Wilco - The Whole Love

THIS IS OUT TODAY

NOW HE KNOOOOOOOOOWS HE WAS WRONG

DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO

Bought it on saturday, really enjoying it!

Picked it up last night at a local record store that had a listening/release party. Sounded good, but I want to hear it in a less noisy context!

this is a good album!

think the only one i kind of hate is capitol city skyline or w/e. sounds like a bad randy newman pastiche.

yeah this is a good record

and one sunday morning is great! pretty into them stretching things out like this, i'd take a four-song album with stuff like this tbh.

Eric Weisbard, quoting Keith Harris:

don't write like the Wilco gush you can find below. To which I add, why has Salon so aggressively pursued terrible music writing after simply ignoring music writing altogether for years and years? This is supposed to be the equal of Andrew O'Hehir and Laura Miller?

About this excerpt:

When Wilco emerged from the ashes of Uncle Tupelo some 17 years ago with the sturdy, catchy roots-rock of "A.M." and "Being There," it would have taken a special imagination to see that Jeff Tweedy would become one of the most daring songwriters of his generation -- and that Wilco would become a vital, adventurous band breaking new stylistic ground with each ambitious and creatively restless album."

i like to think that i have a "special imagination."

is it restless?

i have a special, creatively restless imagination, yes.

i'd take a four-song album with stuff like this tbh.

Search: First Loose Fur LP

yeah, i guess good chinese apple is what that tune reminds me of.

As part of my Jim O'Rourke Unified Theory of Rock Music I posit that the limp albums that followed Ghost were directly a result of Jim' lack of involvement. If you check the credits he played on nearly every track on Ghost and seemed to be a very productive "disturbing" influence on the band (not dissimilar to the role he played with Sonic Youth).

TL;DR Jim O'Rourke come back from Japan and save music.

I still need to pick this up, but am anticipating it.

Though I hate that the album title continuously reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuQba4inleQ

:-/

Was listening to this again today. Boy does the band sound like The Attractions on "I Might."

That's funny, for a while I had a reverse Jim O'Rourke Unified Theory, that he had a habit of making bands worse, but I've since come around.

O'rourke did make them better, but they were good also before him.
now the arent as good as they used to be, with or without him imo

he was involved in two of three of their best studio records

Listening to this for the first time, really good! Best since ghost is born

yeah this album is really super. first listen I was like, hm not so sure. second listen I was like OK this rules. still not sure if I like it better than the last two (my two favorite Wilco albums), but it grows stronger with each spin (currently in the middle of my third)

"One Sunday Morning" is just devastating.

can't wait to hear these songs live. been 15 months since I saw Wilco!

I've become a fan, with a few favourite songs, and I look forward to hearing this album. But that clip above of Tweedy doing "I Got a Feeling" is unbelievably smug. I'd like to think that as a songwriter, he'd recognize "I Got a Feeling" as a great pop song.

I'm not a fan of "I Got a Feeling," but Tweedy and his audience are a bunch of assholes in that clip. If you don't feel a song worth covering, don't cover it.

It reminded me how different the reaction was to Richard Thompson covering Britney.

so far so good

I've become a fan, with a few favourite songs, and I look forward to hearing this album. But that clip above of Tweedy doing "I Got a Feeling" is unbelievably smug. I'd like to think that as a songwriter, he'd recognize "I Got a Feeling" as a great pop song.

I write songs from time to time & I consider "I Got A Feeling" one of the most cynical gestures I've ever heard in my life in any field of artistic effort - generally I'd be with everybody on "only cover songs you, in some way, love" but "I Got A Feeling" is a toxin

1) As I noted above, I think, Tweedy's performance of that song was a punchline to a convoluted in-joke involving the fake twitter feed of Rahm Emanuel.

http://chicagoist.com/2011/09/07/mayoremanuel.php#photo-1

Columbia College professor Dan Sinker saw that the situation -- and the politician -- was ripe for satire, and he started the @mayoremanuel twitter account. That turned into a book, as so many internet trends do nowadays, and last night at the Hideout, Sinker and friends celebrated the release of The F***ing Epic Quest of @MayorEmanuel, with special guest Wilco's Jeff Tweedy. Tweedy appears in the @mayoremanuel storyline around the time he played a fundraiser concert for the real Rahm Emanuel.
"Tweedy's being pissy because he doesn't want to play any Black Eyed Peas songs. What the fuck? People love that shit." - @mayoremanuel, Jan. 30, 2011 -

2) "I Got a Feeling" is not a good song by just about any standard other than simply being popular. It's unctuous.

oh whew, yeah for a while there I thought you guys were all referring to The Beatles, and I'm like, what? Tweedy and fans mocking The Beatles!? but yeah some googling reveals he covered some Black Eyed Peas song called "I Gotta Feeling". Yeah fuck them.

Hey, it's "I Gotta Feeling", which takes it from rational grammar into the realm of magic. I think it's the Eames Chair of pop music.

Wish this album were called The Whole Lot of Love.

I think "I Gotta Feeling" is one of the greatest pop songs of the past decade. I don't love it quite as much as "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart," but I'd take it over any Wilco song after that. In any event, I agree with thinveneer above: if your sole purpose in covering a song is to show how superior you are to it--least of all to a roomful of people who already agree with you--that's pathetic. Pretty sure the Beatles were smarter than that.

Would love to know what's so cynical about "I Gotta Feeling."

wilco sucks

don't really care, but you know, the radiohead principle

I think "I Gotta Feeling" is one of the greatest pop songs of the past decade.

you really honestly think that? I mean dude I am not trying to beef or get into some stupid "YOU LIKE IT BUT I THINK IT SUCKS" thing but just...from a song perspective...that song is terrible! lyrically it's just the most transparent "let's get this played at arenas, arena money is awesome" move - it's like somebody writing a song called "America Loves the Packers" during a playoff run or something, only worse - the chord changes bring zero rhythmically to the table and melodically they're boilerplate recycled eurotrance, there literally isn't one generic trance dude who couldn't have actually put an emotional arc into those changes at least - lyrically it's a total zero - it's like - I guess you can say fairly "if you're into it, the vibe is great" but as a pop song, it is terrible. A badly written, brainless tune. There are good brainless tunes. This isn't one.

i ranked it the 8th greatest pop song of the past decade, so i got clemenza's back on this one: al ship's top 50 pop singles of the 00s -- which is your favorite? (other than SUBG)

Of course that's what I think--if I didn't, then why would I say I would? It was #1 on my year-end that year, and I think it's as great a pop song as "You! Me! Dancing!" or "What Have I Done to Deserve This?" or "Wedding Bell Blues" or fifty zillion other pop songs I love. I mean, I'm hardly the only person to think so--it was #1 for 14 consecutive weeks that summer, and I think even critics generally liked it (top 20 on that year's Pazz & Jop). Before "I Gotta Feeling," I hated most of the Black-Eyed Peas I knew. As far as it being cynical goes, I have no idea where you get that; it came out in the summer of 2009, so it seems clear enough to me that the African-American who wrote it might still be fairly ecstatic over the election of the first African-American president ever--I don't hear cynicism at all, just plain old joy. Lyrically, it is what it is; the lyrics work just fine in the context of the song, and "Mazal tov" is an inspired touch.

All of which is neither here nor there to my original point. If you hate it, fine, pop music's very subjective. But if you hate it, covering it in front of a roomful of people who also hate it so you can bask in each other's superior taste is, to me, pathetic.

IGAF definitely sounds like an ur-pop song

it has a virality

That should read: "most of the Black-Eyed Peas music I knew"; the Black-Eyed Peas themselves, I didn't really have an opinion.

It's no "Surfin' Bird," I'll say that.

I don't see how anyone could play that song on acoustic guitar and sell it. Not Jeff Tweedy, and probably not will.i.am.

Clemenza, where do you stand on "My Humps?"

clemenza don't sweat it -- underrated basically believes that songs with less than totally thought out and articulate lyrics are impossible to enjoy on any level (unless it's metal, then it's all good)

I would probably love "I Gotta Feeling" if it were literally inarticulate, like, totally unintelligible.

the lyrics to IGAF are very charming

clemenza don't sweat it -- underrated basically believes that songs with less than totally thought out and articulate lyrics are impossible to enjoy on any level

no he doesn't. he likes amy grant!

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110813221644/twilightsaga/images/d/dd/Jacob_edward_lmfao_hating_is_bad.jpg

clemenza don't sweat it -- underrated basically believes that songs with less than totally thought out and articulate lyrics are impossible to enjoy on any level (unless it's metal, then it's all good)

yeah I think your delusional idea of what I actually think about stuff is clashing with reality here - "I Gotta Feeling" is just a shitty song is all, my collection's full of pop, metal, CCR, rap & plenty of other stuff with dumb lyrics

i'm not being 'delusional' i'm just taunting you for making the same boring uptight argument here that you just made about "pump up the jam" like a week ago

lol fair enough