Is M.I.A. all I need by the Germs?

That's about it apart from the live CDs Ned mentioned.

i know they released 2 albums - "tic tac toe" and "klappe die 2te" like 8-9 years ago

what's become of them now?

i want to know more about the boot dvd--is it the whiskey '79 one?

OTM. Manimal, Lexicon Devil, Circle One, etc. -- Some of the best punk lyrics ever.

Yeah I'd accept that--don't know myself what role Middle Class, Bags et al. played. My main point was that the musical styles were sufficiently different as to be unsuitable for comparison, but I guess I revealed by preferences by painting Germs as "genre-bound" and X as not, though could be categorized as a rock band, which is limited enough. (I became aware of the Germs when the hardcore scene was in its prime, and they were seen as canonical to it, so that colored my statement.)

You could say that the Germs' music was more productive, given the rash of hardcore bands, while I don't know of any X imitators.

-- pdf (newyorkisno...), May 23rd, 2005 9:34 AM.

One needs everything by the Germs.

It would take some work to imitate Billy Zoom's guitar playing.

holy shit, you are miles beneath a sea of wrong.

I believe there are some songs on the What We Do Is Secret 12" that didn't make it onto MIA.

all of the songs are on MIA, don't know if they're the same versions though.

Drew gave a fan-tastic paper at EMP about the Germs and the Germs movie, abstract follows:

HOW TO ACT LIKE DARBY CRASH
"In March of 2004 Los Angeles punk rock band The Germs played a reunion concert in conjunction with an attempt to sustain momentum on a beleaguered film project about the Germs, entitled 'What We Do Is Secret.' The concert had a perverse and telling sequence of events: first the actors playing the Germs in the film performed, and then the surviving members of the original lineup, Pat Smear, Don Bolles, and Lorna Doom, walked onstage and replaced them, with the actor Shane West remaining onstage and playing the role of Darby Crash as the reunited Germs performed around and against him. I am going to try to provide an exploded view of the aspirations, tensions, and impasses encapsulated in this particular moment of masquerade; I intend to read this concert, and the proposed film itself, as a symptom of the representational crisis engendered by Darby's suicide and the necessity/impossibility of mourning that it enforces, and as a particularly overdetermined site of conflict between punk rock, Hollywood, and history. I am specifically interested in how the discourse of authenticity and direct expression typically used to legitimate punk rock as a youth culture phenomenon runs up against its limits as it becomes translated through dramatic re-enactment, and in how such second-order simulations, far from simply betraying an original moment of truth, might help reveal and foreground certain performative dimensions already implicit within the culture they burlesque. As examples of that performative dimension specific to the Germs, I intend to discuss 'Germs burns' (a cigarette burn on the inner left wrist bestowed as an initiation into a fan community by members of the Germs or their inner circle of friends) as cases of what Freud termed 'the open wound' of melancholia, and also to talk about punk names and stage names in relation to Jan Paul Beahm's identity as Bobby Pyn / Darby Crash. "

SUICIDAL TENDENCIES & THE GERMS
Dead Kennedys, Marky Ramone, Flipper
Grand Olympic Auditorium
Saturday, October 29th

So the Live at the Starwood disc that came out documenting the Germs 'reunion'/last ever show before Darby ended it all is rough-sounding and legend-burnishing and all that. Still, great stuff.

anybody else think Bad Religion musta been influenced by the Germs re: their occasional veering into minor keys for semi folksy bits...

They were both LA bands. Darby died the same year Bad Religion formed. I think it's safe to say there was some influence.

Don't think they sound much alike though.

I don't, either, in terms of their overall characteristic sound, just think there might have been a little influence that lasted even beyond their early hardcore days....

I believe there are some songs on the What We Do Is Secret 12" that didn't make it onto MIA.

all of the songs are on MIA, don't know if they're the same versions though.
Can confirm my 6 year old vague guess via Discogs, there are 2 live tracks on What We Do Is Secret, the versions on MIA are from the GI LP.

i don't know why i never checked out the germs, i probably read about them first in 'lipstick traces', maybe that just made them sound like a train wreck

but whatever the cause i think someone was seriously underselling darby crash as a frontman, because he is great

great, great lyricist as well, once I finally read the lyrics I was blown away cuz it's not like his delivery is very clear and I had never really understood them

it is kinda funny that he wrote lyrics that clearly reflect an attention to detail and craft and then was like eh fuck it when it came to delivering them

pretty suURUEAUUAAAAAAAAHHHRRRRRRUUEUEERRWWWWWHHHYYYEEEEEGGGUUGHHHe you can't pull that kinda performance off w/o a little attention

Rumors on Twitter that Lorna Doom may have passed. No confirmation yet.

Just saw it on fb (from the Carlos Nunez account).

Right, and this appears to be as close to confirmation as one can ask for, sadly.

R.I.P. Lorna Doom of the Germs

— Stella KXLU (@StellaKXLU) January 16, 2019

RIP

there's a fucking awesome bootleg dvd making the rounds

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, May 24, 2005

YSI?

Picked up a good copy of GI, what a perfect mess of a record

like X with Ray Manzarek, they were lucky to have a rock pro in their corner to ensure that they got good, competent, production that didn't try to defang them or change who they were, rare in those days

agree on both points (even if I kinda hate Manzarek)