Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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Hes a 90s sting. he's Smug. Yuppie music. Hes boring. People who like terrible bands like Counting Crows and Phish like him. The amount of people who wear suits and work in banks/accountancy firms and like DMB is like 99% urgh. Theres Sooo many. But i'll leave that to others in the thread.

Jimmy Corkhill, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

The amount of people who wear suits and work in banks/accountancy firms and like DMB is like 99% urgh.

Hey now, there's no need for slander.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

dang, you beat me to the punchline, h.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

that F*CKING charelston-type dance he does. AAAAAAHHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!

and that f*cking "hike up your skirt a little more, and show your world to me" is so misogynistic, hateful, smug aaahaaajhahdsdsa;dfdsal!!!!

he needs to die, and I say this kind of thing rarely.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Which Muppet btw? If Animal was in them they would be so much better.

Jimmy Corkhill, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh yeah, I forgot about his fetishization of black musicians. really, can we get a UN resolution to kill him!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

[warning: deliberate flamebait imminent]:

but without black people, he wouldn't be funky!

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Any real or musical reasons to hate him? He does all sorts of music. Acoustic stuff, does good improvisational stuff, is great live, has respect of fellow musicians like sting,peter gabriel, allanis,sheryl crow,Meredith Brooks,Counting Crows,Santana. All the mebers are great musicians. And the actual songs are good.
He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good. The likes of Britney would love to work with him.

John Mcateer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Which Muppet? Why Eddie Vedder, of course!

I don't know about this whole fetishization of black musicians thing, though.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Which Muppet btw?
You better not say Roosavelt Franklin! (That's Lenny Kravitz)

Just thinking of why I hate DMB is almost as tedious as his music. So I have no answer because I can't be bothered to think of one.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Any real or musical reasons to hate him?

Again, I hate his voice, he sounds like a muppet.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

When I used to live in C'ville he stole my table at a sushi restaurant. I was really hungry too.

Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

He spawned that John Mayer and that HORRIBLE "Your Body Is a Wonderland" which really is a crime against humanity.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just the whole combination of being so very very uninteresting and yet being so widely worshipped, is the main reason.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Least we witness all the unviersity students forming bands to sound JUST like him. And they all suck too.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

The likes of Britney would love to work with him.

"Your choice, Ms. Spears -- the Neptunes or Dave Matthews?"

"Hmmm..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Any real or musical reasons to hate him?"

Sure, plenty. The production is empty and lifeless with no surprises or innovative ideas, his vocal style is grating and cloying, I hate that "funky acoustic guitar strumming" thing he does, and on and on.

"He does all sorts of music."

This is not a virtue in and of itself.

"Acoustic stuff"

So?

"does good improvisational stuff"

No. Only if you consider hippie-jam-band technique to be "improvisational". (I do not).

"is great live"

Never seen him.

" has respect of fellow musicians like sting,peter gabriel, allanis,sheryl crow,Meredith Brooks,Counting Crows,Santana."

I don't respect a single one of those people - the endorsements are empty.

"All the mebers are great musicians."

Technically proficient /= great.

"And the actual songs are good."

Nope.

"He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good."

That's what people said about Hitler.

"The likes of Britney would love to work with him. "

And this is of importance why?

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

I remember reading an interview with him once where he was talking about how much he loved oral sex and how he could survive by just drinking/eating? the fluids of women. I say eeewwwwwww? I mean oral sex is a-ok in my book but between his comments of bowel movements and just the thought of his big assclown head shoved between some poor woman's legs...shudder.

Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

group named after its leader is usually bad. Dave Matthews is such a nothing name to begin with. We like to call them/him the "Dave Matthews," just as it's fun to refer to the "Medeski, Martin and Woods" or the "Sonic Youths." Or for that matter the "Ya La Tengos, they are my favorite band!"

Edd Hurt (delta ed), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

sum-41 video to thread!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

"He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good."

I KNEW the fraternity system is a cult!

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

So, I'm the only person on here that really likes the Dave Matthews Band, then?

Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

No no no.. We all love him.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

right. this is all constructive criticism here, we just want him to be EVEN BETTER. or better yet, something else.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

because hippies like him and i hate hippies.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

>or better yet, something else

like dead.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Or mute.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's for his own good

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

and ours too.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

he sucks, huh?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

I never understood all the 'Sounds like Hootie & The Blowfish and Sting" stuff. he sounds like neither. And its not like DMB has stolen any songs off him. DMB songs dont sound like anyone elses. Especially Hootie & The Blowfish.
Crash Into me and Space Between are 2 of the best songs written in recent years. Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write(in my own personal opinion of course) I dont want to start fights. I just dont understand why he is so hated. But maybe thats because hes unknown over here in the UK. Most Americans seem to have an opinion on him.

John McAteer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

like a vacuum.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write

John Darnielle and Momus -- please write songs like Dave Matthews.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

McAteet: even the Dave Matthews fans I know think the Space Between is awful; why do you think he eventualy released the lillywhite sessions - becuz all his fans were bitching about how awful everyday (and in particular the space between) was. Dave Matthews came from the same circuit as Hootie and has the same fans, the only difference is that Darius Rucker has a better voice than Dave Matthews and they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller. I doubt there's a single article on the Dave Matthews from 95 that doesn't paint them as the 'new' Hootie.

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

...they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller.

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ping Pong's first track was about as deep as it needs to be, now just extend it seven minutes with bongos and play it at the appropriate speed for bong hits.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

...but without black people, he (Dave Matthews) wouldn't be funky!
Dave Matthews...funky.
I'm sorry, but this does not compute. Those two ideas are mutually exclusive.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

... Get Dave Matthews to sing on it.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

hstencil - by not writing such incredible songs of course! take a cue from Axl (he pulled "Don't Cry" from Appetite to save it for the followup) and spread the love!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

seriously, the label should've put the kibosh on videos and singles much earlier; same thing happened to alanis.

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

not sure that's the band's fault, esp. one as yokel-filled as Hootie. "Yes, Mr. A&R Man, anything you say!"

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just don't put the Kibosh on me!

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

The-guy-who-was-fired-from-Rolling-Stone-for-dissing-Hootie to thread

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

but Horace Mann's already here!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

you think DeRogatis has the spare time to be...4th on the Users list?
Geez, am I lame.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey...where is this users list? You got me curious.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm sure Dave Matthews and his band are perfectly nice guys, but y'know what? Their music is fucking * B O R I N G *.....which is, as far as I'm concerned, a worse crime that sounding like a muppet (which I don't hear at all). Dave Gedge of the Wedding Present sounds like Muppet, and I loved them. Dave Matthews Band (and...really, couldn't he have come up with a decent name for the band at least?) are just dull, dull and thrice verily dull.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, and I *REALLY* hate their fucking fans as well.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

...sounding like a muppet (which I don't hear at all).
Nope, hstencil is right. He has a Kermit T Frog kinda vibe going on. But then again, so does Hootie (granted, he drops his voice a couple octaves to hide his plush-felt interior.)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

hating the fans is not a reason to dislike the music.

(come on alex you're a killing joke fan)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Neanderthal: no, but my roommate's sister's cousin's dentist's niece once slow-danced with that bus driver. So basically we're kin.

Steely Duran (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 18:59 (eight months ago) link

"I guess anybody can be famous now."

This should be written on Dave's tombstone.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:01 (eight months ago) link

I feel like the time I stumbled into a place in Burlington, Vermont and every third person, knowing I wasn't from there, had to explain their relationship to members of the band Phish

mh, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:03 (eight months ago) link

careful breeding, I suppose

New No-No Bettencourt (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:13 (eight months ago) link

just feel the need to mention that the university of utah is an overlooked junior partner in the network of schools that gave 90s jam bands their sentience.

ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:14 (eight months ago) link

did you know that Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds Live at Luther College was taped at Luther College in Iowa? that's here! Dave!

mh, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:16 (eight months ago) link

I mean, we used to joke back in 1997/8 that Big Ten universities must have issued DMB posters with the dorm rooms.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:16 (eight months ago) link

in Athens, GA around '99 there was a DMB cover band that would sell out the Georgia Theater charging $25 a ticket. the singer did the kermit voice and everything. they prob made a small fortune.

Heez, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:19 (eight months ago) link

even when i was in college in reno there was a popular, obviously-former dmb cover band and their name was even the same construction (“[guy’s name] band”) and they were fucking godawful, no escape

to say nothing of how an open mic night i frequented was haunted by a guy who always covered “halloween”

ivy., Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:24 (eight months ago) link

a bold choice for the real daveheads

New No-No Bettencourt (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:28 (eight months ago) link

this all makes me think of the band Virginia Coalition

New No-No Bettencourt (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:29 (eight months ago) link

i wasn’t that bothered by it bc it’s one of the dave songs i still really like, gremlin voice and all

ivy., Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:30 (eight months ago) link

drummer in my high school band was a fan of the stuff with Tim Reynolds. He would listen to that stuff in his truck with the treble cranked up so you could really feel those acoustic stabs

brimstead, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:38 (eight months ago) link

I used to see Tim play with Cosmology back in the 80s

1st time I got real stoned was at B0yd the violin player's apartment, again prob 7-8 years before the band formed

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:50 (eight months ago) link

Dropping in to suggest the Bandsplain on DMB with Grayson Haver Currin

Indexed, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 19:55 (eight months ago) link

I've long had a theory that much of the affection that, like, basic-ass people who have attitudes about music and culture that ILMniks would look down on have for DMB might be a grade school or early high school immersion in Graceland…like, these folks went to dead shows in the late 80s/early 90s, liked to party, and were not going to be concerned with Paul Simon's cavalier attitude towards credit, or the consequences of a UN boycott, would not be interested in listening to township jive and african music but have a dopey reverence for "the 60s"…

veronica moser, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 20:13 (eight months ago) link

did he become a lawyer

― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, August 1, 2023 1:44 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

School psychologist iirc

jaymc, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 20:21 (eight months ago) link

Dropping in to suggest the Bandsplain on DMB with Grayson Haver Currin

― Indexed, Tuesday, August 1, 2023 12:55 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Why are they talking like Dennis Miller?

New No-No Bettencourt (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 20:23 (eight months ago) link

To make a three-hour podcast episode about DMB a good time

Indexed, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 20:35 (eight months ago) link

I'd never call three hours of Dennis Miller a good time.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 20:36 (eight months ago) link

I'm assuming someone out there has a podcast called What Would You Say?

linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 20:36 (eight months ago) link

Dennis Miller Band

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 20:36 (eight months ago) link

Paging e everything, who got the hooch to thread

Steely Duran (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 20:37 (eight months ago) link

Dennis Miller Bland

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 21:25 (eight months ago) link

Go Gauchos to yasi, but "Lover Lay Down" is a bad track

actual veggie mexican pizza received (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 2 August 2023 01:21 (eight months ago) link

disturbing to learn about lilywhite's own horndog leanings

actual veggie mexican pizza received (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 2 August 2023 01:58 (eight months ago) link

two weeks pass...

(…plus Love Child!)

You have been verified with your voice (morrisp), Friday, 18 August 2023 01:51 (eight months ago) link

WARNING: Any and all comments including “tour bus” “sewage” and “Chicago river” will be deleted by my assistant Chylene.

lol

budo jeru, Friday, 18 August 2023 04:40 (eight months ago) link

saw dmb at two separate bridge school benefit concerts in the late 90s, gotta be honest i could not get into it and pretty much zoned out the whole time. dave and neil played “cortez the killer” together, but it was not very killer to me

brimstead, Friday, 18 August 2023 04:51 (eight months ago) link

I had a dream the other day that Dave Matthews Band played a show locally on a college campus, and a local, far-right conservative group leaked to a paper something really horrible and hateful that DM supposedly said, suggesting he was more of an ally to their causes, and they ran it. I'd witnessed the exchange and was calling the student paper to ask for a retraction, when Dave himself showed up on campus and threatened to beat all of their fucking asses with his guitar.

earosmith (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 August 2023 05:25 (eight months ago) link

or maybe that actually happened i don't know

earosmith (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 August 2023 05:25 (eight months ago) link

If you really take this stuff seriously, it is fucked up that they play 'Grey Street' to a bunch of bud guzzlers at the thunderdome.

actual veggie mexican pizza received (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 18 August 2023 05:44 (eight months ago) link

I'll bite, why is that fucked up?

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 August 2023 13:39 (eight months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZyQjQclmH0

It's a song about a depressed person that ends with her still depressed, and everyone is just loving it.

actual veggie mexican pizza received (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 18 August 2023 14:15 (eight months ago) link

and I suppose the dancing people suit the music. The music already clashes with the lyrics. On the album, the songwriter and subject are trapped in a terrible dmb machine. In the show, the dancing audience are ghouls that beg the grotesque machine into motion. "We want to dance to the circus music about the lady who wants to die, dave!"

actual veggie mexican pizza received (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 18 August 2023 14:35 (eight months ago) link

thought Grey Street was about their bus driver having a repeat folly with the waste tank

earosmith (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 August 2023 18:04 (eight months ago) link

the woman is depressed because her kayak was loaded up with excrement like a shit pide.

actual veggie mexican pizza received (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 18 August 2023 19:10 (eight months ago) link

Hike up your fecal coliform levels a little more

You have been verified with your voice (morrisp), Friday, 18 August 2023 19:20 (eight months ago) link

Lol - "Don't Drink the Water" indeed.

Capybara Gibb (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 18 August 2023 19:49 (eight months ago) link

Shits Marching

Shat Would You Say

Capybara Gibb (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 18 August 2023 22:44 (eight months ago) link

Shatellite

Capybara Gibb (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 18 August 2023 22:45 (eight months ago) link

Chylene?! Chylene! We need you in here, STAT.

budo jeru, Friday, 18 August 2023 22:48 (eight months ago) link

Chylene, Chylene, Chylene, Chylene

I'm beggin' of you please don't drain my van

Capybara Gibb (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 18 August 2023 22:51 (eight months ago) link

#2

But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Friday, 18 August 2023 22:53 (eight months ago) link

Big Eyed Flush

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 18 August 2023 22:57 (eight months ago) link

I shit too much
I piss too much
too muuuuch

earosmith (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 August 2023 23:04 (eight months ago) link


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