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We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

ok these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (ten years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (ten years ago) Permalink


deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

haha i think i some signed by artists too :-/

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah i kept that shivan solely because it was worth money since i played green/white almost exclusively, i shoulda sold it off

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

I saw this stuff mostly when I was in college - 94 - 98. I was too busy playing (then) horrible blues rock, drinking and trying to get laid. Trying being the WAY operative word there.

B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

I sold a revised "Fork" for about 50 pounds.

Ronan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

reading a thread for the first time and then realising you posted to it four years ago c/d

webber, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

Okay guys how similar is Pokemon the card game to Magic: the Gathering? Bcz I am getting stupidly good @ Pokemon (which did eat up all my spare $$$ this summer...sheesh Abbott).

Abbott, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

Y'all heard about The Eye of Judgment?

It's a Magic type game for PS3 that uses real cards and a camera, just came out. The camera scans the cards as you put them into play and then the monsters on the cards battle it out on your TV. The game keeps track of all the stats and shit too, of course. I haven't played it but it's getting decent reviews.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

This is me w/ M:TG btw, but I've also done the "use Portal decks and ignore most of the rules" thing.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

I found a coffee table on the streets of Madison once whose top was a glass plate covering a tiling of just a single magic card. I don't recall what it was, but it must have been the "unwanted" card.

libcrypt, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

there was originally some card that involved ripping one of your opponents cards that got "banned" under the sanctioned rules...have no idea what it was called.

I had a mox sapphire! and sold basically everything i had owned at some point in '98 (when i was 19) probably for like 450 on ebay...

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

spent several hours on saturday night playing Magic with ian and was pretty consistently beaten by his blue & black deck.

elmo argonaut, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

apparently people play creatures in type 2 nowadays? I am sort of suspicious of this, it's not pokemon. I wish I hadn't lost all my cards.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

i am so mad i couldn't find my old white/green deck when i was home this weekend.

ian, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

my favorite is the red & white deck.

bell_labs, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

-- Ronan, Monday, October 29, 2007 9:16 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

fuck yeah

deej, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

red & white is a hard deck to play!

max, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

there were good all red or all green decks around the time the "mirages" (was that its name) edition of cards came out.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 18:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

Lightweights. I suspect Gravel may be hardcore, if he's referring to the fact that Morphling used to be the only playable creature.

Creatures are for Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh. Magic is a game of technique.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

I can only say all this after spending way too much time sniping cards on eBay in order to play something like 3 times in the last year.

The fortunate thing is that Magic card prices seem to be way more stable than the dollar, so that's money in the bank folks.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

I did Magic waaay early on. By the time I was too cool for it I gave everything to some neighborhood kid, if only I had sold it for $$$ ;_;

Jordan, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

Was not at all impressed by Wizards Of The Coast's headquarters. It's like a mile from Ikea in Renton and looks like any other corporate headquarters. I at least expected animatronic dragons or constant fireworks displays or something other than reflective glass and a fucking fountain.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

urzatron decks certainly like it since it turns off ghost quarter but not their bullshit

ciderpress, Friday, 5 January 2018 17:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i loled when i saw the squadron hawk vampire in the card gallery again

ciderpress, Friday, 5 January 2018 17:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

have any of you sold off a lot of cards at once and what channel did you do it through? i don't really play irl constructed anymore and don't want to own 2k worth of modern cards

ciderpress, Friday, 5 January 2018 17:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ive buylisted stuff at GPs before and it was always a pretty good process - once with scg once with face to face and once with some smaller midwestern vendor. i sent them a list of what i had (or in scg's case used their on-line trade tool) and indicated which gp i'd be at. in general i got like 75-80% of what id have gotten selling directly to other players but i got paid in cash and it took very little time

(° . ° )― (Lamp), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I've sent a bunch of cards to cardkingdom and was always pretty happy w/ their grading. I think you probably get worse prices at a GP because people who are dumping cards are more willing to take whatever. kinda case by case though, sometimes vendors at events have very good buylist prices for random cards.

iatee, Friday, 5 January 2018 21:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

rip standard

ciderpress, Monday, 15 January 2018 15:57 (four days ago) Permalink

what happened

frogbs, Monday, 15 January 2018 16:37 (four days ago) Permalink


Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 15 January 2018 17:06 (four days ago) Permalink

okay I don't keep up with Standard at all but wtf at banning those four cards specifically. how the hell is that land ban worthy ??? Attune w/ Aether? wow

frogbs, Monday, 15 January 2018 17:19 (four days ago) Permalink

my guess is that event attendance is way down and ixalan has sold like shit to the point where they're okay doing heavy handed stuff to make it relevant. i don't know anyone who's actually played this standard willingly. anecdotally pretty much all my mtg friends and acquaintances have tuned out and are waiting to see what happens with dominaria

ciderpress, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:27 (four days ago) Permalink

'ban-worthy' is all context dependent here. they're trying to allow the decks to still exist in a nerfed version, not necessarily kill the best cards.

it does feel like they have completely changed the philosophy when it comes to the standard ban-list though. it used to be 'uh well I guess memory jar probably shouldn' a magic card' whereas now they're willing to ban pushed but not broken cards just to tweak the standard environment in one direction or another. eg none of the current banlist is even played in modern.

iatee, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:28 (four days ago) Permalink

I don't know if these bans will fix Standard, but they make sense to me. These cards allowed energy and mono red to ignore the natural drawbacks of their colors/archetypes. Attune allowed you to play a 3+ color deck while skimping on lands, which meant you could cram in more ridiculously powerful spells, plus it powered up your energy. Any multicolor strategy that didn't use Attune just felt bad by comparison because it was forced to pack in more lands and was still less consistent. Rogue Refiner gives you free card advantage and enegry accrual on a stick. The only way to stop Attune and Refiner is through countermagic, which never feels good because then you waste critical answers for finishers like Hydra or Scarab God. So, in most cases, they are just free spells with basically zero opportunity cost.

Red has similar problems. A red deck traditionally must win in the early game and would be outclassed if a game extends for a long time. Key weaknesses for red decks are mana flood and lifegain. Ruins invalidated mana flood and gave a way to win in the late game that was nearly impossible to stop. Weirdly, mono red decks often play more lands now than energy decks, which should be an indication of how messed up things have been. Ferocidon is more controversial, it takes away lifegain, but is also pretty easy to kill. I think mostly it was killing off go-wide and token strategies. Apparently it was created to fix the Saheeli combo, but then that got banned and only the hoser remained.

So again, Standard may just be swapping one set of problems for another. I think Scarab God, in particular, is only going to get more obnoxious in U/B decks. But I think these cards were having a unhealthy impact on the format.

Moodles, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:30 (four days ago) Permalink

I get that these were popular decks and the bans are going to cause a lot of invested players to be unhappy. For me, Standard over the last few months has been a grindy nightmare. I stayed away from both Attune and mono red decks, and instead spent my time beating my head against the wall with control variants and Grixis midrange. Both seem like they should be decent options, but the just don't have the consistency of energy and red. I've gotten really burned out on Standard, so I hope that these changes are a shot in the arm for the format. We'll see.

On a more positive note, this weekend I played some Modern burn for the first time in many months and did a couple prereleases. Both were really fun and a breath of fresh air. With Modern, it was just nice to have games that ended in a reasonable amount of time instead of the endless grind of Standard. With the prerelease, I think they've made a big improvement from the misery of Ixalan sealed. I put together a couple fun decks that did a bunch of interesting things and had fun playing with them. I'm now considering going to GP Houston to try my hand at some more Rivals sealed.

Moodles, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:37 (four days ago) Permalink

even though standard is (was?) pretty bad, I wonder how much of this is due to the magic growth plateau'ing and wizards freaking out. there were some other pretty terrible standards in recent history (pack rat...) and they seemed to be okay with waiting them out.

iatee, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:37 (four days ago) Permalink

One big mistake they made was abandoning the twice per year rotation before really testing it out. Kaladesh was supposed to be rotating out in a couple months, but got an extra 6 months of life, which just seems too long for such an overpowered set.

With that said, I'm seeing a lot of people saying that Kaladesh is one of the all-time worst sets, and I have to strongly disagree. I think it is a truly great set that felt like a really fun change from the tentacle-fest of Battle and Shadows blocks. It had great design, lots of fun new mechanics and a ton of interesting cards. Unfortunately, too much of the set was ridiculously overpowered. I hope all these bans do not discourage WOTC from going out on a limb with design innovations in the future.

Moodles, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:46 (four days ago) Permalink

yea I like the idea of sucking it up and rushing good counterstrategies into the next set. would really bother me to get invested in a deck and then be told that the deck isn't banned outright, but will get like 25% weaker. that's the sort of thing that would make me quit playing for a while.

frogbs, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:56 (four days ago) Permalink

pack rat standard at least had a healthy 2nd tier of decks that weren't far behind the pack rat deck and the thassa deck - i played the red devotion deck to good success in that one as it had a favorable black matchup and non-terrible blue matchup if played correctly. standard is always going to have 1-3 consensus best decks just due to the nature of competitive play, and that's okay, but good standard formats will have those angles and openings for other decks to exploit and i'm not sure we've had as much of that since kaladesh

ciderpress, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:59 (four days ago) Permalink

as cliche as the '5 factions' (or 4 in ixalan case) set structure has become, i think it's secretly acted as a failsafe for a long time against decks like energy or affinity dominating standard, as it prevents linear decks from getting too high a percentage of the format's real estate

ciderpress, Monday, 15 January 2018 20:19 (four days ago) Permalink

too bad Ixalan failed to do that

Moodles, Monday, 15 January 2018 20:22 (four days ago) Permalink

Lol four cards banned, huh? Well, I would love Standard to be fixed, but given the history of the last year, some other deck will become the new best deck soon enough. I liked this article about what can be done to fix Standard:

Vinnie, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 02:00 (three days ago) Permalink

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