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It's funny -- everything that people say about this guy, including the shit that's meant to be negative -- just makes me think I would love it! Still yet to hear any. "The Doldrums" is the one on Paw Tracks, right? I should order that. Incidentally, the other discussions about him are on one of the Animal Collective threads.
Does anyone know about the double disc set he put out?

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:15 (fifteen years ago) link

The double disc "House Arrest/Lover Boy" is beyond damaged, genuis stuff. Way more problems than B Wilson.
Can be hard to find through normal channels, but you can get his stuff through www.cdbaby.com

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, listening again, I can definitely hear some Ween in there, in the best way possible. For some reason this has me thinking of a dude holing up in a bomb shelter with a tape player and some instruments and a 50-pack of blank cassettes right before a nuclear war, and recording these freaked-out songs as some sort of comfort to himself that despite the madness going on right outside, one day he’ll be able to safely re-enter the world.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:40 (fifteen years ago) link

otm, except that the bomb has already exploded and he's still trying to record another baroque pop masterpiece while bricks fly everywhere.

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link

and succeeding. plus this isn't far off from the truth really, culturally speaking at least. he does live in hollywood, right?

duke canyon, Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:33 (fifteen years ago) link

AND SUCCEEDS!

duke fann, Thursday, 2 September 2004 17:33 (fifteen years ago) link

to me it just sounds like the best he could do with what he had. otherwise it's just pop.
i like it but i don't think there's any armageddon sirens going on anywhere.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link

wait til you hear the ten minute "Trepanated Earth" off "Worn Copy" where he proclaims "Mankind is a Nazi" and the "Earth is a pile of dog shit". He's "immune to emotion" living "life on credit".

sexyDancer, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link

i've heard a similar approach used when discussing david berman too. like a "post-apocalyptic haze" thing

duke haze, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link

and as with him and his work, there is some staggering kaleidoscopic talent lurking beneath the temporal hipster trappings IMHO

duke due, Thursday, 2 September 2004 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link

excepter loves them some ariel pink?

jean jeudi, Thursday, 2 September 2004 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link

*awwwww*

duke indeed, Thursday, 2 September 2004 21:08 (fifteen years ago) link

hey could someone send me a song via gmail? all i have is an old version of "want me".

seahorse genius (seahorse genius), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link

You can listen to tons of tracks at CDBaby.com it turns out. Are the CDs as lo-fi as those clips? Songs sound awesome, anyways...

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:20 (fifteen years ago) link

All I've heard is 'jules lost his jewels' (or at least I think that's what it's called), and that is a fantastically nice little song. I'm looking forward to the full-length. I also find it somehow terribly moving that A. Pink's website seems to have been a birthday present from his family, and there's still no real information on it yet.

Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 3 September 2004 03:26 (fifteen years ago) link

And by 'full-length', I mean 'Paw Tracks debut'.

Kevin H (Kevin H), Friday, 3 September 2004 03:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Everything on Paw Tracks is extremely lo-fi.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:09 (fifteen years ago) link

i wouldn't consider Here comes the indian to be *that lo-fi...

BbetaA, Friday, 3 September 2004 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link

This is 8-track, not 4-track, dog.

sexyDancer, Friday, 3 September 2004 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Sorry I meant everything on the Ariel Pink Paw Tracks release, not Paw Tracks as a whole.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 4 September 2004 01:28 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...
gotta revive for the upcoming Worn Copy release. anyone else feeling dis?

i fucking love it

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link

everybody's going crazzzzzzzy fr this!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:07 (fourteen years ago) link

reynolds, woebot, geeta... I'm down too!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:07 (fourteen years ago) link

I think you'd like this, toby!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought the Doldrums was way better. Worn Copy's really good but....too long and too scattered, or something. I'm still figuring out my feelings here.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:06 (fourteen years ago) link

shuffle function serves Mr. Pink well.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:50 (fourteen years ago) link

very, very, very good. very good. this is what i always wanted Gary Wilson to sound like. Search "Life in L.A."

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Ariel Pink for president! Just think of the ecology! The electricity savings! The thrift!

Momus (Momus), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Revive to profess my undying love for Worn Copy. Even though this was apparently released on a CD-R at one point, will this still count as a 2005 release?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 7 April 2005 07:17 (fourteen years ago) link

REISSUE

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 7 April 2005 09:12 (fourteen years ago) link

"House Arrest" is still by far his catchiest and most consistent album. I can't really get into worn copy much past the point where he declares that "mankind is a nazi"

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Apparently, the person who originally realeased House Arrest is not allowing Paw Tracks to reissue it.

mitch dub (ano ano), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link

That blows. Between "Alisa", "West Coast Calamities", "Gettin' High in the Morning", and "Interesting Results" it's probably the best bedroom pop album this decade will see.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link

word

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link

xypost: But that's just after the first few minutes!!!

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I know. hopefully the rest of the album will grow on me at some point, but after listening to worn copy 6 or 7 times, the second half of trepanated earth is the only thing on it that i really like.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link

"CREDIT"?

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link

The free track on the paw tracks website isn't a patch on anything on Doldrums

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link

down at the creepshow...

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
This is an incredible bit of music. Absolutely baffling but all the more wonderful.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:58 (fourteen years ago) link

It's like the music you hear in your head just as you're drifting out of consciousness with classic rock radio on.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:14 (fourteen years ago) link

So... classic rock through a drainpipe, then, and then irritation that it's not LETTING you drift out of consciousness, and then silence?

I've still not heard 'Ariel Pink'.

The fact that 'lo-fi' has been used NINE ZILLION TIMES in this thread with barely any answers...

... doesn't appeal.

But perhaps I am KNEE JERKING?!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:29 (fourteen years ago) link

When I think of low-fi, I always think of stuff done on cheap instruments and played very badly on purpose. This is stuff played on good equipment, written and played beautifully and then recorded on the cheapest equipment possible.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes but what are his INFLUENZAS!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link

70s and 80s rock/pop. Lots of Roxy Music, Lennon, Bowie, Talking Heads, New Wave etc.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

and R. Stevie Moore

naturemorte, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Guided by Voices if they grew up listening to '80s pop radio instead of 60s and 70s classic rock. Plus he actually finishes the songs he writes.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link

The Cure are his biggest influence

i like The Doldrums A LOT, Worn Copy though, i don't know. It's not as catchy maybe, except for ' Jules Lost His Jewels'

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link

dude, rizzx, you GOTTA get House Arrest. it's his best work to date.
also, dog latin, about the "played on good equipment" bit, when i saw him saturday night his keyboard player was playing a pretty shitty yamaha.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

ah i have that on my HD, together with another album, something with Lovers? Don't know, but I'll listen to House Arrest as soon as i get home. Pink's the man. not very listenable on car stereo though

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link

at any rate if this was a fantasy universe then can't we ask for someone better than Ariel Pink who perhaps wasn't appreciated as much as him in this universe

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:40 (one year ago) link

yeah... Joe Meek

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:41 (one year ago) link

round and round is def a popular song. i hear it every time im perusing the sales rack at urb outfitterz.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:50 (one year ago) link

perusing the $28 new vinyl section at UO

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:54 (one year ago) link

nah man looking 4 those marked down sweat shorts.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:54 (one year ago) link

According to spotify Ariel Pink has an average of 813,552 listeners per month against Julian Casablancas 203,700 monthly listeners.

Maybe tell Julian that nowadays Ariel Pink is at least 4 times more famous than him as a solo artist. That should make him happy.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 07:56 (one year ago) link

"Witchhunt Suite" scratches that Before Today itch pretty well

zlstrz (calstars), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 19:49 (one year ago) link

Julian Casablancas solo or The Voidz? Solo he only made one album 8 years ago

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 19:55 (one year ago) link

"Witchhunt Suite" scratches that Before Today itch pretty well

― zlstrz (calstars), Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:49 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

true, which is strange, because it was allegedly recorded on the evening of 9/11/01

flappy bird, Thursday, 15 March 2018 01:06 (one year ago) link

Ariel Pink is this generation's...Stephen Malkmus

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 17 March 2018 02:05 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Mankind is a nazi (Humanity’s the devil)

calstars, Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:20 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

Just saw Tim on the street, said hi

calstars, Saturday, 17 November 2018 18:11 (one year ago) link

Glad he’s back on his feet!

flappy bird, Saturday, 17 November 2018 20:51 (one year ago) link

Yeah! He was wearing a red bell bottom suit so it seemed so!

calstars, Saturday, 17 November 2018 21:04 (one year ago) link

https://open.spotify.com/track/0lzEmkwqePDPoau88C4VjJ?si=qeZKGB-BSsipLtWpbEB5nw

Part Time feat. AP - I can treat you better

calstars, Thursday, 22 November 2018 01:20 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

heard Put Your Number in My Phone in a Whole Foods today. Sounded really good, AP's voice cut thru the din. I enjoyed reciting the phone call bridge with my friends. submit post

flappy bird, Saturday, 16 February 2019 22:37 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

new old songs, probably will end up on Oddities & Sodomies vol. 2 this fall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYmy1OPFb-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtH5Q1K2ReE

flappy bird, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:34 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

Pink x Trux

flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 17:39 (six months ago) link

I'll see your Pink x Trux and raise you one Ariel Archives

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 03:18 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

“new” Oddities Sodomites II thing on Spotify
https://open.spotify.com/album/65JqQUlzflf9fsIZLjCfdp?si=stFt1gsoRVSZDQbacpZbQQ
Happy Friday

calstars, Friday, 25 October 2019 13:37 (four months ago) link

new reissues sound incredible

flopson, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:14 (three months ago) link

it’s like listening to them for the first time

flopson, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:15 (three months ago) link

Underground was a surprise for me. Each song an alternate universe hit. Reminded me of a something like Alien Lanes.

Hinklepicker, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:24 (three months ago) link

great interview with him and the engineer who helped dig up all the tapes and re-mix/master: https://www.weirdomusicforever.com/weird-news-and-interviews/ariel-pink-talks-ariel-archives

does anyone know how much of oddities is unreleased? i didn't recognize much. he seems to indicate that this volume and the next will have lots of new material.

bolivian solider as an example, is a brand new song done in his "old" style with mouth drums, etc. i can't get it out of my head. house of yesterday is also very strong.

was always a fan of Underground, so reissue is a treat. i'm struggling to get into Loverboy though aside from a few cuts.

anza808, Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:43 (three months ago) link

it's impressive how much mastering guy was able to clean these records up; really opens them up

flopson, Thursday, 31 October 2019 19:51 (three months ago) link

I think tracks 1-3, 5-7 and 13 are new. Gates Of Xion was a 2006 7", This Night and Go Go x2 were on the My Molly 7", Driving To The Grave is Underground era and was on some very limited tour CD (and was up on youtube for a while). Chart-Beep and The Law were on the I'm Not A Genius EP.

PaulTMA, Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:02 (three months ago) link

in that interview AP calls Bolivian Soldier "a sort of sister song to Are You Gonna Look After My Boys" and wtf now I love it
nah i loved it from first listen

I'm not that familiar with the remastered albums out now (only Underground and Loverboy right?) but I did check out a couple songs from Loverboy, like the title track, and I think something was lost. The songs are less dense now, more separation. w/e, both mixes exist

flappy bird, Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:13 (three months ago) link

Very pleased with the outcome of these remasters - the results kind of belie the idea that he was trying to make things sound as shit as possible. It's like listening to the actual 8-track tapes (plus compression)

PaulTMA, Thursday, 31 October 2019 20:47 (three months ago) link

xp — I agree about Loverboy (my favorite). It's novel to hear the songs sounding so clean, relatively speaking, but the way the songs leapt out through the crud, lifted up from within the murk, had been part of that album's sonic signature. As with a lot of remasters, though, if you never heard the old version I'm not sure you'd really feel like you were missing anything. While they're a whole other analogue (rock, golden) ball game, some of the Stereolab reissues this year have been like this, too. Anyway, some of Underground is still hella noisy.

I appreciate the liner notes on the new reissues. They're not extensive and only say a little about the music itself, but they provide some interesting background. I didn't know he was at the center of a sexual harrassment suit regarding a piece he did at CalArts, for which he says he will probably best be known (!). That remark seems to partly explain some subsequent behavior, an attitude that he will never be properly recognized for his work no matter what he does... which he takes to mean he might act out his id anyway, with at times disastrous results.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 31 October 2019 21:10 (three months ago) link

Wow, any more details on that lawsuit? Here's another:

Ariel Pink has been hit with a lawsuit from director and actress Kansas Bowling, who claims Pink hired her to make a concert film last month and then failed to pay her. Pink owes Bowling more than $1,500, according to a small claims action filed on October 18 in a Los Angeles County court and obtained by Pitchfork. “I was hired by Ariel to go on tour with him to film his shows,” reads the complaint by Bowling, who was not represented by a lawyer. “When we got back, he said he didn’t want the video anymore, therefore he didn’t have to pay me.”

The complaint alleges that Pink owes Bowling $1,560, stemming from events that took place from September 18 to 21.

Bowling told Pitchfork in an emailed statement: “All I’m asking for is the amount promised to me for a job I already did. I went on tour with him and filmed four shows.... I have to take him to small claims for this lousy, already-discounted rate I gave him so I can eat and pay my rent!”

Ariel Pink has been officially served documents in the case, according to L.A. County court records. A non-jury trial in the case is currently scheduled for January 3, 2020. As of publication, a representative for Pink has not responded to Pitchfork’s requests for comment.

Kansas Bowling is the director of the 2016 film B.C. Butcher, as well as numerous music videos. As an actress, Bowling played the Charles Manson follower Sandra “Blue” Good in Quentin Tarantino’s 2019 film Once Upon a Time in ... Hollywood.

https://pitchfork.com/news/ariel-pink-sued-by-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-actress-over-scrapped-tour-film/

flappy bird, Friday, 1 November 2019 17:49 (three months ago) link

lol what a douche

surprised underground got reissued, by far his least listenable and least tuneful, not sure what he felt was worth salvaging there

brimstead, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:36 (three months ago) link

Scared famous

June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Friday, 1 November 2019 23:38 (three months ago) link

When is the next batch out? Can it happen before he gets cancelled

PaulTMA, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:52 (three months ago) link

they're reissuing all of his old albums through 2020, similar rollout I think as the Stereolab reissues. I agree that Underground is mostly dross aside from My Molly.

One thing that the remixes/remasters also highlight is how beyond repair some of his sounds are. I actually think the separation and 'cleaning' of the stems emphasizes how distorted and fucked they were, like PaulMTA said upthread.

for what it's worth, I tried to get a tape collage of mine mastered recently and the results were very similar: sterile separation and elements popping out that shouldn't have, and also irreversible distortion being highlighted.

xp I think in early 2020. AP has been cancelled so many times he's in a Trump sort of space, there's so much evidence of him being, at best, an asshole, and at worst, an emotionally and physically abusive drug addict. so it's all sort of a wash.

flappy bird, Friday, 1 November 2019 23:58 (three months ago) link

TS: college vs collage

June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Saturday, 2 November 2019 00:37 (three months ago) link

all the stuff that came out during the last album cycle (all the stories of him kissing fans at shows without consent for example) has pushed him well beyond mere 'asshole' territory in my view so it's hard to have any interest in his stuff anymore

though i'm impressed that these reissues are making his already incomprehensible back catalogue even harder to understand - underground now has a significantly different and expanded tracklist from the previous release, and they're still reissuing the albums out of chronological order (but a different order to the previous widespread releases)

from what i remember underground was near unlistenable and the only two truly worthwhile albums from his lo-fi period were house arrest and the doldrums. the rest all had their moments but were bloated and inconsistent and mostly just curiosities

ufo, Saturday, 2 November 2019 01:19 (three months ago) link

no worn copy and house arrest were pretty perfect too

brimstead, Saturday, 2 November 2019 02:39 (three months ago) link

Loverboy I mean

brimstead, Saturday, 2 November 2019 02:39 (three months ago) link

Scared Famous, in certain configurations, is one of his best.

flappy bird, Saturday, 2 November 2019 03:08 (three months ago) link

Wow, any more details on that lawsuit?

Pink and another student did a large pencil collage in which they depicted students, staff and faculty having sex, and the lawsuit alleged that it had created a hostile working environment; CalArts won the case on the grounds of a non-censorship policy, though Pink was made to apologize. Looks like the court brief is here.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 2 November 2019 03:49 (three months ago) link

5.  The drawing was the students' response to an art theory that characterized representational art as passé and incapable of evoking a strong response.   See footnote 11, below.

11.  In their declarations submitted in support of CalArts's motion for summary judgment, student artists Ariel Rosenberg and Jeremy Ringermacher explained the motivation for The Last Art Piece:  “At CalArts, there is a tendency when art is critiqued to categorize a work as representational or conceptual.   Representational artwork is an actual representation of the item depicted.   Conceptual artwork goes beyond the actual item depicted and communicates additional ideas and concepts.   During the time that I have attended CalArts, faculty and students have debated the impact of representational art versus conceptual art, and some people have characterized representational art as passé and incapable of provoking a strong response.   Ringermacher and I decided to create a piece of art that mixed and confused these two concepts and evoked a critical response.”   In his letter of apology to Herberg, Rosenberg stated “I never intended to harm anyone.”

12.  The context in which the alleged harassment took place also supports our decision.  (See Fisher, supra, 214 Cal.App.3d at pp. 609-610, 262 Cal.Rptr. 842.)   We see a vast difference between posting obscene cartoons in a men's room, as was done in Bennett, supra, 845 F.2d 104, and the display of The Last Art Piece in the designated gallery area at an art school.   CalArts's non-censorship policy was widely distributed to both students and employees.   In our view it was reasonable to expect that exhibitions of student artwork would, from time to time, include sexually-explicit material. Although we reject CalArts's contention that its anti-censorship policy and the First Amendment exempt it from the laws against sexual harassment, in this case the context of the display further militates against a finding of severe or pervasive harassment.

flappy bird, Saturday, 2 November 2019 04:03 (three months ago) link

I dont agree with Underground as being 'unlistenable' at all - to my ears seems like a consistent set of melodically inventive damaged pop songs in the vein of Syd Barrett/ GBV etc

clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Saturday, 2 November 2019 21:45 (three months ago) link

I'd not heard Underground before last week. I doubt it would have elicited a "Wow, WTF?" if it had been my first exposure to AP instead of The Doldrums.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 3 November 2019 11:12 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

I heard this today and thought it would appeal to AP fans. From 1981.

Publicradio (3×5), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:13 (one week ago) link

And here's a little something for the R. Stevie fans. From 1980.

Publicradio (3×5), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:16 (one week ago) link

Been meaning to check out Dome for a while—those are both awesome! Also the three best Ariel Pink albums are the next batch of reissues. Equally scared/excited to hear cleaned-up House Arrest.

J. Sam, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:13 (six days ago) link

Cleaned-up Crybaby is out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6HD6_JPOlQ

PaulTMA, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:17 (six days ago) link

AP is in a shot of the Safdie bro’s’ heaven knows what during the Central Park bandshell Scene. T koh is also credited bit I didn’t spot him.

calstars, Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:05 (six days ago) link


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