― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
Both.
― Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 2 February 2003 13:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 13:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
a bar is bright and horribly clean. Has some sort of weird modern name.
a pub is old and smells of beer. Has a trad sounding name.
I prefer pubs, but then I only ever go to pubs when it is a FAP.
― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 2 February 2003 13:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 2 February 2003 13:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 13:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
Sometimes pubs become bars after "refurbishment". I was in a bar last night which had previously been a Firkin. Whether Firkins are pubs or not; the new reincarnation of the place is *definitely* a bar.
― caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 2 February 2003 13:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 2 February 2003 13:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 13:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
"let's call our pub the hackney!" "why would that attract anyone? ppl who live here already know which pubs they want to go to, and ppl who don't are surely by defn not attracted to being in places with the name 'hackney' — or they WOULD live here" "i know — the name isn't there to attract a clientele, bcz it's a pub and that's not what pub names do!!" "aha i get it: the hackney it is"
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
bars usually have the obligatory australian/irish/student barman and they do not sell 4 pint carryouts.
- and don't get me started on giant fuckin jenga players..!
― sundaybloodysunday, Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
Have you invented a time machine? Can I come?
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
"wasn't this place called [xxx] last week?" = it is a bar
but then of course the grey area is way bigger than decided area, which is no good to frank bcz not a good guide to how we use the words deep into the grey area, as we clearly do
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
I was serious about my cider on draught thing. I don't think he can go far wrong with that criterion. Soon he will learn the difference at first sight. Go on, give me counterexamples to the cider rule that don't come from the disputed chain pub/bar area.
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
cider on draught is an interesting criterion bcz it clearly CAN'T be judged prior to arrival (ie it as an element of "content" rather than "packaging") => i deem it epiphenomenal but only by hunchwork
("content" vs "packaging" is hardly a cast-iron opposition of course, since the ppl attracted by the packaging of an establishment swiftly go on to make up its content)
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
In a bar, I can ask for a white Russian or some vodka/cranberry combo and get what I've asked for. In a pub, they will have to ask me how to make one or I will take one look around and see that there is no way it's gonna happen so choose something else (the amount of times I have had to tell some pub-ning how to build the perfect Bloody Mary...arrgh).
Also pub staff ask you if you want ice in your drink if it involves shorts and barstaff don't, it's part of the service.
AB1, S&L, P&P are all PUBS albeit 'feminised' pubs. I hate them ALL.
― suzy (suzy), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
* Unless it's a whisky or brandy.
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
to me, pubs = where i buy pints (at least early in the evening - once drunk this can go out the window), bars = where i buy bottles of wine or cocktails. admittedly there are exceptions (although the only one springing to mind is the embassy bar, where i tend to buy pints but wd def say it is a bar).
― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
Can anyone tell me why bar staff insist on putting a slice of lemon into every short I order with a coke or lemonade mixer? This is prevalent in both pubs and bars.
― Lara (Lara), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lara (Lara), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lara (Lara), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lara (Lara), Sunday, 2 February 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 15:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 2 February 2003 16:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― suzy (suzy), Sunday, 2 February 2003 16:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
Still, generally, studenty bars excluded, bars have fewer pumps. They will *never* have more than four beers on tap, whereas a pub that didn't have at least six would be a poor pub indeed.
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 2 February 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
Like you say, though, if I see a lot of draught pumps I do think I'm in a pub. And generally speaking, Tavern Snacks are not available in bars.
As to the American = higher standards generally expected of bar staff, I disagree in my case as I have lived here for more than a decade. I remember when all I could drink from a pub was vodka and Britvic orange and going to buy cranberry juice for £4.50 in Fortnum's to give everyone in my flat sea breezes. Things have gotten much better here but there's no real tipping culture to bribe bartenders into making you a stiffer drink.
― suzy (suzy), Sunday, 2 February 2003 17:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 2 February 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 2 February 2003 18:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
pubs and bars are both cool when they are doing what they are supposed to do. anything in the middle is ugh
like, early in the night, you want PUB. it should be local, it should have old people in, you should ddrink beer, the carpet should be stained and dirty. there should be geezers. there should be plenty seating room to spread out in. there should be no music.
assuming there is goign to be no club the bar comes later, the bar has got to be the complete opposite. there should be music, it should be dark and neon, hopefully there should be some sort of robot, electroclash airheads with asymetric fringes should be snorting coke in the toilets, juan maclean records should be playing, there must be beautiful people.
no inbetweens ok
― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 2 February 2003 19:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
they shouldnt be played, not in a bar, not anywhere
― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Sunday, 2 February 2003 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― zemko (bob), Sunday, 2 February 2003 21:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
first pubsecond barthird clubend of night russian bar
― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 2 February 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― brg30 (brg30), Sunday, 2 February 2003 23:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link
former can be defined by capacity i guess.
latter by spending potential, i suppose.
you can put a number to both, as your definition, and those near the threshold number are medium sized, which are neither big or small, and then the further from that number the bigger or smaller a club they are.
you can do that to define whether a piece of string is long or short, too. using some form of average (e.g. median) value of all pieces of strings in the world.
― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.fancyapint.com/main_site/thepubs/pub2178.html
― toby (tsg20), Monday, 20 March 2006 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link
Errrrmmm... *studied*? I don't think so.
― Hello Cthulhu (kate), Monday, 20 March 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 20 March 2006 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link
i dont often think about the outside. in that photo, it looks like birmingham 1975
― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 March 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 20 March 2006 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link
which is preferred - bar or table?
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 20 March 2006 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 20 March 2006 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link
This is partly because it's not a "watch the football" pub, it just has a couple of screens which show (apparently) random sporting events. I really like it in there, haven't been in for ages.
Gabbneb are you calling some kind of FAP or did you decide not to?
― Tim (Tim), Monday, 20 March 2006 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link
(I'd be well up (?) for a FAP if persons wanted to go to the trouble, but don't really know my schedule yet. I think I'm going to be free on a sat night (the 25), and perhaps the tuesday or wednesday of that week, but need to hear back from a friend and make some decisions first. I may or may not be going to a quiz night on the Sunday. Don't know where and I'm guessing it's not music-related.)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link
Foundry remains stubbornly undesignatable for me - scuzzy - check, lots on draft - check, wouldn't order a white russian - check; yet the suspended bondage dolls and narrow demographic. I would just call it a "student pub" and be done with it except it's not right next to any school and everyone in there is about 30.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 20 March 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link
they fail to mention that its probably one of the cheapest bars in the area, which for me is a great incentive. for that i am uninterested in their opinions on this point.
― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 20 March 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link
i may also.....gotocamden
― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 20 March 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 20 March 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link
Where is this pub/bar exactly? ;-)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to be a stone cold thug (chap), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link