantagraphics - Romance)
https://threeimaginarygirls.com/bread-wine-fantagraphics-reissues-timeless-romantic-masterpiece/

Starving Anonymous by Yuu Kurasishi and Kazu Inabe (Kodansha - Horror)
NB: This is a seven book manga series and pretty deeply disturbing stuff. Great fun!
https://kodanshacomics.com/series/starving-anonymous/
https://mangakakalot.com/read-om4bi158504913701

Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link

Thanks forksclovetofu!

djh, Saturday, 21 November 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link

yah, thx!

brimstead, Saturday, 21 November 2020 23:03 (three years ago) link

Anyone read Matthew Dooley's Flake?

djh, Saturday, 28 November 2020 15:28 (three years ago) link

Or Jean-Marc Rochette's Altitude?

djh, Saturday, 28 November 2020 15:30 (three years ago) link

Grr. Ordered the above two books only to find they already had them.

Anything new?

djh, Monday, 7 December 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link

Not in response to any particular requests on this thread, but has anyone else been checking out the TKO Studios stuff? I've read a few of them and some are better than others but they all look really cool on the bookshelf. The two that stand out the most to me are Goodnight Paradise (a noir story set among the unhoused community in Venice Beach) and Redfork (supernatural horror set in a West Virginia town ravaged by opioid epidemic and problems with the local coal mine).

https://tkopresents.com/products/goodnight-paradise

https://tkopresents.com/collections/titles/products/redfork

I missed the entirely to Wave II and own, but have not yet read, Wave III's werewolf noir Lonesome Days and Savage Nights.

The Fearsome Doctor Fang from Wave I was not a hit with me at all. SARA, by Garth Ennis, is pretty well-acclaimed from what I understand, and I thought it was okay but a little bland.

peace, man, Monday, 7 December 2020 20:11 (three years ago) link

I have the Planetary Omnibus coming my way for Xmas, which I am expecting to enjoy.

Some recent GN purchases -

Seth - Wimbledon Green
Tom Gauld - Mooncop
Inio Asano - Nijigahara Holograph
Warren Ellis - Injection

All good, especially Wimbledon Green and Injection

Maresn3st, Monday, 7 December 2020 20:25 (three years ago) link

I also bought the first few volumes of Bill Willingham's 'Fables' for my nephew's secret Santa and it looks pretty interesting.

Maresn3st, Monday, 7 December 2020 20:27 (three years ago) link

Oh, one more, Jodorowsky and Moebius' 'The Incal' perhaps not a 14-year-old read, well maybe a trippy but edifying 14-year-old read, I'd have definitely been into it at that age, I think. The artwork alone is amazing.

Maresn3st, Monday, 7 December 2020 20:30 (three years ago) link

Fables is a good pick for teens who would vibe on it, because there are so. many. volumes

huge rant (sic), Monday, 7 December 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link

For some out-there stuff that's still PG rated, I liked V1 of Prism Stalker. Setting and story is A+ but the art is B-/C+ -- sloane leong is not great at drawing action poses.

wasdnuos (abanana), Monday, 7 December 2020 23:18 (three years ago) link

I think Trondheim’s INFINITY 8 is among the best comics of the year. All 24 issues available in English.

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 01:24 (three years ago) link

8 volumes? A shame they're all in hardcover but it looks interesting. Has that changing art crew like Dungeon.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link

Doesn't seem PG rated with the nudity, same goes for Dungeon, looks deceptively child friendly and my copy of Dungeon Monsters: Heartbreaker says "perfect for kids" on the back cover and has two rape scenes; obviously whoever wrote that read different volumes.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 17:15 (three years ago) link

oh yeah they (and dungeon) aren't for kids. didn't note that was your line. i thought crowded by image was okay and might be teen appropriate?
https://imagecomics.com/comics/releases/crowded-vol-1-tp

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link

Assuming this thread is still serving DJH's 14 year old.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 8 December 2020 17:21 (three years ago) link

i'm serving gear from 16 years ago

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 17:24 (three years ago) link

x-post. Thanks Robert. This thread has been so useful for buying presents for a close friends kids ... but doesn't have to be *all about me*.

djh, Friday, 11 December 2020 19:50 (three years ago) link


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