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We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

ok these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (nine years ago) Permalink


deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha i think i some signed by artists too :-/

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah i kept that shivan solely because it was worth money since i played green/white almost exclusively, i shoulda sold it off

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

I saw this stuff mostly when I was in college - 94 - 98. I was too busy playing (then) horrible blues rock, drinking and trying to get laid. Trying being the WAY operative word there.

B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

I sold a revised "Fork" for about 50 pounds.

Ronan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

reading a thread for the first time and then realising you posted to it four years ago c/d

webber, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

Okay guys how similar is Pokemon the card game to Magic: the Gathering? Bcz I am getting stupidly good @ Pokemon (which did eat up all my spare $$$ this summer...sheesh Abbott).

Abbott, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

Y'all heard about The Eye of Judgment?

It's a Magic type game for PS3 that uses real cards and a camera, just came out. The camera scans the cards as you put them into play and then the monsters on the cards battle it out on your TV. The game keeps track of all the stats and shit too, of course. I haven't played it but it's getting decent reviews.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

This is me w/ M:TG btw, but I've also done the "use Portal decks and ignore most of the rules" thing.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

I found a coffee table on the streets of Madison once whose top was a glass plate covering a tiling of just a single magic card. I don't recall what it was, but it must have been the "unwanted" card.

libcrypt, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

there was originally some card that involved ripping one of your opponents cards that got "banned" under the sanctioned rules...have no idea what it was called.

I had a mox sapphire! and sold basically everything i had owned at some point in '98 (when i was 19) probably for like 450 on ebay...

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

spent several hours on saturday night playing Magic with ian and was pretty consistently beaten by his blue & black deck.

elmo argonaut, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

apparently people play creatures in type 2 nowadays? I am sort of suspicious of this, it's not pokemon. I wish I hadn't lost all my cards.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

i am so mad i couldn't find my old white/green deck when i was home this weekend.

ian, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

my favorite is the red & white deck.

bell_labs, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

-- Ronan, Monday, October 29, 2007 9:16 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

fuck yeah

deej, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

red & white is a hard deck to play!

max, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

there were good all red or all green decks around the time the "mirages" (was that its name) edition of cards came out.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 18:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

Lightweights. I suspect Gravel may be hardcore, if he's referring to the fact that Morphling used to be the only playable creature.

Creatures are for Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh. Magic is a game of technique.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

I can only say all this after spending way too much time sniping cards on eBay in order to play something like 3 times in the last year.

The fortunate thing is that Magic card prices seem to be way more stable than the dollar, so that's money in the bank folks.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

I did Magic waaay early on. By the time I was too cool for it I gave everything to some neighborhood kid, if only I had sold it for $$$ ;_;

Jordan, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

Was not at all impressed by Wizards Of The Coast's headquarters. It's like a mile from Ikea in Renton and looks like any other corporate headquarters. I at least expected animatronic dragons or constant fireworks displays or something other than reflective glass and a fucking fountain.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

mono-w is free wins in all of the mtgo cubes. i guess most people find it boring

ciderpress, Monday, 10 July 2017 16:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

legacy dnt is my pet deck so I find it pretty fun. I think people think mono-red is boring but super powerful while mono-w is boring but a bit underpowered. my guess is that's because they build and play it wrong. limited manabases are very tight on colors so stuff like revoker/relic warder your signet and waste your dual will often win a game.

iatee, Monday, 10 July 2017 17:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

also underrated - commit to memory, which I think is in the high tier of blue cards, but always seems to wheel. new cards that people have to read tend to be underrated for a while.

iatee, Monday, 10 July 2017 17:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i played one match vs the guy who topped the board with ~45 trophies. he was running a mono W smokestack/resource denial deck. i beat him with my...BW smokestack deck

iatee i got 14. i thought i was done sunday early evening and just thought to take a look to see if you guys were playing. i saw you had 13 too and i was like, ok one more. pulled it out with a W deck w/ light U splash.

so yeah, i think we're all on the same page! i drafted base G a bunch too because it seemed opened all the time. but also always have my share of "this seems like it will be fun" decks

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 10 July 2017 17:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I try not to draft ramp because I hate playing green. it's def one of the stronger archetypes, but I loathe pure ramp in all formats. would rather play mono-red.

it's interesting that the guy w/ 45 trophies was on smokestack, I wonder if he plays it a lot and it's secretly underrated or something. I generally try to avoid smokestack and wildfire type strategies, they just seem to require too many pieces (many of which are in high demand) and they don't even guarantee a win when you have them all. in total I think I played against exactly one deck that beat me with smokestack.
attrition strategies don't feel as great when everyone is topdecking powerful swingy cards - like I think LotV is actually fairly overrated in cube.

wildfire decks are a little better because you can do a lot of simultaneous things w/ big artifact ramp / tinkerer effects.

iatee, Monday, 10 July 2017 18:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

iirc his deck was a p classic white weenie cube deck of the kind that tries to get value/disruptive low drops down and then blow resources up with an armageddon or stack. mine was more token makers, clamp, stack/braids except i sided those out against him.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 10 July 2017 19:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it's not really something i look for often but when you can get braids or stack down turn 3 and follow up with souls or ophiomancer that doesn't leave a ton of outs. and that kind of deck is resilient to/can run wraths and recover a board presence quickly.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 10 July 2017 19:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

weird, I never consider ss in ww, maybe I should be.

I think those stack/braids openings *do* leave a ton of outs. e.g. bolt your braids/ophiomancer. so many of the token makers are easy to kill. so you ultimately have a one-key-spell game plan which also just loses to counterspells without even winning 100% of the time when you do resolve your one key spell. plus you can't really play blue, which also neuters you deck.

iatee, Monday, 10 July 2017 22:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

For you guys that play MTGO a lot: are you basically infinite at this point or do you still have to put money into the game sometimes? And which format gets you the most value? I remember the calculator frogbs linked but curious if you all have a format where your winrate is particularly high. After about three years of not having to put in money, I am totally out of tix/points/cards to sell and I've been putting off paying again cause of wounded pride. HoD will be a fine set to skip it seems anyway

Vinnie, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 01:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

been pondering this a lot lately myself. Been slowly talking myself into investing in a standard or modern deck (or both) for MTGO so that I can get more reps in, but I don't know if this is the best way to build value or a collection. Limited definitely doesn't seem to be the best route for me, but I play much more constructed IRL.

Moodles, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 02:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i've had a couple good stretches, nearly a year once and another time 6 months, but it is super hard to do playing (non-phantom) limited only. the ingredients for the stretches i had were consecutive formats that clicked and also had decent card value but for true infinite you have to be really good, like 1900+ the whole time. i've heard in the past of ppl (marshall lr?) playing constructed to pay for limited but idk if that is still a thing with current payouts.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 02:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i put a lot of money in a long time ago and have basically been bleeding out extremely slowly ever since they got rid of daily events.

constructed play is still sustainable if you're average or better. sealed you have to be pretty good to break even, draft is a losing game unless you're among the best players.

ciderpress, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 03:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I've moved to online poker lately, but I definitely think I've been breaking even in the friendly sealeds, which admittedly are not the most fun event

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 03:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah going infinite off limited is pretty tough, esp if the current set doesn't have many chase rares. I usually build the mtgo bankroll other places and play current limited for fun. I borrowed modern dredge from a friend to prep for the last gp and it really felt like I was printing money. playing a tier 1 constructed deck at above average competency in leagues seems like the way to go.

flashback drafts have also been pretty good to me, I like to get good at all these old formats w/ decent money rares. I think people walk into those queues expecting to lose / have a good time, so they can be weirdly high value.

iatee, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 04:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

flashback drafts are super soft yes. especially for sets prior to like innistrad or RTR which was when the biggest influx of players happened i think. most people just don't know which cards are good in old sets and don't care enough to learn for a 1 week event.

ciderpress, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 04:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah I think I underestimated how much of my winrate/card value was from flashback drafts. I was doing about 50/50 flashback and latest set drafts for a while - when draft leagues became a thing, I basically stopped the flashbacks. Kaladesh + Aether Revolt quickly dwindled what I had built up

Vinnie, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 05:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink

first draft went pretty well, I think I solved this format

iatee, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:42 (one week ago) Permalink

seems decent

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:57 (one week ago) Permalink

my first hand in the format was 4 basics, cycle land, 3/2 white lifelink 3 drop and an aven initiate, that i kept with a sigh thinking to myself 'this ain't cube any more kid'

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 03:02 (one week ago) Permalink

The ol' draft Nicol Bolas strategy.

Moodles, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 03:07 (one week ago) Permalink

the browser triple threat...

ciderpress, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 03:44 (one week ago) Permalink

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