For your edification -- Taylor Parkes interviews S*M*A*S*H, _Melody Maker_, 1994

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Agreed. That bit where the lyrics are praised as "Poetry mate, fucking poetry" is monumental. 'Course the naive charm of "You say it, we'll sell it." could have gone on to do great things and *indeed* to encompass the spirit of the age. If only... if only the band hadn't, according to most accounts, hadn't sounded like complete shit.

Sterling Clover, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Whatever happened to Taylor Parkes? Last I heard he was in a band...

Robin, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

TP's braincell might have been on holiday too. He wants to be an 'ambassador of Context', jesus. Still classic Maker-ese like that really brings me back.

The Dirty Vicar, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't know, I don't think "Ambassador of Context" is such a silly thing. That's what's wrong with music journalism today (what's left of it) - writers are afraid to express big ideas and ideals. Print journalism, at any rate.

Anyway, I really wish Ned had not posted this. It's making me wish my back issues of MM hadn't got destroyed, and I reallly should have better things to do than sit around and read back issues of an old music paper. Oh well.

Nicole, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I see Taylor around crap glam clubs in London occasionally. Usually he's with a lady. i think he's paid to write stuff for Amazon occasionally.

matthew james, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Such a fun feeling, though, looking back. People actually cared about bands like These Animal Men.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The scary thing is I know a person who still cares about stuff like These Animal Men.

Nicole, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Gah! Who is this blight?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(This is not any ama/sc related in-jokery, btw.)

Need you ask? Who do I know that is/was obsessed with Britpop? To be fair though, she's mainly just into the Manics now. But she will occaisonally bring up blights like Carter and Gene, and to bring us somewhat back on topic Taylor Parkes! She was excitedly telling me about the Amazon reviews because she had a thing for him back in the day...

Nicole, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I really should have guessed. And I did guess that, but part of me was thinking, "No, she can't be into *them* as well, could she?"

Can't wait for Taylor to read this thread so he can learn about the groupies.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think I even posted something on ILM about having to drive her to see These Animal Men, because it remains the worst live experience ever.

Nicole, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I can see that. I'm surprised they actually got over here.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well.....it's OK, anyway. I think that when I did the same thing with Bis a couple of years later, I came up with a much, much better article, but that's not bad for a beginner (that was only the fourth feature I'd ever written for anyone). Kind of horrible reading it back, though, because I can see exactly where the editing has happened, and to me it sticks out a mile. All the awkward, journalese phrases I'd never use, pasted in, in place of a longer, better- written way of saying the same thing. That's what it's like at a national paper, though, with some justification I suppose.

Also, the kind of articles we had to write at MM don't archive too well, because they *were* disposable, and they were written with that in mind. Our primary objective had to be taking on the concerns of our readers, which were often minute concerns indeed. The bigger issues everyone remembers us talking about (most of which stemmed from an acknowledgement that pop is, for all its immaturity and its many sins, bigger and better than us, and to train a healthy pop response - that is, to meet pop on its own terms - it's first necessary to make our minds a little less lazy and squalid than they usually are) were only raised as either a counter-argument to whatever bilge the indie world was pumping out at the time (to shame and chill these people in the shadow), or as backup and context when plugging some new wonder. We weren't allowed to write stand-alone thinkpieces, and our word-counts were kept low-ish (2,500-3,000 words for a cover story). We had it easy compared to the trussed seals of latter-day music magazines, with their feature templates and wasteful sidebars, but we had nothing like the freedom - in terms of content as well as length - enjoyed by writers for, say, Creem or NME in the 1970s, or Melody Maker itself in the late 80s. I liked this discipline in a way, because writing for a weekly and being forced to follow trends, albeit with a take-the-piss option, makes one feel quite alive, quite useful, as though one lived in Japan or something, and as I said earlier, I was 22 or something at the time. A good age to be in charge of a weekly feed of very-contemporary, constantly- shifting opinions, perhaps a bad age to be allowed to write 6,000 unedited words that are supposed to go down in history.

A few months after that S*M*A*S*H interview was published, I ran into one of them in a bar in London. I anticipated a row, but instead he complimented me on the article, and said, oddly, that "we sat down and talked about it and we decided you'd raised some good points. It had quite an influence on us". A month later I heard their new single, a dancey, poppy remix of one of the album tracks, with a video that looked a little like the video to "Groove Is In The Heart". About three weeks after that, they split up.

Taylor Parkes, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Perhaps disposable, and yet their very hothouse nature lends them both an immediacy of the time and a snapshot atmosphere that lasts. The contexts may often seem ultimately petty, but they were important to somebody somewhere (and in your case it seems pretty clear that you had a more direct investment in the situation than somebody just assigned to write the story). I guess I would ask, though -- were you really that scared when you saw Ed with the bat?

The point about relative freedom to actually talk at length and how you didn't have that is very well taken, though. At the same time, it seems the limits can at least help you focus your points of view -- the end manifesto may be abrupt, but you state an ideal and swiftly back it up with useful reference points. Knowing me, even after editing I'd still need three times as much space doing a comparable approach.

And so they actually did try out your approach at the end? Hmm...

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Taylor: I thought your Bis piece was excellent, one of your best. As a self-examination on the indiepop mindset, it was comparable to anything Tom's written in that vein.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Thanks for the compliments. No, of course I wasn't scared of his silly baseball bat. It did make me jump, though. But a lot of the time, I had to use crappy slapstick language to get the article through the various editors, like bartering: one passage of faux mirth for 500 words without any quotes at the start of the feature, etc.

Thanks for posting that, anyway. I'm trying to collect specific features I don't own anymore, and that one was proving tricky.

Taylor Parkes, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yer quite welcome. If there are any others from 1994 in MM you need, I've got most of them around (though I'll want to scan them in next time -- all that typing was a bit of a thrash on my hands!).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
In the 'what the hell?' category, turns out there IS a new S*M*A*S*H page going here . My head hurts.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The joy's of English music papers. I'd love to see or hear one on our band. wwwstaplesite.co.uk They make me laugh.

Jay Marriott, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's long after the fact, Ned, but thanks for this. Exceedingly entertaining.

Mark, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yer welcome.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
So if you go to that 'new' S*M*A*S*H newspage I mention a couple of posts above you'll find that maybe the band are reuniting. My head hurts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 September 2003 14:50 (twenty years ago) link

Is this the same band? Because that "fake British accents" line is good for a laugh. (As is the listing of "Smash Mouth" as the performer.)

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Monday, 1 September 2003 17:00 (twenty years ago) link

No, it's this one

Michael B, Monday, 1 September 2003 17:19 (twenty years ago) link

'didgeridoo'! The axiom that a band should never ever ever ever listen to well-meaning crits proved beyond doubt yet again

dave q, Monday, 1 September 2003 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

Who cares about SMASH? I loved Taylor's Jimmy Greaves autobiography review in this months When Saturday Comes (if it is indeed the same Taylor) Also David Stubbs seems to be writing for them as well these days...strange.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 5 September 2003 11:29 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
Looks like S*M*A*S*H are back together again, after a "long break". See photographs from their recent gig (16 Oct 2003): http://vu.morrissey-solo.com/smash/index.htm

vu, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

i'd be all too happy tpo hear 'shark in my swimming pool' live...i see bring on the new wave of new wave of new wave (NWONWONW).

paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

NWOOOOO!

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

I cannot tell you how MUCH I used to love S*M*A*S*H*, but I couldn't name a single one of their songs now. Just say no, kids. I still listen to These Animal men sometimes, though! ;)

adaml (adaml), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 00:47 (twenty years ago) link

You're going to scare Nicolars with that kind of talk!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

"Theres a guy who sells singles over there / but he's not open yet . . "

Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 01:40 (twenty years ago) link

Lynksey, first Credit To The nation, now this?

adaml (adaml), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
In case you haven't read it yet:

Sat 28 February 2004
S*M*A*S*H and THE SLAMMERS play Hitchin Club 85. Doors open at 7.45pm.

http://vu.morrissey-solo.com/smash/index.htm

vu, Friday, 12 December 2003 00:22 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
is taylor's bis article anywhere on the web?

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

he has a blog (and a link to his website):
http://www.livejournal.com/users/taylor_parkes/

nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 22 February 2004 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...
Anyone who has an online journal is a cunt. Its as simple as that.

Smash are back and thats all that matters.

Micky Sheehan

Micky Sheehan, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

*looks down at watch* Ten years, yeah, time for a half-hearted reunion attempt.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

"cunt" is such a dangerous word.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

apostrophes are the devils cock waste.

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone who has an online journal is a cunt. Its as simple as that.

A novel way to ingratiate yourself with ILM posters.

Smash were trying to make 'Cunt' a positive word with all that Germaine Greer quoting after all.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 12:06 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't think anyone who has an online journal is a cunt at all, but i fail to see why on god's green earth anyone would want to ingratiate themselves with ilm posters, either.

stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Lady Love Your Blog

briania (briania), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha ha oh dear...

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

As long as there's not a These Animal Men reunion it will all turn out alright...

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
A Taylor Parkes reunion is the one thing nobody wants.

Taylor Parkes (Taylor Parkes), Thursday, 30 September 2004 01:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been wondering where you've been since the thread was revived a while back. Is all well?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 September 2004 02:34 (nineteen years ago) link

How was ITC, Taylor?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 30 September 2004 08:14 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
S*M*A*S*H were a fucking awesome band - still are - lomax in 94 was
ON TOP :)

peace to de and the boyz

moon, Monday, 14 November 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
four weeks pass...

Taylor Parkes' "J'accuse"/bitchslap of Tim Lovejoy in the latest When Saturday Comes is probably the best magazine article I've read in five years.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 13:17 (sixteen years ago) link

"'Lovejoy On Football' is part autobiography, part witless musing, and one more triumph for the crass stupidity rapidly replacing culture in this country. Hopelessly banal and nauseautingly self-assured, smirkingly unfunny, it's a £300 T-shirt, a piss-you-off ringtone, a YouTube clip of someone drinking their mate's vomit. Its smugness is a corollary of its vacuity. I hope it makes you sick."

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 13:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Anyone got the Bis article mentioned upthread?

Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 13:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Anyone who has an online journal is a cunt. Its as simple as that.

Smash are back and thats all that matters.

Micky Sheehan

http://www.myspace.com/mickysheehan

S*M*A*S*H released a new album last month.

onimo, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 13:38 (sixteen years ago) link

i wondered who taylor wrote for now.

he is a total fucking hero.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 14:00 (sixteen years ago) link

yo ithappens, you should hire him for real.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 14:26 (sixteen years ago) link

One member of Smash used to own a very twee shop near where I live. They're playing here soon, supporting some band called Goldblade - should I see them?

the next grozart, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Goldblade is John Robb's band, yes?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Smash the blue.

Mark G, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Yes

Boxing Kangaroo, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 18:38 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/145/29/

Here's the Tim Lovejoy article referenced upthread.

Also - original zing crew members. You know that fat, suicidal, bi-polar chick with the dyed hair we know? No, not that one, the other one. Apparently she rolls with TP now. Small world.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 10:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I actually read all of Taylor Parkes stuff on that site after you pointed it out to me, despite knowing nothing about football.

I'd still like to read the Bis article.

Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 10:55 (fifteen years ago) link

yo ithappens, you should hire him for real.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 15:26 (6 months ago) Bookmark Link

mfkn real talk

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 10:57 (fifteen years ago) link

This thread is the top result for Taylor Parkes Bis.

The only Bis related Parkes piece I could find, a review of Luscious Jackson: http://lusciousjackson.net/articles/moist.html

Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 11:00 (fifteen years ago) link

four years pass...

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