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Apparently Adam Faith's last words were "God Channel 5 is shit!"

Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 11 May 2003 18:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Actually, it's C4 that gets worse by the day - that AWFUL Heather Mills docuslag was a new low

Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 11 May 2003 18:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

That's the one, Ailsa.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 11 May 2003 19:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I just read an interview with Adam Faith's bit on the side where she said that his last words were "Channel 5 is shit" - apparently she was trying to distract his attention from a late-night film and he passed the aforementioned comment then had a heart attack.

Sadly can't find this article on-line anywhere.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 11 May 2003 19:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I saw the adverts for the Heather Mills doc and it looked like just what you say it turned out to be, an ex-husband and tabloid hacks pointlessly sticking the boot in for no merited reason.

Didn't have the energy to watch such obvious rubbish. That it was Ch4 putting this out perhaps doesn't surprise me but man, they need to sort themselves out.

mms (mms), Monday, 12 May 2003 10:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I thought for a minute that Fulham Ladies player Farah Williams used to be in Destiny's Child, but then realised that (1) no-one else had picked up on it and (2) I was just crossing current Destiny's Child member Michelle Williams and Destiny's Child ex-member Farrah Franklin.


Nick H, Monday, 12 May 2003 17:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

did anyone actually have the nerve to watch C4's 100 Worst Britons? everyone I've spoken to seems to think it is a new low for them. obviously you couldn't vote for anyone "dead or in prison". oh no, we can't have a serious assertion that Harold Shipman might be a rather worse person than Jordan (number two, would you believe) messing up our "light" "hearted" "clip" "rundown" "show", can we?

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Maybe people were voting for Michael Jordan?

Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

apart from anything else, though, the whole idea of "100 Worst Britons" is soul-destroying, the sort of thing to make you lose faith in humanity. yes, most of us have people we hate. but two and a half hours, or however fucking long it was, of C4 devoted to it?

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

maybe they were, Nicole - they being the same people who answered "Blue Suede Moon" when asked for a song with "blue" in the title ...

actually, I barely even know who the Jordan who is apparently The Second Worst Briton After Tony Blair Even Though He Won Two Landslides *is*. says it all, I guess.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

woo HAH - Lynda Block is coming back to Dream Team (she basically IS the show). she has a rather swish haircut for somebody who's just spent a year in prison

am also looking forward to series 2 of the shield (which is the best thing EVAH). I noticed it last night that it's already showing on cable but as I don't know how far into the series it is I'm going to have to wait another month for it to come back on Five

j0e (j0e), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 10:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Joe, what do you think the bad news is though?

The siege episode the other week was the best hour of tv I've seen all year so far, sheer genius.

Linda Block was in the really quite good Murphy's Law last night, with a very different hairdo at the end of it and an awful cockernee accent.

chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 10:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I dunno chris. I mean I'm *sure* Harchester won't go down. But then what other bad news could there be apart from having points deducted and thus instant relegation?

The siege episode was fantastic. But oh, Jamie Parker, how I'll miss you. I hope this means that Tash will fuck off, I'm sick of her moaning and frosted pink eyeshadow

j0e (j0e), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 10:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

They can't get relegated (I spent most of yesterday hypothesising about this on e-mail), It'd do terrible things for the continuity of the show and also for the coverage that they use.

I reckon it's that they're going to be fined so much that Phil will be bankrupt, hence the return of Linda. Phil and his secretary ride off into the sunset.

chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 10:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I auditioned Linda Block! I read the male lines and she read the female at the casting session. She wasn't the best, or the cutest, but she was easily the most glam.

Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 10:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh no, we can't have a serious assertion that Harold Shipman might be a rather worse person than Jordan (number two, would you believe) messing up our "light" "hearted" "clip" "rundown" "show", can we?

Come off it Robin. I can't imagine that the relatives of Shipman's victims would really want to turn on to find him slotted in between Jordan and Mick Hucknall. It had to be done.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 10:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I agree on the relegation thing, and think it'll be like REAL PROPER FOOTBALL. If a team goes down from the Prem, it loses some support - as will Harchester meaning lower ratings. People are strange enough for this to happen.

And ooh hooray, no more Nikki Peggs. But then how will Lynda Block get out of prison? (no ladder in her tights jokes please). Maybe she'll offer to help catch Patrick Doyle in return for her release or something stupid and random like that

By the way, I love the way that nobody in the show refers to her as Lynda or Ms Block but ALWAYS Lynda Block. In the wedding scene at the beginning of the series I wa sure the vicar was going to say "Do you, Lynda Block"

j0e (j0e), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 10:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Mark, that is the best claim to fame EVAH. I salute you.

j0e (j0e), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 10:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

My minor tv observation is that I stumbled across '15 Storeys High' on BBC2 last Thursday (promoting BBC3's output I think) and it is great. I am a longstanding admirer of Sean Lock, and this may be his best work yet.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 10:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If I see that Evian advert with the adults singing Queen songs with kids voices again I will scream. I hope the woman who bumps her hip against the photocopier puts it out and ends up with a GAMMY LEGG for the rest of her career. Hobag. And as for the old mang in the lift. And the runner. GRRR I HATE THEM ALL I AM OFF FOR LUNCH.

Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 10:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

j0e what is with your obsession with Lynda Block? does your mother know?

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 10:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's not an obsession. I just think she's ace


j0e (j0e), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 10:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

JtN i think that was a R4 series originally

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yes, you are right Snowy. But I think it's even better with pictures (eg last week's episode's WOMBLE MOUNTAIN).

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ok thats cracked me up

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

s4c makes me want to take crack

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

N. - I guess you're right but then I am SICK of the whole C4 "rundown" format for about 43293 reasons

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The gridlock disaster programme on BBC2 last night was scarily plausible on a lot of fronts, but spot the obvious mistake:

When are you ever going to get a mid-season friendly international on a Friday evening, particularly on the last weekend before Christmas? (There are always league fixtures that weekend.)

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 07:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

robin i think you should list them then we can all vote on their order of importance

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 07:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and get celebrities to add obvious comment

j0e (j0e), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I like the way snooker players take out chalk from their pocket. I also like the way they put it back in. Very camp & owing to position of pockets in waistcoat or whatever the fuck they wear. I impose this fetish on TV thread, as snooker exists only on TV (except I once lived next door to pro snookerist Murdo McLeod, who was beaten on telly a couple of times).

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 15 May 2003 23:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

jOe, have y0u seen the trailer for Sunday's dream team?

get yr hankie ready!

chris (chris), Friday, 16 May 2003 07:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ok I saw an episode of '15 Storeys High' on BBC2 last night and I'd like to second JtN's recommendation
biblical-scripture-obsessed rat exterminator = classic

(no womble mountain in it unfortunately)

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Friday, 16 May 2003 08:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yeh that 15 Storeys thing was quite funny - it had Peter Serafinociwicz (sp?) in it which helps

stevem (blueski), Friday, 16 May 2003 08:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
Hooray! They were a bit stumped on Charmed tonight until they decided to reverse the polarity! Always my favourite tactic in SF, but you don't get it in fantasy so often.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 28 June 2003 18:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Get Stuffed is the best thing on TV

ssean, Saturday, 28 June 2003 20:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

haha, the guy who sets up the tasks/challenges on Big Brother looks very like Jel! Why are Poison records not involved in the tasks, Jel?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 4 July 2003 16:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I totally thought it *was* Jel for a full thirty seconds.

Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 4 July 2003 16:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

All the female characters on Friends fit "politically incorrect" stereotypes yet, as far as I know, it's never been bashed specifically for this. One of the women is a chef and a neat-freak (she likes to cook and clean); one of them works at Bloomingdale's (she likes to shop) and one of them is just a ditzy blonde. That's my minor TV observation.

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 5 July 2003 04:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

But the men are just as flawed - this is how comedy works, surely? The long tradition in comedy has been, in the majority of cases, for the men to be flawed and funny and the women to be capable and far less flawed and therefore not very funny. The Simpsons, great as it is, mostly falls into this trap. Positive images of women do not generally make great comedy.

I do agree that the flaws of Monica particularly are about a hundred times as likely to be ascribed to women as men, but I'd have thought Rachel's brand of shallowness is no more stereotypically female than Joey's is male, and Phoebe's ditziness doesn't seem to me to resemble the usual dizzy blonde stereotype at all.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 July 2003 11:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

but Friends has followed The Simpsons and most comedies in accentuating the flaws of the characters more and more until thats all the characters are - parodies of themselves. Monica is now married yet more neurotic/demented/nerdy than ever, Ross also became more irritating in his mannerisms and stuff. i guess the others are more or less the same but Rachel ended up being the most likeable one - her only flaw was a penchant for materialism but she admitted to this freely so it was sorta loveable in the end. I suppose I should point out that yeh I still watch Friends (hangs head) but I swear I don't enjoy it much (unlike the repeats, heh).

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 5 July 2003 12:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I agree, Martin, I agree, political correctness isn't funny and I really liked the show for awhile (I don't watch it anymore for the reasons steve just mentioned, not because I'm a P.C. nazi.) I just think the show's use of old-fashioned female stereotypes is surprising when you think about it, and it's interesting that the writers manage to cloak the sexism of it in the idea that these are, you know, modern-day career women etc. As for your observation that the men are no better than the women ... well, then again, Ross and Chandler -- despite being nerdy and "uncool" and everything, are portrayed as being intelligent, whereas none of the female characters are, and maybe Joey's cartoonish stupidity serves to distract people from that.

I mean, Cheers was funny for a while and played on gender stereotypes and everything, but it also (at least when Diane Chambers was around) allowed the women to have a certain degree of sophistication. Again I'm really not bitching or anything, I just think it's interesting -- I mean, it took me a long time to notice how old fashioned and (potentially) offensive the stereotypes are and I'm just surprised hard-core humorless feminists haven't latched onto this to get attention for themselves, you know?

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 5 July 2003 13:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

these stereotypes only seem to exist in coventional 'safe' American comedies tho right? not the light-hearted drama shows - even in Ally Mcbeal, Judging Amy and i guess you could include Sex In The City as it has no audience which are all career-women shows which address/confront the classic stereotypes of women in society and at least play around with them if not totally redefine them.

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 5 July 2003 13:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, and you think the female characters on The Simpsons aren't flawed and funny? Again I don't watch the new ones, just the reruns, but dude ... Bart's teacher, Ms. Krabaple or however it's spelled ... and Lisa's teacher ("The children are right to laugh at you, Martin") ... and Marge's blissful cluelessness and her older sisters' hag scuzziness ... I think the female characters are a riot on that show.

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 5 July 2003 13:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i think its different in animated series which will always be able to reflect real life in more surreal ways - messing around with the stereotypes is par for the course in The Simpsons, Family Guy, King Of The Hill, even South Park. its interesting that Futurama is considered not as popular despite the fact that its lack of an archetypal family unit for plotlines to revolve around means it remains fresher than those other shows, at least potentially.

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 5 July 2003 13:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I think stereotypes are an important part of comedy, Steve. I don't watch the shows you mentioned (have never even seen Sex in the City believe it or not)... But, hell, I know I fit into "negative" female stereotypes in a lot of ways (more than most women I know, I sometimes think) and it seems like comedy is just a process of taking these same old stereotypes, of men and women and other subcategories of humanity, and re-shaping them somehow. I'm just saying Friends has taken old-fashioned sitcom stereotypes of women (the ditz, the materialist and the housewife) and kept them surprisingly intact. It's a minor observation, lest we forget.

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 5 July 2003 13:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not trying to insult the female Simpsons characters, but I don't think Marge is remotely as flawed or funny as Homer, for instance, and this was true of the Flanders too, and it's hard to think of half a dozen funny regularish female characters compared to several times as many funny fairly regular male. There's a second level of very funny semi-regular characters who are almost all male. It's very far from even handed. I don't particularly mean to insult the show, one of my all-time favourites, but it's symptomatic of comedy traditionally regarding and portraying men as more flawed and funny than women. The long tradition in US sitcoms of the hopeless husband and competent wife was a particularly stifling pretence to respecting women, where I think it was just the opposite.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 July 2003 13:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Martin raises a good point in his last sentence. The women may not be the ones portrayed as the brainless co-dependant idiots any more like in the days of I Love Lucy, but it's still the women being sucked up to.

Strong female characters such as Cybill S playing the Bruce Willeses off a break may have represented progress, back sometime around 1986. But surely with that 'lesson' now learnt it's time to move on again.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Saturday, 5 July 2003 14:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The long tradition in US sitcoms of the hopeless husband and competent wife was a particularly stifling pretence to respecting women, where I think it was just the opposite.

Yeah, OK, hey while we're on the subject, I think Everybody Loves Raymond is interesting in this respect. Raymond's wife (I forget her name) is a stay-at-home mom/housewife and on the surface fits exactly into what you're talking about ... but, is it just me, or is she like the only family sitcom wife/mother (with the exception of Marge) who is actually funny? I think it's interesting that her intelligence and sophistication are a big part of what makes her funny.

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 5 July 2003 14:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

....but it's still the women being sucked up to.

by which I mean, the women in the audience.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Saturday, 5 July 2003 14:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

adding 2^7, 2^6 and 2^1 and dividing it by 2^3 plus 2^1

this was wrong. obviously. the first 2^1 should be 2^3 (200 / 10 = 20)


/me hangs head


koogs (koogs), Thursday, 10 July 2003 18:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
David Cross and Bob Odenkirk need to be beaten with sticks.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 12:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Your first episode of Bo Selecta is always the best.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 12:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

very true!

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 12:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I was recently watching that episode of the Simpsons where the school is cutting expenses, and they have Groundskeeper Willie teaching French.

"Bonjurrrr, yeh Cheese-eatin' Surrender Monkeys"

I occasionally forget that all good things come from the Simpsons. I'm sorry.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 23:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

That girl drinking a diet coke on a train. She starts seeing suggestive lyrics in the signs around her, she's suddenly "on the pull"... Then when the fella reading a newspaper opposite her puts his paper down he's a spotty teen with a loud shirt. Calamity! She turns to one side and raises her eyebrows in a "what was I thinking" sort of way.


Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 07:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yes she looks like Cherie Blair.

j0e (j0e), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 08:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
christmas adverts? already? pah

usually they wait until last week of october but both some air freshener thing and boots have already started.


koogs (koogs), Thursday, 16 October 2003 16:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have yet to see a Christmas TV ad, thankfully. Or maybe I just watch programs that wouldn't highlight Christmas ads. I have seen Halloween ads, which is more sensible and logical.

Magical New TV Show I Think As Many People As Possible Should Be Watching: ABC's "Threat Matrix". It's highly engaging and not one of those serial-type series that one would be totally lost over if one were to suddenly start watching it. Each hour-long episode highlights one complete story, and not every episode ends neatly or nicely. I'm really hoping the ratings for this show improve so it won't get cancelled.

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 17 October 2003 01:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

They've started showing a condom ad on TV here. I could be wrong but I thought they avoided doing this (in prime time, certainly). Anyway it's one of those fnarr fnarr overtly suggestive ads - woman sees statue of David's wang and goes "hmmm", man sees woman in shop window undoing mannequin's fly and goes "hmmm", geez they might as well have gone all Percy's Progress and had trains going into tunnels, it was that silly.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 17 October 2003 02:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
reviving martin's thread to alert him to the 'Roni Size's Bristol' thing that's currently showing on bbc3 (follow up to 'bloke from viz talks about newcastle').

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

is big brother officially an hour long now, on c4? it used to be 30min.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

has been 45 or 50 this series, occasionally 65 on weeknights.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"The Who" was one of the specialist questions on Mastermind, 2 days ago.

I managed 2 get more than mr expert..

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Has anyone else seen the ad on BBC for CBeebies interactive telly stuff? Is it just me, or does the mother on that ad look like the girl from the Chemical Brothers' "Setting Sun" video?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 15:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Thanks, Andy - I didn't see it, though. There was something like a 'Tricky's Bristol' on some years back, I remember.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's on again, i think, based on the 4 repeats of the newcastel one (not before friday though) and i still have it on the tivo.

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 14 July 2005 06:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Hah! Wait until later in the series when someone is doing "The Simpsons" as their specialist subject (cartoons presumably being way dumber than music in the eyes of the Mail-reading Middle-Englanders).

Amusingly, on a Mastermind-like show here called the Einstein Factor someones specialist topic was Futurama =) I missed it though, came in just as they were done. Damn.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 14 July 2005 08:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

There was something like a 'Tricky's Bristol' on some years back, I remember.

'Naked & Famous' may be what you're thinking of. It's included as an extra in the Tricky: A Ruff Guide DVD (available from all good Fopps for about £7).

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 14 July 2005 08:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Nono, there were "stars guides to their towns", I remember it as well. It must be five years or so ago, though.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 14 July 2005 09:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

8 years ago:
> Magical New TV Show I Think As Many People As Possible Should Be Watching: ABC's "Threat Matrix"

??? don't think this ever made it to england. no dvds on amazon either (.co.uk or .com)

koogs, Thursday, 3 May 2012 11:46 (five years ago) Permalink

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