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― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:35 (sixteen years ago) link
mkciane takin the heat off
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:37 (sixteen years ago) link
ban sturdy banton.
― ian, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:39 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean what are some good gd songs
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:26 (sixteen years ago) link
sorry
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link
were they emo or something
what's wrong
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:28 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.webwhispers.org/newspics/apr06/loopy.jpg
― bug, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Another great Resonant Frequency from Mark Richardson, this one on the Dead. Any Deadheads have any critiques?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 3 August 2008 01:32 (fifteen years ago) link
nope! i don't know if his choices, especially in the second list (which i think emphasizes jams more than 'psych', whatever people like to think that is), are precisely-tailored to his audience, but i don't care, either.
― gabbneb, Sunday, 3 August 2008 01:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Gah, that harmonized guitar lick from Fire on the Mountain just popped into my head for the first time in years, and with it an image of this one stupid hippie girl with her stupid hippie facial expression and smelly dreads doing the wavey arm dance.
― Hurting 2, Sunday, 3 August 2008 01:55 (fifteen years ago) link
i mean the girl is doing the wavey arm dance, not her dreads. Well actually kind of both.
I liked the article. I would have gone with different records, and I don't think the Dead were miserable in the studio in general. But it was nice to read an enthusiastic young person on the Dead.
― Euler, Sunday, 3 August 2008 01:57 (fifteen years ago) link
and the 1972 shows were by no means *just* rootsy affairs; there are some spaced-out "Dark Star"s and so on that year; that's why those shows ought to be such a gateway for people looking for those two sides of the Dead (the country-folk-blues side and the space jam side).
― Euler, Sunday, 3 August 2008 01:58 (fifteen years ago) link
The Wall of SOund was a technical marvel.
st. stevens, cumberland blues, sage and spirit (flutes), box of rain, friend of the devil (slow version from Dead Set) - I can see these songs being enjoyed by people who say they don't like the grateful dead... agree, disagree, other suggestions? I like grateful dead so it's hard to choose songs. Maybe cosmic charlie?
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 4 August 2008 04:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Here's a funny little experiment to try on Grateful Dead fans:
Ask them to name more than 1 Grateful Dead song. Hardly anyone can do it.
― res, Monday, 4 August 2008 04:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Truckin & Dark Star?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 4 August 2008 05:45 (fifteen years ago) link
An average show might find Jerry Garcia, about 50 lbs. overweight, wearing an XXXXL tiedye, barely moving as he played;
Garcia never wore tie-dyes. Hanes black Ts you tard.
Also: I would have gone with different records, and I don't think the Dead were miserable in the studio in general.
Euler is on the money here. I think the Grateful Dead's rep for bad studio work comes mostly from fans who are disappointed to hear versions of the songs that are shortened/not jammed out/played in tune. While the ones he mentions are classics, I wouldn't let that steer you away from Wake of the Flood, Blues for Allah, Go to Heaven, or the others.
I'm pretty surprised that he doesn't mention Anthem of the Sun at all, since the whole live music c&p'd with Stockhausen-influenced sound-collage thing would probably go over well with Pitchforkers.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 4 August 2008 12:39 (fifteen years ago) link
this new band the Donkeys, hyped out on Pitchfork this morning, sounds a lot like the Dead. Which is cool with me, because I like that sound. The drummer could maybe use a kick in the ass but I am digging them generally.
― J0hn D., Monday, 4 August 2008 12:45 (fifteen years ago) link
also yeah there's lots of good studio Dead as I've learned over the past couple of years - I think post-American Beauty, many of their albums would have made better EPs, but they would have been great EP's. "Help Is On the Way/Slipknot"/"Franklin's Tower"/"Sage & Spirit" = a 12" I would buy twice
― J0hn D., Monday, 4 August 2008 12:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Acutally he wore many between '70 and '72. The bio Garcia has a photo of him wearing one.
This simply isn't true, especially considering the archival nature of so many Deadheads.
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 4 August 2008 13:56 (fifteen years ago) link
They're pretty cool, but I agree about the rhythm section. Bands that try to get all West Coast often confuse spacey/dreamy and sleepy. I'm more impressed by the new Warmer Milks album, Soft Walks, on Animal Disguise. It's more rooted in Neil Young by way of Palace, yet it taps a similar brand of early '70s Americana. Plus, WM goes for the Dead's expansive aesthetic. There's everything from country-rock pop tunes to jammy, free-form exploration. Good stuff.
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 4 August 2008 16:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Here's a funny little experiment to try on Grateful Dead fans: Ask them to name more than 1 Grateful Dead song. Hardly anyone can do it. This is what the Dead Heads do to the noobs/posers to out them! Duh!
― Trip Maker, Monday, 4 August 2008 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link
It's more rooted in Neil Young by way of Palace,
Does this mean they do the cracky-voice thing? I can't deal with that.
― J0hn D., Monday, 4 August 2008 16:56 (fifteen years ago) link
fwiw will oldham doesn't really do that cracky voice thing anymore and hasn't for quite awhile. he's improvdd considerably in range and polish as a singer over the years.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 4 August 2008 16:57 (fifteen years ago) link
noted
― J0hn D., Monday, 4 August 2008 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link
They kinda do, but their voices also flail out of tune like the Dead's (when they weren't in the studio)!
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 4 August 2008 17:48 (fifteen years ago) link
"flail" should probably be "wander" or "stumble" or "float" or...
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 4 August 2008 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Excellent article. You could nit-pick some of his choices, but that seems to be the point.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 16:27 (fifteen years ago) link
for some reason Kevin Ayers - 'whatevershebringswesing' (the song) reminds of grateful dead a hell of a lot. The guitar solo, or the beautiful, colorful, melancholy and happiness... I just can't figure what song it reminds me of. God I love this song
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 11 August 2008 00:28 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=51647 Here's the song I'm talking about.
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 11 August 2008 02:06 (fifteen years ago) link
yes to the original question. beware though you get sick of them fast since they're the quintessential live proposition, the poster children for dude you had to be there. howlin' rain's magnificent fiend is satisfying my dead jones these days. not that they don't sound more like skynyrd. but they've got down the cosmic americana thing i would've liked that the dead nailed more on vinyl
― kamerad, Monday, 11 August 2008 03:01 (fifteen years ago) link
You fall in with some heavy pot smokers when you're in college and all they play is old tapes, and you're at a time when you're lonely and not feeling very social and eventually those tapes start sounding pretty good.
substitute "recently divorced" for "in college" in that sentence and it's pretty much true for me. i was a sort of casual dead fan by that point (having evolved from typical punky dismissiveness), but in that post-divorce wtf-maybe-everything-i-know-is-wrong state i ended up hanging out a lot more than previous with some hippie-jam types and they pretty well opened my ears. (i even listened to a bunch of phish live tapes, although i never got quite sold there.)
glad that the article also mentions that after midnight set, because dead dilettante that i am, that's one i stumbled into and really love.
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 11 August 2008 03:28 (fifteen years ago) link
everything you know is wrong http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4293/everythinwrongmx3.jpg
How could anyone be right about everything.. they would be a cocky mofo and I'd have to kill them.
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 11 August 2008 03:52 (fifteen years ago) link
http://m.assetbar.com/achewood/autaux?b=M%5ea11f09b8576e606bcb5038dfdb92fb821&u=http%3A%2F%2Fachewood.com%2Fcomic.php%3Fdate%3D02282008
― jeremy waters, Monday, 11 August 2008 04:16 (fifteen years ago) link
should i give achewood a chance?
― velko, Monday, 11 August 2008 04:19 (fifteen years ago) link
I was wondering if Acid Mothers Temple might be the modern-day Grateful Dead...?
I'm sure people will take great offence in both directions.
― krakow, Monday, 11 August 2008 07:26 (fifteen years ago) link
st. stevens, cumberland blues, sage and spirit (flutes), box of rain, friend of the devil (slow version from Dead Set) - I can see these songs being enjoyed by people who say they don't like the grateful dead
Here's the awesome slow version of Friend of the Devil on dead set. So if you only like Touch of Gay and haven't heard any other good Dead, I would give this song a chance because well, it's better.
http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=51763
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 11 August 2008 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Search: studio Dead from s/t up through Live from the Mars Hotel definitely, or maybe even Blues for Allah. I really can't remember it very well. "Franklin's Tower" is on it, though, and I kind of always like that one. After that, there's an odd track here and there that's A-ok by me. I mean, "Shakedown Street" (the song, not the whole record) is pretty sweet, fuck the haters. I like "Alabama Getaway" they did on SNL.
Live: you are on your own. I like some of Dead Set, and that first live record, simply titled Grateful Dead (has excellent version of "Wharf Rat". was there ever a studio version of this??), um, some of Europe '72. it's really a crap shoot, imo.
― will, Monday, 11 August 2008 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link
i love "shakedown street" (the song, not the whole record, which i haven't heard). "uncle john's band" should go in the dead-4-nondeadheads file too.
acid mothers temple seems like a different experience to me. i mean obviously they're in the psych-improv lineage but there's a lot of metal and sheer sonic wallop in there too.
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 11 August 2008 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link
"and that first live record, simply titled Grateful Dead " First live record is Live/Dead! Sorry to be pedant.
― Trip Maker, Monday, 11 August 2008 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link
-- res, Monday, August 4, 2008 12:53 AM
does not compute
― am0n, Monday, 11 August 2008 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link
"as excellent version of "Wharf Rat". was there ever a studio version of this??"
It first got put on wax on Skull and Roses in '71 which is a live album. I've never heard it in studio
― Bill Magill, Monday, 11 August 2008 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link
oops, yep, you're right. pedantry appreciated.
― will, Monday, 11 August 2008 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link
The only Dead albums I have time for are:
Anthem of the Sun, some good sound collage things on there, interesting use of live recordings combined with studio tracks and lots of audio trickery; and,
American Beauty and Workingman's Dead, which were the only times that they had great batches of songs across the board and were focused enough to put them together as coherent albums.
There's some good songs here and there on their later albums, but they've all got more than their fair share of crap and filler.
Despite the hype to the contrary though, I think their live recordings are for the converted only.
― TheTco, Monday, 11 August 2008 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link
"Skull and Roses" was officially just The Grateful Dead, right? I think that's the same version I'm talking about. "Wharf Rat" and "Bertha" are two of my favorites that don't seem to reside on any studio effort. IOW, Grateful Dead/ Skull & Roses is crucial.
― will, Monday, 11 August 2008 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, you're right, Will. It is a crucial record. I made a convert with "Bertha" once before. Two From the Vault is the one that made me a believer.
I should get my Oneida "Heads Ain't Ready" 7 inch in the mail today or tomorrow. Tts got a cover of "Cream Puff War" b/w a cover of "Cold Rain and Snow." They totally ruled "Cream Puff War" when I saw them play it a few years ago.
― Trip Maker, Monday, 11 August 2008 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link
We touched on this period in another thread: Taking Sides: Workingman's Dead vs American Beauty
Between '70 and '72, the band wrote a clutch of awesome tunes that were never recorded in the studio by the band. This includes stuff sprinkled over "Skull & Roses," Europe '72, Garcia's first solo album, as well as Weir's. This stuff has come to be known as the Dead's mythical lost album. Had the album been recorded it would've easily matched American Beauty. Thanks to Ward Fowler for posting this on the other thread:
Found my notes for the mythical 'lost' Dead album:
- Bertha (100 YEAR HALL) - Playing in the Band (ACE - tho my preference is for one of the long jammy versions, really - the one from the last Lyceum show in 72 is pretty special) - Wharf Rat (ROCKIN' THE RHEIN) - Deal (GARCIA) - Bird Song (LADIES AND GENTLEMEN...THE GRATEFUL DEAD) - Sugaree (DICK'S PICKS 3) - Greatest Story Ever Told (ACE) - Mexicali Blues (STEPPIN' OUT WITH THE GRATEFUL DEAD) - Loser (GARCIA) - To Lay Me Down (GARCIA) - The Wheel (GARCIA - man, Jer's first solo rec is just full of great songs AND some well wiggy 'experimental' stuff) - He's Gone (EUROPE '72) - Jack Straw (EUROPE '72) - Brown-Eyed Women (EUROPE '72) - Ramble On Rose (EUROPE '72) - Tennessee Jed (EUROPE '72) - Comes a Time (STEPPIN' OUT - the Garcia solo version from a few years later really doesn't do the song justice)
― QuantumNoise, Monday, 11 August 2008 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link
damn... i had no idea that many "classics" were live versions only.
thanks for the list QuantumNoise & Ward Fowler!
― will, Monday, 11 August 2008 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link
but those aren't all live versions. The Garcia album is awesome; I may like it more than any Grateful Dead record.
― mizzell, Monday, 11 August 2008 19:11 (fifteen years ago) link