Insane Clown Posse Fans. No, they really do exist, BITCH. My question is.....WHY, JUGGALOS!?

Xpost - dammit

I find Ronald McDonald quite terrifyingly sinister.

OK, I'm off home, now.

All males who like ICP must, by law, have an almost-grown mustache. That kind where it's just starting but you've never shaved before so you just pretend it's not there.

Also:

Prove to me this isn't the same guy...

Yes. Both _Ringmaster_ and _Riddlebox_ are much, much better. _The Great Milenko_ is okay and then after that they go right back to stupid blahness. (Search also the "Tunnel Of Love" EP.)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc800/c885/c885471bt6q.jpg
Insane Clown Posse
Carnival of Carnage
Rating ***
1992
Review
by Stephen Thomas Erlewine
The Insane Clown Posse introduced themselves to the world (well, at least Detroit) with their debut album, Carnival of Carnage. It pretty much spelled out their ludicrous sex'n'drugs'n'crime'n'murder'n'Faygo'n'racism manifesto in no uncertain terms, since subtlety was never part of their agenda. All ICP wants to do is rock the house as if they were a third-rate Beastie Boys supported by a cut-rate Faith No More, all tempered with the sensibility that made GWAR cult heroes -- only with, you know, more sexism and jokes that are supposed to be street, but wind up sounding racist. So, Carnival of Carnage delivers exactly what it promises. If you're down with the ICP -- if you're a juggalo (funny how close that is to "jigaboo," isn't it?) -- you'll find that this album got them off on the right track. If you're not with them, this will certainly give you reasons to hate them.

Strange how this still doesn't make me want to buy any more ICP.

From _Ringmaster_: "Murder Go Round", "Who Are You", "The Dead One", "My Fun House", "The Loons", "Wagon Wagon", "One For The Maggots", "Mr Johnson's Head"

From _Riddlebox_: "The Show Must Go On", "My Toybox", "12", "The Killing Fields", "The Joker's Wild", "I'm Coming Home", "Cemetery Girl", "Three Rings"

ICP had a great track early in their career called "Southwest Ghetto Zone." Generic slanging and banging lyrics about SW Detroit, but the beat sampled the synth line from "Do ya think I'm Sexy" and ripped.

Best lyric: I've got my nine in my gut and its starting to hurt/where can you keep a gat wearing Skidz and a t-shirt."

I think this is when the whole "Wicked Clownz" schtick was in its infancy.

names, plz!

So...does all of Roth's post-VH work give you all that 'not-so-fresh' feeling?

Yup.

(He liked Deadsy a lot, too.)

the Joker dude

would like to hear The Juggalo Aunts, kinda Velvet Crush-like horrorcore vibes

Why has there never been a juggalo movie? like a juggalo superhero or crime fighter? or at least bad guys in a batman movie

there have been at least two

ICP are playing in Oakland this summer. I almost want to go.

my friend's facebook comment:
"I thought I passed a group of Juggalos this morning on my way to work. Which was weird enough. Turns out it was actually Insane Clown Posse."

http://gothamist.com/2013/06/08/photos_insane_clown_posse_are_hangi.php

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/insane-clown-posse-icp-lawsuit-andrea-pellegrini_n_3943229.html

one of the headlines of the year, surely
http://www.freep.com/article/20140723/NEWS05/307230032/

http://i.imgur.com/Y1vnoVr.gifKid Rock subpoenaed to produce glass sex toy in Insane Clown Posse lawsuithttp://i.imgur.com/Y1vnoVr.gif

I guess the Gathering is going on right now.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-tattoo-beating-20140805,0,5506278.story

Two Hebron residents were charged Monday with attempted murder and assault for beating a man, attempting to carve a tattoo from his arm, and setting him on fire, police said. The victim remains in critical condition at a burn center in Baltimore, the Wicomico County Sheriff's Office said.

The incident occurred Monday just after 1 a.m. on the 7200 block of Rockawalkin Rd. in Hebron, police said. Officials say Paul Martin Hurst, 33, of Hebron and Cary Lee Edwards, 35, of Williamsburg, Va. began beating Zachary Swanson, 31, after an argument in the Hebron residence the three men share.

The suspects then tried to forcibly remove a tattoo from Swanson's arm, police said. After failing to remove the tattoo, the suspects set fire to the victim's arm, police said. The victim was left on the ground for several hours and suffered severe burns, police said, before he was driven to the Peninsula Regional Medical Center and subsequently flown to a burn center in Batlimore.

Both suspects have been charged with first and second degree attempted murder, first and second degree assault, reckless endangerment and a deadly weapon charge.

Officials say there is a strong possibility the suspects and the victim are connected with the Juggalos, a group of fans of the Detroit hip-hop duo Insane Clown Posse. Police said the victim's tattoo was "consistent" with the fan group, which the FBI has classified as a gang.

people are starting to become more charitable to juggalos, right? there is a strong undercurrent of classism in most writing about them that I think is pretty mean spirited

... and well deserved.

some people just ain't down with the clown

https://m.facebook.com/NationalTakeAJuggaloToRedLobsterDay?refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&_rdr

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676971916/faygo-huntin-made-simple-with-this-new-app

http://www.residentadvisor.net/images/profiles/maw.jpg
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/29100000/insane-clown-posse-insane-clown-posse-29168492-500-332.jpg

Both got guys named "Dope" too. Just saying.

Kenny Dope Gonzalez and ... Little Louie Vega? When did he use the name "Dope?"

just watched Buffalo Juggalos and EVERYBODY should stop what they're doing and see it now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qof7oEfiU1c
It's a half an hour and on MUBI and they offer a free trial so go see it now.
https://mubi.com/films/buffalo-juggalos
Whiney G, I'm talking to you here.

It's less an exposé and more of an ICP thesis statement: a beautifully paced, wordless (and, thank god, without music) series of short video portraits of clown-faced juggalos in situ, self-medicating with sex, violence, drugs and family. The visuals owe something to Avedon and Arbus but the ethos is an insider perspective of post-dada nihilism that regularly lights on an unironically detached direct gaze. The guiding spirits are the impassible sadness of hopelessness, the absurdity of modern displacement (the alpaca scene elicited genuine and surprise laughter), the tenderness of shared experience and the haunted house posturing of threat without menace... a briefly glimpsed felony, the breaking of a brick over an unprotesting man's head and a fervent bout of cunnilingus all are presented without impact but not without meaning. More than any other treatise I've seen on the subject, this film portrays Juggalos as profoundly disconnected, half-impotent droogs trading on self-expression to communicate, marooned in a world that is no more or less ludicrous than painting your inner Pagliacci on your face, declaring defeat before they even begin to try.

totally people should watch this if they're curious but just fwiw & as counterpoint i found it kind of a mean experiment & a mainly pretty vapid film; it alternates between indulging the most surface-level gaze at another weird american community, & drifting into the filmmaker's kinda installation-art image making, which is fine (i liked the inking scene) but feels just so limited, to me, like more obnoxiously confrontational weird americana porn that doesn't go an inch beyond what we already know or expect. agree w/ a bunch of what you wrote but to me the icp thesis statement just feels so impressed, like it has the uncritical eye of a propaganda video. maybe because it lives within that thesis statement zone it's fine, i don't know.

also alpaca scene just really bummed me out

I would watch that if you could point me to a way that doesn't require signing up for Mubi

ay mubi, I don't really think I should watch "cinema" streamed over wi-fi onto an iPad, but that's just me

“My Film is Not About Juggalos. It is a Juggalo”: Director Scott Cummings on Making Buffalo Juggalos

Couple of weeks ago I went next door from my office to get coffee at Starbucks, in the Doubletree Hotel. Parked at the curb was a white panel van with this on the dashboard and it just made my day. I like to imagine the driver heard about their new Faygo Spice Latte and had to have one.

http://i.imgur.com/vUtxYt9.jpg?2

mubi is watchable on the teevee with apple tv + ipad/phone airplay but then you need an apple tv
it's not like that in all countries, but is weirdly restrictive in america. it's the worst thing about that service.

schlump, i can see where you might've landed there; I don't feel like a half hour piece needs to be much more than be a surface-level exploration, especially when it's told from the perspective of the beholden.
no idea why the alpaca scene would've bummed you out. they looked pretty and well cared for.

thanks, forks; this was something i both didn't like & felt like an asshole for not liking, & i feel bad wading in here. i saw it in a room of people who were really responsive, & there's something kind of precious about finding it objectionable when it so clearly aligns with who it represents & what it set out to do. i think something that maybe got me was the collision of feeling so tonally indulgent - so including like the abandoned warehouse sequences - & then the formal, kinda presentative strategy of hesitating before each shot, so with the scene of two guys in bed under green light, including this ten seconds beat to separate you from what you were seeing. it felt kind of uncaring to me.

but yeah everyone still can watch this on whatever realmedia gameboy color stream mubi is offering, go for it

i think the juggalo gaze as presented here IS indulgent, self-absorbed, strategic and uncaring. i took as a feature what you took as a bug. i'm certainly not co-signing that worldview but it came through as honest and deeply felt (if philosophically flimsy) and understandably seductive. Like if your inheritance is suburban boredom and urban blight and there's no real war to fight except justifying your existence, why not play at conscientious objector and just check out in a cloud of hedonism and insouciance. Obvs that's always bottom line thinking with ICP types (and with most if not all 20th/21st century middle class youth movements) but stripped of language and the terrible terrible music, this felt like it was making a compelling, if hermetic, argument and one that i hadn't heard made by/for juggalos. i thought it was effective in presenting a serious alternate perspective that's otherwise easy to laugh off.
i hope this guy doesn't do a similar piece on gamergate i guess.

that ten second beat you're referring to was effective for me because it tested your presumptions of what two men sitting alone want, given my own prejudices and what I've seen prior. there's a bit of #notalljuggalos but it also felt like a very real display of shared intimacy, "if you prick us do we not bleed"

here's the article whiney refers to upthread
http://filmmakermagazine.com/86098-my-film-is-not-about-juggalos-it-is-a-juggalo-director-scott-cummings-on-making-buffalo-juggalos/
direct self comparisons to browning's freaks and

I’ve been surprised that many people assume everything in the film is real and I’ve taken to half-jokingly paraphrasing Francis Ford Coppola’s line about Apocalypse Now: “My film is not a documentary. My film is not about Juggalos. It is a Juggalo.” My hope is that through the film the myth of the Juggalo deepens and they become more mysterious, more other and more confrontational.

def good that this guy with an MFA is striving to make poor suburban kids on FBI watchlists "more other"

eh, i put that there in reference as explanation to your quoted article title
i dunno, watch it if you can; I thought it was pretty strong

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/aug/07/two-juggalos-charged-attemped-murder-insane-clown-posse-tattoo

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/the-lesbian-queen-of-the-juggalos-is-reinventing-beauty-standards

if you think this might be safe for your work then well you know best

that looks to me like the ur text from whence all broadly articles will spring

url/headline should read The Lesbian Queen of the Juggalettes.

Also noticed that Village Voice didn't do a Gathering roundup this year. What has happened to the journalistic standards of that once-great institution?

no money to send anyone i would guess

this link from upthread has aged well

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676971916/faygo-huntin-made-simple-with-this-new-app

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/beauty/news/a42817/clown-contouring-for-sculpted-cheeks/

big money hustlas and big money rustlas are now on amazon prime video.

america 2016: violent j of the insane clown posse is now our voice of reason.

http://time.com/4521464/insane-clown-posse-killer-clowns/

2020's Republican nominee

https://twitter.com/AeTBench/status/803995993570181120

Somehow managed to miss this. Despite a clown being elected president the Juggalos are going to march on DC in September because they once got called a gang or something? Hope there's a live stream!
http://www.juggalomarch.com/

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/518iP2ENoyL._AA300_.jpg

they'll fit right in with those clowns in Washington!!

https://apnews.com/8028e1c92c0c454caa84aa1f6f9a86e2?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbLWAn8Zssg

hahahahahahahahahaha

That song would certainly liven up Matty in the Morning