ysi a good track from the maneri, julio?
don't know as much about the jazz side of this, Emil Richards & the Microtonal Blues Band comes to mind remotely but I'm sure that's different.
― milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― OLD SPICE® CHEMTRAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link
though the term is usually reserved for music that's using a determined scale as an alternative to equal temprament rather than someone who's just aiming scattershot between the notes
julio, haven't heard the Catler Brothers but they're always referred to as 'jazzy' hey hey
Catler Bros. Crash Landing (custom electric guitars, just intonation) The Catler Bros. take the intonational explorations of virtuoso jazz to their next natural step, just intonation. Includes a rendition of Ornette Coleman's "Free."
― milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut ferry (donut), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link
not sure abt ysi-ing stuff - never done it
I guess I'm looking for other albs that show an use of microtones in a jazz context, maybe I can start comparing
thanks for the recommendations milton - need some just to comparison and more thinking
I'm playing the maneri CD now and its the playing around with the pitches at the beginning that's coming from maneri's horn that threw me sideways but I'm only half-hearing
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link
1) convert whichever track(s) you like to mp32) go to http://www.yousendit.com3) type in your email address4) find the mp3 on your computer and upload it5) copy and paste the link they give you when it's done to this thread.
― The Amazing Jaxon! (jaxon), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― OLD SPICE® CHEMTRAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link
if I get a track onto my computer I'll try it tomorrow sometime
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― OLD SPICE® CHEMTRAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.donellismusic.com/http://abel.hive.no/oj/musikk/trompet/tpin/Quarter_Tones.html
john eaton
http://www.newmusicbox.org/article.nmbx?id=876
haven't heard either yet
― milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 22 July 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.handofgord.com/donellis/#own
― milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 22 July 2005 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link
In less than one hundred years, this album will be obsolete. Reverb amplifiers, clavinets, loop delays and quarter-tone trumpets (not to mention conventional instruments) will all be junked. Time signatures such as 5/4, 7/4, or 17 will be too simple for the latest teen dances. And the hard-driving Rock sound will be supplanted by evenings spent receiving electrical jolts to the frontal lobes
― The Amazing Jaxon! (jaxon), Saturday, 23 July 2005 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Amazing Jaxon! (jaxon), Saturday, 23 July 2005 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link
*"33 222 1 222," "27/16," "Beat Me Daddy, 7 to the Bar," etc.
― Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 23 July 2005 00:33 (eighteen years ago) link
second side and the first track is really nice. lots of ambient weirdness. delays. kinda trippy. maybe because i'm on the second beer? it sorta sounds like something carla bley woulda done
― The Amazing Jaxon! (jaxon), Saturday, 23 July 2005 00:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― doug watson (solid air), Saturday, 23 July 2005 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link
the song i was refering to as a bit trippier is "Open Beauty".
― The Amazing Jaxon! (jaxon), Saturday, 23 July 2005 01:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― mcd (mcd), Saturday, 23 July 2005 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 23 July 2005 02:02 (eighteen years ago) link
& then in the sixties the free players _really_ started in on overtones and playing between the notes... all of the free players who are typically brought up were pushing away from the twelve notes & finding new things that worked
that's not what Julio's talking about with 'microtonality' where someone defines an alternate, fixed set of intervals and composes for it: that's what that New Music Box interviewer linked above meant when asking Eaton 'who else was working with microtones in jazz besides Don Ellis' ... systematic exploration. points to Ellis for designing trumpets with extra valves to nail quarter notes
but put on (one of ten thousand examples) the first two minutes of Coltrane's "Meditations" with Sanders & Coltrane battling it out and the same question seems a little naive, they're playing off the scale and they know what they're doing
I bought Maneri's 'Kalavinka' last night, need to spend some more time with it... definitely a lot of strong precise between-note sustains there
― milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 23 July 2005 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link
that is.. a lot of frets?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9MjtfEQl_c
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 00:11 (four years ago) link
That was pretty interesting.
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 01:20 (four years ago) link
Yeah, kinda...idk what I'd be looking for from microtonal rock.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 14:26 (four years ago) link
feels like if Allan Holdsworth grew up listening to Muse
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 20:16 (four years ago) link
dunno about how it applies to jazz, but I researched some microtonal theory recently. Our familiar music divides the octave into 12 tones, but you can divide it in other ways too. Some work better than others, e.g. 5 tones gives a pentatonic scale, but harmonic music can also be found in other divisions, e.g. 53-TET is 53 tones, others that work include 19-TEThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVZy9GUeMqY
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 30 January 2020 16:21 (four years ago) link
xyzzzz do you like Horse Lords?
― ogmor, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 10:54 (four years ago) link
posting microtonal riffs until everybody agrees that bad notes are actually good notes pic.twitter.com/OtjaNo4D8k— Virtual Trobairitz (@bastard__wing) May 5, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 07:48 (three years ago) link
ogmor - just saw this. Would you recommend a particular record?
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 07:50 (three years ago) link
This is tearing my head apart, kind of (h/t Drugs A. Money). Not 100% sure what to make of it but it's definitely interesting and I like Fiuczynski's tone a lot: https://giorgimikadze.bandcamp.com/album/georgian-microjamz
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 16:30 (three years ago) link
By ear, I can't tell at all what kind of tuning system they're using tbh.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link
there's a fella in Australia called Kraig Grady who has done microtonal work that I've really enjoyed
I wouldn't call it jazz (possibly jazz adjacent at times - I've seen him play with Chris Abrahams of The Necks for instance)
alongside the music is some loose world-building around the (fictional) island of Anaphoria, kind of fourth world vibes
in a fairly unexpected development, DJ Bonebrake from X plays on one of his records
― umsworth (emsworth), Thursday, 18 June 2020 04:31 (three years ago) link