Help me with Bollywood and Indian cinema in general

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Hey, I already added both of those using guesswork! Brilliant.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

What are some good'ns from the 60s?

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

SHOLAY... everything you could desire from a movie.

sublime frequency (sublime frequency), Saturday, 13 May 2006 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

That's on my list too. Sholay and Lagaan seem to come really highly recommended.

I just got a movie called Salaam Bombay! from netflix, and really, really loved it. Small Change meets Born Into Brothels.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

I haven't seen Jhoom Barabar Jhoom but clearly Amitabh Bachchan already has the look of the year down:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/06/16/arts/07.06.16.bara.span.jpg

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 June 2007 17:25 (sixteen years ago) link

As for older films, here was my take on Mughal-E-Azam.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 June 2007 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link

BEGIN HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgUJK0cwBco

Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 16 June 2007 17:29 (sixteen years ago) link

I am an extra in Jhoom Barabar Jhoom, during the Princess Diana funeral scene. Look out for me!

Just got offed, Saturday, 16 June 2007 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

!

gershy, Saturday, 16 June 2007 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link

It translates as 'Dance Baby Dance', which, alas, does not accurately convey the solemnity of the situation.

Just got offed, Saturday, 16 June 2007 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link

DEVDAS!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my god, I cried :-(

Stevie D, Saturday, 16 June 2007 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51mHxU5EXXL._SS500_.jpg

marmotwolof, Sunday, 17 June 2007 08:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I liked Bollywood/Hollywood, mostly for the fact that's a Canadian parody of Bollywood movies. Also, although sections are quite cheesy, Kandunkondain Kandunkondain "I Have Found It" (Sense & Sensibility update) has beautiful dance sequences.

jocelyn, Monday, 18 June 2007 02:52 (sixteen years ago) link

You've got to see Gadar, some of the most beautiful music I've heard in a Bwood film.

humansuit, Monday, 18 June 2007 03:02 (sixteen years ago) link

I couldn't make it through Sholay. It doesn't need to be as long as it is.

Lingbert, Monday, 18 June 2007 03:10 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Here is my review of Lagaan: Aamir Khan is extremely hot and never has much clothes on! The rest is kinda silly!

roxymuzak, Monday, 26 November 2007 01:35 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

haha my sister and i did that bollywood workout all the time last spring ^^^

today, i'm a numbers machine (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 November 2008 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

coworker passed me some dvds, i've got 'dil chahta hai' (tagline: "welcome to a summer of their lives you will never forget" and "chupke chupke"

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Thursday, 5 March 2009 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link

wait i think i've seen dil chahta hai before, which is pretty crazy.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Thursday, 5 March 2009 21:55 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't watch Bollywood movies (I've tried on a couple of different occassions.) Some cultural differences are just too vast.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 5 March 2009 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Can't wait for this: http://www.mynameiskhanthefilm.com

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 09:01 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...

number 5 movie in the uk is apparently a bollywood film, 'i hate luv storys'

i don't know anything about it

it wasn't reviewed in, say, the guardian

whereas the no. 6 film, 'heartbreaker', also non-english-language, has generated a fair amount of pres

are british film critics racist or what?

frap your hands say yeah yeah yeah (history mayne), Thursday, 8 July 2010 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Why don't you watch and review it somewhere then?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

need more recs!

☠ (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link

I hoping Endhiran winds up on netflix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yysbbPStfWw

The End is Nigher (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

just watched There'll Always Be Stars in the Sky. It's p interesting, but also kinda judgmental and insulting - at one point the narration says "though the audience believes the actors are actually singing, the songs are ACTUALLY sung by playback singers." ru serious? i'm sure 99% if not the entirety of the audience knows that

☠ (roxymuzak), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link

"at times gypsies serenade their snakes with tunes they have unwittingly borrowed from films"

☠ (roxymuzak), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link

don't be sad I saw that movie

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 4 March 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Asoka bombed with the Hindi press and struggled with the public but i'd rate it as one of the best action/adventure/romance epics ever made. The direction / cinematography by Santosh Sivan are stunning, the music (mostly Sunidhi Chauhan on vocals) is great and the story is gripping. It's the classic Hindi kitchen sink film with loss, betrayal, love and a whacking great pitched battle with dudes on elephants.

ShariVari, Friday, 4 March 2011 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Did anyone see Fashion?

flag this post and die (roxymuzak), Friday, 1 February 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J3fkfUDkx8

dylannn, Saturday, 15 February 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjUxNzM3NTYw.html rahat fateh ali khan

dylannn, Saturday, 15 February 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link

return of madhuri.

dylannn, Saturday, 15 February 2014 19:48 (ten years ago) link

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjYyNTgyMTQw.html priyanka is new old school love in the desert whisper in the ear number

dylannn, Saturday, 15 February 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WlczCe16Ao

parineeti.

dylannn, Saturday, 15 February 2014 19:59 (ten years ago) link

what else recent to see?

dylannn, Saturday, 15 February 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link

one of the cinemas here shows a new Bollywood movie every Sunday night, i need to find somebody to go with, this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7xFJVWbMlQ

was on the other week

the undersea world of jacques kernow (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 15 February 2014 20:03 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o66nNnGZ5Rg

i have a thing for alia bhattttt

dylannn, Monday, 24 March 2014 00:20 (ten years ago) link

http://imgur.com/vunNZiD.jpg

dylannn, Monday, 24 March 2014 00:32 (ten years ago) link

eight years pass...

My recent adventures beyond Bollywood....

Tollywood:

Yamadonga (2007) - Directed by the same guy as RRR and featuring N.T. Rama Rao Junior, who plays one of the leads in that. It is supposedly about a mortal challenging the God of Death, though in true Indian cinema fashion this really only comes into play over an hour into the film. Before that there's a lot of fun action, with N.T. a thief being chased through streets (remember Rajamouli put the Disney Aladdin on his S&S list). Things actually get a bit less exciting once he arrives in the Afterlife - the sets are gorgeous but things get much more talky and dependent on cultural context I don't fully possess. There's an amusing sequence where N.T. mounts a dirty electoral campaign to overtake the God. There's also a scene where he dances with his grandfather, who was also a Tollywood star, and who is revived as a deepfake; Tollywood def ahead of the curve here in 2007. Interesting that the Hindu pantheon seems very close to ancient Greek or Norse gods - fickle, proud, no great claim to moral superiority.

Aditya 369 (1991) - Total banger! Directed by Singeetam Srinivasa Rao, who rules, and featuring Nadamuri Balakrischna, this is like if a rad 90's kid's sci-fi film got crossed with a Hong Kong action thriller, with some Errol Flynn swordplay thrown in. This one too actually got less entertaining for me once the supposedly main entertainment, in this case time travel, kicked in, as again it gets talky and there's lots of in jokes concerning old Telugu court habits and poets. But as soon as Balakrischna introduces the court to 50's Rock & Roll I was back in. There's a quick jump to the future with some Star Wars copyright infringement and then it's back to the present for a big action scene. Ends on a joke and a freeze frame. Hell yeah.

Kollywood:

Michael Madana Kama Rajan (1990) - Also by Singeetam, but working in Tamil as opposed to Telugu. This starts with the director singing a song about the movie and inviting you to watch it, as more films should. There's a lot in here that's just boring static medium shots but then every now and then the director hits you with an action sequence straight out of the silent era, a MGM calibre musical number or a terrifying stunt. The plot is pure farce (quadruplets get separated at birth, all played by Tamil star Kamal Hassan). Last 50 minutes or so are pure screwball heaven as romantic interests confront sundry Kamals they think are "their" Kamal. Also there's a really big dude. Both these Singeetam films are on Amazon Prime in really run down copies and I won't pretend it doesn't make me feel cool and "in the know" to be watching something that's escaped restoration to this extent.

Thinivu (2023) - Saw this in the cinema. Perhaps the least interesting of this batch, though still good entertainment. Starts out as a crime thriller that just twists and twists, had me lost entirely by the intermission. It eventually resolves in a satisfactory manner and then becomes an anti-capitalist screed which hey, I'm always up for. Mostly I just loved the audience reaction at protagonist Ajith Kumar, a fucking STAR of the kind the West doesn't produce anymore. Which lead me to...

Mankhata (2011) - One of A K's defining roles, this was more bitter and cynical than any of the other films mentioned here (though still with plenty of comic relief and musical numbers). Has a very 10's yellow tint that was a bit difficult to get past, too. But Kumar makes for a great anti hero and Raai Laxmi is a smouldering femme fatale. The blood was blotted out in ways that made it seem like weird cosmic portals were being opened by bullet wounds.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:51 (one year ago) link

There is no non-embarrassing way to reveal that you are a fifty-something white woman who has recently become obsessed with Shah Rukh Khan, so I'm just going to fess up to it here and leave it at that.

trishyb, Thursday, 9 February 2023 21:23 (one year ago) link

Seeing his new one tomorrow! Excited. Also watched his Letterman ep, the interview felt very surface level and unfocused but Khan was super charming and the segments between interviews worked better - Khan and Letterman in the kitchen especially.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 10 February 2023 08:47 (one year ago) link

The number of times I have rolled my eyes in the last six months and said "FFS, Rahul, cop the fuck on."

Good non-SRK Indian film I have seen recently: An Action Hero (now on Netflix). Exciting, funny film about an Indian action hero who gets into serious real-life trouble. It makes some good points about how celebrities are covered in the media as well as being a solid bit of kickpunching. Obviously as an outsider my perspective on politics in India is limited, but I catch a bit of what's going on.

trishyb, Friday, 10 February 2023 11:22 (one year ago) link

Seeing his new one tomorrow! Excited.

We had opening night IMAX tickets for Dublin, but Irish Rail let us down badly and we missed it. Very annoying.

trishyb, Friday, 10 February 2023 11:24 (one year ago) link

Coming to Netflix tomorrow!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myG0f2RKizY

trishyb, Monday, 13 February 2023 10:14 (one year ago) link

Pathaan was good, a very well made version of a kind of film (spy blockbuster) that I don't particularly care for. Much closer to American blockbuster stuff than to what I've seen come out of Tollywood and Kollywood, and so a bit less interesting to me (aware this opens me up to charges of exoticism). Khan was charming of course, and holy shit what a six pack for a 59 year old man! At one point he delivers the line "I'm so sexy" so perfectly - not boasting or joking around, just a gruff calculation that his hotness might be an obstacle. Only two songs boo.

Fascinated by the political balancing act this film does: you can leave the film believing either that it sends a message about how India's actions in Kashmir escalated tensions with Pakistan and were a mistake, or that it's a celebration of India emerging triumphant against anyone who'd criticise these actions. Indian secret agent and Pakistani secret agent fall in love seems to be a mainstay of the franchise, from my wikipedia'ing; I guess Bond had something similar in From Russia With Love. Obviously the star being who he is the islamophobia is kept in check. Ultimately the measure of a person's worth seems to be their loyalty to their nation (whether that be India or Pakistan), and the perfect distillation of the villain's evil is his speech about feeling allegiance to no country, and his country being "wherever he lives" - the dreaded cosmopolite!

Audience seemed uncharacteristically subdued too, was disappointed at the lack of applause. Biggest round actually came at the appearence of a special guest star, whom I won't reveal as spoilers.

Khan's interview alerted me to the chasteness of Bollywood and indeed although there were three occasions where ppl almost kissed, it never ended up actually happening. Not to be an apologist for censorship but maybe they're doing something right, because despite that this movie was way sexier than anything modern Hollywood has going.

Excited for that Netflix thing!

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 13 February 2023 11:18 (one year ago) link

Khan's interview alerted me to the chasteness of Bollywood

Even by the standards of the industry, SRK seems to be pretty prudish, to the extent that it is quite funny to see the lengths he will go to NOT kiss a co-star. I realized that I'd got completely used to this when I watched Ranveer Singh and Deepika Padukone kissing up a storm in Goliyon Ki Rasleela Ram-Leela. (They are married to each other now, but they weren't at the time.)

trishyb, Monday, 13 February 2023 14:35 (one year ago) link

Rocky Aur Rani Kii Prem Lahaani - Ranveer Singh plays the heir of a Punjabi candy empire and a S tier himbo who finds out his grandfather (Bollywood legend Dharmendra), who is wheelchair bound and sundowning, occasionally mentions the name of an old flame. This turns out to be fellow bwood legend Jaya Bachchan, playing the grandmother of a highly cultured Bengali family. Granddaughter Alia Bhatt, host of a serious news show and Singh team up to let the old couple meet in secret, as both families disapprove - and of course end up falling for each other as well. From there it becomes a movie about cultural differences, with the high concept of both lovers agreeing to live at the other family's house for three months in order to see if the differences are insurmountable.

I went into this having seen the trailer expecting, basically, the kind of film I thought Bollywood films were before I started watching Indian cinema. Big love story, a lot of melodrama, musical numbers in exotic locales. I'll admit I was dreading the 170min lenght a bit. And I guess it kind of IS what I just described, but it is also a lot funnier than I thought it would be, Singh is just a riot, boastful, kind hearted, totally thick in the most delightful ways - also just a succession of INSANE outfits, all designed to show off his impressive six pack. And Bhatt of course is awesome, feisty, breathtakingly beautiful. So by the time the movie switches a bit into more dramatic material you're invested in the relationship.

The culture clash stuff is interesting, doesn't really map directly onto anything we'd see in a Western comedy: Singh's family is ostentatious (but not necc nouveau riche, his grandmother built the empire), politically conservative, religious. Bhatt's is secular, highly cultured, politically progressive and a bit snobbish. So the film gets into a lot of progressive causes, overall feminist bent, casteism, fat shaming, gender stereotypes. Bhatt's father is a professional dancer for a style that I guess is mostly associated with female performers. It's frequently naive (Alia suggests they change a commercial to be gender progressive and sales go THROUGH THE ROOF), but less bothsidesish than you'd think - Bhatt basically learns nothing from Singh's family, and what Singh teaches hers amounts to "stop turning your nose up at people for being corny and for being less educated than you", which, you know, OTM. Felt very smug at the cultural references I got (Singh mistakes a portrait of Rabindranath Tagore as the family's grandfather, there's a Rajamouli ref because Bhatt was in RRR), but obviously there's bound to be way more that went over my head.

Oh also they go to Kashmir for like five minutes. Bhatt is covering a NGO there but it still feels a bit "yeah we own this now".

Anyway, trishyb, possibly a good antidote to your awesome guy fatigue!

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 31 July 2023 11:05 (eight months ago) link

Oh it's directed by the guy who did Citizen Khan and Khabi Khushi Kahbie Gham.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 31 July 2023 11:06 (eight months ago) link

Oh yes, we went to this on Saturday. My first Bollywood film in the cinema! I'm really glad to see it playing multiple shows across a whole week in Dublin.

The culture clash stuff is interesting, doesn't really map directly onto anything we'd see in a Western comedy:

It's a bit like if the kids in The Birdcage swapped families (and everyone wasn't necessarily gay).

The big problem with this film that I had was that it really makes K3G look stiff and outdated by comparison, with its casteism, fat-shaming, patriarchal households, etc etc. It's also funny to see the actors who used to play mothers and fathers now playing grandparents, but the actors who used to play the leads (the men, anyway) are NOT aging gracefully into the dad roles and have instead taken a sidestep into doing action films.

Anyway, trishyb, possibly a good antidote to your awesome guy fatigue!]

Yeah, it was great. Just what I wanted. If I had time to go all the way to Dublin this week I think I'd go and see it again. And at the end I got to say to my husband, "see, aren't you glad I made you sit through Devdas now?"

And, in his glorious wisdom, our leader has bestowed on us the gift of a song from Jawan. Maybe he feels Ranveer has been getting too much attention this weekend.

trishyb, Monday, 31 July 2023 12:34 (eight months ago) link

The big problem with this film that I had was that it really makes K3G look stiff and outdated by comparison, with its casteism, fat-shaming, patriarchal households, etc etc.

tbf one thing about this one is, with all its progressivism the main villain is still an old woman

also the anti-casteist comments are nice but the darkest person in the film is still a security guard

anyway, obv not stuff I should get too judgemental and authorative about as a total outsider to the culture

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 31 July 2023 12:55 (eight months ago) link

I had a certain amount of sympathy for Rocky's gran. I'm not sure how delighted I'd be if my husband resumed a long-buried love affair right under my nose. And if my grandson's fiancee came into my sweet shop and started making sweets without washing her hands first.

trishyb, Monday, 31 July 2023 14:11 (eight months ago) link

Well the husband wasn't really all there anymore, it's as much palliative care as a love affair imo. Plus the fact that in the opening flashback we see she never liked him anyway, due to his distasteful enjoyment of POETRY.

Maybe she washed her hands offscreen!

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 31 July 2023 14:14 (eight months ago) link

Oh sure, take her side.

trishyb, Monday, 31 July 2023 15:46 (eight months ago) link

(Just kidding.)

I had no idea that being a sweetmaker was such a big thing. This is at least the fourth film I've seen where one of the main characters is a sweetmaker. (Queen, K3G, Chennai Express, Rocky aur Rani)

trishyb, Monday, 31 July 2023 15:56 (eight months ago) link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lagaan.jpg
What could be better, on a rainy Saturday afternoon in Ireland, than watching an almost four-hour film about villagers in India learning cricket in order to defeat the colonisers so they don't have to pay exorbitant taxes during a drought? Just a pity the DVD of Lagaan (2001) I bought isn't fantastic quality. It would be great to watch a 4K version of this. I laughed, I cried, I almost couldn't watch at one point because it was all so tense.

trishyb, Sunday, 6 August 2023 09:06 (eight months ago) link

I don't know why the image didn't come out. Odd.

trishyb, Sunday, 6 August 2023 09:06 (eight months ago) link

four weeks pass...

Watched Chak De India at the weekend, which was fine. Classic sports underdog film, very simple. SRK makes a very convincing coach for a sports team, and all the women were great. Sadly the songs are poor and the camera work is extremely questionable (maybe to cover up some subpar hockey skills?). Good times, though. Well done, everyone.

Also watched 1972 classic Pakeezah, which has amazing songs and beautiful dancing. Really poor quality DVD, though.

Jawan on Thursday! Very exciting!

trishyb, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 13:26 (seven months ago) link

How was Jawan? Thinking of going

corrs unplugged, Friday, 8 September 2023 12:24 (seven months ago) link

It was an absolute blast, but I can't tell you how the last twenty minutes was because the projector broke in our cinema and we all got sent home. As one of the Indian lads said to us "If this had happened in a cinema anywhere in India on the opening night of an SRK movie..."

But yes, it's very loud and brash and propulsive and silly and socially conscious and fun.

trishyb, Friday, 8 September 2023 13:29 (seven months ago) link

We went back for Jawan round two yesterday. This time we were told that the cinema was extremely hot and if we felt like we were too hot we could come out and ask for a refund. Basically Dublin cinemas are not meant to cope with heat + capacity crowds, and nobody in the scheduling bit realized that they were going to have capacity crowds for this film, so they failed to put it in the screen with the best air conditioning.

Anyway, it was still great second time round. The Robin Hood-type social justice messaging is very do-you-see, to the point where you find yourself laughing out loud at a farmer literally taking his head out of a noose when he gets some good news for a change. As my husband says, Atlee is clearly a big believer in "subtext is for losers". The film gets a lot of mileage out of SRK's own mythology, and there are references to other films, because of course there are, but they don't derail anything. Atlee obviously loves him, and he pays it back in spades. I've seen a lot of films at this stage where they try to make SRK look bigger than he really is, but they don't bother with that here. I don't know what he's doing in terms of eating/drinking/snorting/lifting/injecting/digitally manipulating these days, but he looks like a whipcrack of a man in Jawan.

It should be noted that other people are also in the film.

trishyb, Sunday, 10 September 2023 13:01 (seven months ago) link

thanks for your review!

eventually went to

enjoyed the spectacle, SRK is so damn charming

on one hand interesting to see such a radical critique of the current system in a mainstream movie, otoh very heavyhanded as in your example (not sure whether to laugh or cry)

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 12 September 2023 08:25 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Watched RDX on Netflix at the weekend. Plotwise there's nothing new here -- the main thrust being what if THREE guys were awesome? -- and the music is not a big factor. But the kickpunching is great, and the guys themselves are extremely likeable. Great clothes and hair, too.

trishyb, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 08:38 (six months ago) link

I went to see Skanda, which really takes the awesomeness to its ne plus ultra - once the hero defeats an entire army squadron on his own you really start to wonder if there are any stakes in this at all. Quite suss politics: it's about local corruption, as always, but here it takes the form of framing a virtuos capitalist. Lots of talk about God and Country. Gender politics deeply fucked too. Worth a watch if you want a shot of stoopid ott action tho. If not, I do recommend tracking down this Spirit Halloween-ass video; sadly the version on YouTube alternates between the actual scene and a lyrics video, but it should still give a taste:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu_oem10ywc

Jawan on Friday :)

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 09:32 (six months ago) link

I wish I was seeing Jawan on Friday.

trishyb, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 15:54 (six months ago) link

Ended up going yesterday cause for some reason it leaves cinemas today?

A great time! Def liked this a lot more than I did Pathaan, but then I would, an angry class war polemic being far more amenable to my beliefs than the patriotic geopolitics of Pathaan (though Jawaan does lean into military-worship in the second half too). The very first musical number, wow, I don't know that I've ever seen a musical number with that many dancers!

Starting to realise that the Indian action film formula seems to be: introduce mysterious protagonist in first half, bring in origin story after the interval.

Have to say though trishyb, considering our agreement on violence against animals, surprised you didn't complain about poor Rio :O

On a tangential note, getting quite annoyed at "wow India is kicking our ass at action movies now" discourse. It comes from a good place of enthusiasm, and I've probably said similar in the past, but it's still centering Hollywood, like everything has to be compared to the fucking US, and also what do these ppl know about Indian action films of the 90's, 80's, 70's? I've watched quite a few and still wouldn't pretend to know anything really.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 6 October 2023 09:59 (six months ago) link

Have to say though trishyb, considering our agreement on violence against animals, surprised you didn't complain about poor Rio :O

Oh, I was not happy about it, not one bit. But it was very in keeping with the whole "throw everything at this and let it all stick" vibe of the film. Not enough that you have to do all these other things, but you KILLED DEEPIKA'S DOG. Plus everything moves so fast in that film. I loved the fact, for example, that the super scary Bane-looking guy with the cheetah turned out to be... nothing.

On a tangential note, getting quite annoyed at "wow India is kicking our ass at action movies now" discourse.

I haven't really seen this discourse. But yes, I totally agree with you. All I've learned about Indian films to date is that it is impossible for someone like me to really know much at all.

trishyb, Friday, 6 October 2023 10:09 (six months ago) link

There's a part of me that thinks Hollywood/Western/non-Indian action films have become polarized. They're either all CGI, superhero, green screen, totally and obviously fake and comic book to the point where the actors may as well not be there at all, or they're striving incredibly hard for authenticity and a gritty reality that just ends up being kind of boring. The Indian action films I watch are a fun mixture of the two. But I could be massively misrepresenting modern non-Indian action films. tbh, I don't watch many non-Indian action films in them, because I do not find the awesome guys either charismatic or hot, so I can't be arsed.

trishyb, Friday, 6 October 2023 10:57 (six months ago) link

in them = these days (don't know what happened there)

trishyb, Friday, 6 October 2023 10:58 (six months ago) link

It's kinda crazy how violent Jawaan is, considering it's a mainstream blockbuster - child deaths, so many hangings!

A lack of star power is def a big part of the problem with modern Hollywood, partially since now it's so much about the franchise (whoever plays Spider Man matters less than Spidey himself).

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 6 October 2023 13:31 (six months ago) link

fav random line from Jawaan, coming from a talking head commenting on the fact that the main character is holding the nation's entire stock of voting machines hostage until they give in to his demands: "this is not good for our democracy".

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 6 October 2023 13:43 (six months ago) link


It's kinda crazy how violent Jawaan is, considering it's a mainstream blockbuster - child deaths, so many hangings!

Right? And SRK's social media team is all "oh, hey, take the kids, take the whole family, hope the little ones enjoy it." It was rated 15s in Ireland, and there were people there with small kids. I wouldn't let small kids watch that.

trishyb, Friday, 6 October 2023 15:54 (six months ago) link

Thank You For Coming - Bhumi Pednekar plays a woman who's never orgasmed, until the night of her engagement...but she doesn't remember who it was with! Very self consciously progressive romcom - apart from the centering of female pleasure there's also casual marijuana use, a subplot about revenge porn and a portrayal of homosexuality which ends up very 90's and stereotypical but it does aim to be positive. Aleays feel a bit cheated when the actors don't sing in an Indian film - this has several musical numbers but all they do is dance, and not that impressively either. Anyway as a non-Indian male I am doubly unqualified to judge this film but it was a nice time, barely two hours. My favourite joke: in the middle of an anti-patriarchy catharsis session with girls shouting "I don't want to lose weight!", "I don't want to pluck my eyebrows", etc. one boy pipes up with "I don't want to study maths!" and there's no awkward silence or calling out, kid just gets away with it.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 9 October 2023 16:40 (six months ago) link

Lots of interesting videos on this channel it seems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd14bNaEdlc

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 12 October 2023 10:54 (six months ago) link

Oh, nice.

trishyb, Thursday, 12 October 2023 12:47 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...

My BBC Sounds notifications hiting paydirt:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/favourites/m001rjch

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 6 November 2023 11:12 (five months ago) link

Hmm, I think that link is connected to your account. I just get an error when I click it.

trishyb, Monday, 6 November 2023 12:50 (five months ago) link

Oops, this work?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001rjch?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 6 November 2023 13:10 (five months ago) link

Ah, yes, very good. Thanks!

trishyb, Monday, 6 November 2023 13:18 (five months ago) link

I just love him so much. Did we sit and watch Jawan again when it hit Netflix on Friday? You know we did.

trishyb, Monday, 6 November 2023 13:22 (five months ago) link

I saw it was on netflix but the words "extended cut" gave me pause, I had a blast with the theatrical but one thing I didn't think was "this could stand to be a bit longer".

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 6 November 2023 13:56 (five months ago) link

It's only a few minutes longer. You would barely notice the difference.

trishyb, Monday, 6 November 2023 14:03 (five months ago) link

btw, what are the essentials I should watch before Om Shanti Om? I realise there's no way I'll get ALL the references, but would like to have at least a few "aha, I get it" moments.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 6 November 2023 14:15 (five months ago) link

I don't really know. It was the second SRK movie I ever watched, so apart from recognising Hrithik in the extended "Deewangi Deewangi" number, I was very much in the "I assume this is some hilarious Bollywood reference I don't get" camp. Having seen it since I've learned more, I do at least understand that they make jokes about SRK being a notoriously bad timekeeper and always being on fire, but otherwise I think a lot of the older films they specifically reference are not that easy to come by - at least, outside India.

For example, I saw this musical number on Youtube the other week, which comes from Amrapali, a classic film that is referenced in Om Shanti Om. You can't get it anywhere, as far as I can see. Not streaming, and no DVDs available on eBay or other outlets.

trishyb, Monday, 6 November 2023 14:38 (five months ago) link

Apparently on netflix in the US if you wanna invest in a VPN!

https://letterboxd.com/muktaa_/list/every-movie-referenced-in-om-shanti-om/

Using the filters it seems there is only one film that straight up isn't on any service anywhere: 1977's swashbuckler Jay Vejay, which does look like a lot of fun. 5 logs on letterboxd!

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 6 November 2023 14:57 (five months ago) link

I will say though a lot of Indian movies I've found on streaming seem to have machine generated subtitles, which often end up quite poetic but entirely impossible to use to understand what's happening onscreen.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 6 November 2023 14:59 (five months ago) link

God, living in Ireland you get fleeced by streaming services left and right. There's so much we don't get, but we pay the same subscription fee. Moan moan, I'll just get a VPN, I guess.

trishyb, Monday, 6 November 2023 15:06 (five months ago) link

two months pass...

Didn't go to Dunki in the cinema, because it opened four days before Christmas, and I'm not subjecting myself to the city centre at that time of year, not even for you, SRK. Anyway, it'll be on Netflix in a few weeks.

Very much looking forward to Malayalam film Malaikottai Vaaliban next week, based on nothing but the enthusiasm of some people I follow on BlueSky, and this intense trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqDLiObvefA

trishyb, Friday, 19 January 2024 10:17 (two months ago) link

I saw Dunki at my local cinema. It was... well, it's always enjoyable to watch a Bollywood movie at the cinema, not a big turnout this time though, so less atmosphere. The narrative is kinda bizarre but it def has a heart.

corrs unplugged, Friday, 19 January 2024 10:43 (two months ago) link

Ah well. At least the songs in it are good.

trishyb, Friday, 19 January 2024 13:06 (two months ago) link

Hanuman - Telugu superhero film, first installment in a cinematic universe. My LB review:

Pays off the dumb "superheroes are the modern mythology" talking point by having its hero actually be based on local mythology, to the extent that this white boy sometimes had trouble following along (though the sung recaps of the mythological elements were very helpful). The film also takes considerable advantage of its gorgeous rural setting and overall the tone is agreeably goofy, closer to a live action Asterix than anything in the MCU. The one concession to "well that just happened" American-style superheroics is Vennela Kishor's character, whose constant referencing of DC and Marvel properties does grate, though I will say his habit of exclaiming "shazam" at every opportunity and in a variety of emotional registers grew on me. A great time at the movies, looking forward to more in this shared universe!

Got some amused smiles on the way out of the cinema; tube wasn't running so I got on a bus that had a group of lads who asked me if I had enjoyed the film, and then proceeded to slag off the subtitles in Telugu (at least that's what I assume, ENG word "subtitles" in derisive tone only thing I understood obv).

Also gonna try to catch Merry Christmas (romance/mystery, puzzlingly released in January) and Naa Saami Ranga.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 22 January 2024 10:44 (two months ago) link

Merry Christmas is a must see! Wonderful sensual love story leading into a deliciously silly but emotionally affecting mystery. Reminded me of 50's Hitchcock, equal parts Movie Stars being charming and sexy and intense tension. Set in 60's Bombay, but ofc within the Christian population - noticed the male lead's last name is Pinto, the female lead is Maria, there's an Henriques as well, are all xian converts in India of Portuguese descent?

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 30 January 2024 11:40 (two months ago) link

I watched Jawan last weekend. That was a lot of fun. It felt like 10 movies rolled into one. Insane highway chase setpiece near the end too.

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Tuesday, 30 January 2024 11:45 (two months ago) link

Some of you might be interested in this thread I started over on ILM:

Rolling DESI and SOUTH ASIAN music thread 2024 - Bhangra, Bollywood, Chutney Soca, Baila etc...

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Tuesday, 30 January 2024 12:06 (two months ago) link

Nice. I don't think I've ever posted on a thread on ILM in all my years here.

trishyb, Tuesday, 30 January 2024 15:15 (two months ago) link


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