Sonic Youth new album "Rather Ripped"

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There's a few songs that I'm kinda rooting for, in terms of oldies that haven't been aired in a long time. I'd love to see some more Washing Machine material, but I think that there's equipment issues there. But aside from that, "Stereo Sanctity," "Tuff Gnarl," "The Sprawl," "Theresa's Sound-World," and "Starfield Road" would be really good selections to go with the Rather Ripped material.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and "I Love Her All The Time"!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd be all about "Tuff Gnarl."

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

"'cross the breeze" would blow my mind. "theresa's sound-world" would be really nice too.

rajeev (rajeev), Sunday, 23 April 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

saw them at roseland ballroom, nyc, and they played "starfield road" and it was unbelievable. it's weird cus that distorted phasing thing lee (?) does is such a good hook!

also, i do hope they play neutral on the tour. it's definitely my favoirte cut on the new disc. there's something "fresh" sounding, whatever that means, about it. it's really uncluttered and kim doesn't seem to be trying too hard. that sex-kitten thing is very unbecoming for someone her age and she doesn't really do that on the new one at all. and that's just one reason why they still matter. they never became parodies of their early-90s years.

kevinod (odtron5000), Sunday, 23 April 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

say, is 1991: The Year Punk Broke on DVD at all? I demand a reissue!!

kevinod (odtron5000), Sunday, 23 April 2006 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Neutral" is almost Byrdsian during the verses, which is a term I never thought I'd use to describe a Sonic Youth song.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Sunday, 23 April 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

The Year Punk Broke is part of the DVD reissue campaign they announced a couple years ago, along with the Goo video and the Screaming Fields video. I don't know if any of those have come out yet, though.

has there been any indication of which song, if any, has been picked to be the single from RR?

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Sunday, 23 April 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

dunno, but it's fun to take a guess right?
i'm gonna pick "incinerate" though "jagged brain" has some really beautiful intricate guitar work at the end and, again, kim nails it.

how weird that bull in the heather was the single from ejstans? there are far more hookier songs on it.

kevinod (odtron5000), Sunday, 23 April 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not weird at all! "Bull In The Heather" is one of their biggest hits, and I know it's a very fondly remembered song by a lot of people who were teens when it came out. It's not hooky in the sense of having a really melodic chorus or anything, but it's definitely got very memorable rhythmic hooks. When they play it live, it always gets a really good reaction.

"Jagged Brain"?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 23 April 2006 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

"Bull In The Heather" is pretty weird but also somehow accessible, it was definitely the song that first convinced me to buy an SY album after hating "100%".

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Sunday, 23 April 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm wondering what Kevinod thinks would be a better single from that album. "Self Obsessed and Sexxee" was supposed to be a follow-up single, but I think they were right to not bother. It's a good track, but it doesn't really command that much attention. "Bull in the Heather" worked really well because it didn't sound anything like any other songs going around at the time and emphasized the "wow, Sonic Youth are really interesting and out there" notion, which is pretty much their key selling point.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 23 April 2006 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

"jagged brain" has since been renamed "what a waste"
a radio edit of starfield road, cutting down on that into, would have been a good choice. would be short too.

kevinod (odtron5000), Sunday, 23 April 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

er, jams run free. i'm retarded.

kevinod (odtron5000), Monday, 24 April 2006 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

argh! "jagged brain" it's labeled on my copy but is now "jams run free."

kevinod (odtron5000), Monday, 24 April 2006 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"Starfield Road" is only 2:15 on the album, and the vocals don't come in til after one minute!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 24 April 2006 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I would guess that the single for Rather Ripped is either "Reena" or "Incinerate," leaning more towards the former.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 24 April 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Pitchfork rated the new single, Incinerate.

Sigh....7 more weeks then.

Darren Skuja, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, when Pfork reviews "singles" it does not mean the song is actually released as a single. It just means they are reviewing an individual song.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link

"Starfield Road" is only 2:15 on the album, and the vocals don't come in til after one minute!
-- Matthew C Perpetua (perpetu...), April 24th, 2006.

still, i'd say it's more radio-friendly than bull, even if it has more sonic youth elements in it. isn't the point of a single to try and lure more people to buy the record? to me, starfield and, point taken, self-obsessed are more accessible: guitars still conforming to sy's noise aesthetic but scrubbed clean a little bit. even that delay or phased guitar loop on starfield is a riff. then again, those distorted harmonics on bull are riff-y. opinions..like assholes..yadda yadda.

kevinod (odtron5000), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 03:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Not to plug my own shit too much, but as per the conversation further up the thread about "Turquoise Boy"'s similarity to the Thurston solo track "Altar Boy, Church Basement," I posted both songs on my blog.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 05:16 (eighteen years ago) link

isn't the point of a single to try and lure more people to buy the record?

ir·rev·er·ent (?-r?v'?r-?nt)

adj.

1. Lacking or exhibiting a lack of reverence; disrespectful.
2. Critical of what is generally accepted or respected; satirical: irreverent humor.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 11:38 (eighteen years ago) link

"Oh, when Pfork reviews "singles" it does not mean the song is actually released as a single. It just means they are reviewing an individual song. "

I didn't know that! Thanks!

Darren Skuja, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

they called it rather ripped becz loaded was already taken.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 30 April 2006 07:01 (eighteen years ago) link

also "do you believe in rapture?" is good, but it'd be better if it ended with like kim getting rapturized and thurston being all like, "whaaaat? you promised!" and kim shouting tearful wailing "i'm sorry, i tried to save youuuuu...." as she and coco are borne aloft on pillowy wings.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 30 April 2006 07:07 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG this is great! Fun and mostly light and chill and summer and lemonade. Thanks, Sonic Youth, for making my Top Ten shortlist struggle a little tougher.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 1 May 2006 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Interestingly, the overwhelming majority of the lyrics on this record were written by Thurston Moore. Of the five Kim songs, she only wrote the lyrics to two, and co-wrote the words for "What A Waste." There is definitely precedent for this - I know that Thurston wrote the words to "The Ineffable Me," for example - but it's still an interesting detail.

If you scan down, they put up lyrics to two forthcoming b-sides, both of which seem pretty fascinating to me.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

A promo arrived in my inbox yesterday. The sleeve's pretty hot -- same artwork but silkscreened in a high-gloss, enamel-esque ink.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Thurston wrote the lyrics to "Starpower," too. I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote more lyrics for Kim songs than is publicly known.

wow, new b-sides, when's the last time they released b-sides that were non-album songs and not instrumentals or covers? the last I can remember is the Washing Machine-era "My Arena".

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

"What a Waste" hits the WB tonight.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12679452/

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"The show [Gilmore Girls] has such a positive vibration about it that we can only benefit from basking in its glow." - Thurston


haha

Cee Bee (Cee Bee), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

That is a grebt quote!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

tonight's GG is gonna be our quincy punk episode.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Once the disconnection notice is recieved it's all over. Is this not a given?

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Long thread so maybe it's been mentioned but while i haven't heard Rather Ripped there was that Helen Lundeburg 7" that was released. I listened to both songs, and it sounds like Thurston has been listening to the first Christian Death album, perhaps musically speaking, not lyrically.. which is fine with me!

Does this jibe with the sound on the rest of the new album?

DOQQUN (donut), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm guessing no, not at all! But I haven't heard those two songs.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG COCO ON BASS

mts (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 23:36 (eighteen years ago) link

So far this sounds really, really good. I'm really digging "What a Waste" ("you're so chaste," yum!), "Rats," and "Incinerate."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Thurston wrote the lyrics to "Starpower," too. I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote more lyrics for Kim songs than is publicly known.

-- Alex in Baltimore (shipley.a...), May 9th, 2006.

I have a version of "Starpower" w/ Thurston doing vocals. Kim on vocals obv more interesting.

Took a listen to RR; tho it sounds warmer + pleasing, more focused than any recent SY thing I've heard, I'm not too sure if it will stick to the ribs. That's all, please resume spamming of thread...

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

bump for non-search-function-using noob

warmer + pleasing, more focused

this is my take as well, i am really into the rapture song although this:

"do you believe in rapture?" is good, but it'd be better if it ended with like kim getting rapturized and thurston being all like, "whaaaat? you promised!" and kim shouting tearful wailing "i'm sorry, i tried to save youuuuu...." as she and coco are borne aloft on pillowy wings.

is one of the funniest things I have read around here in months.

sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 03:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I listened to this at the local record store... it kinda sounds like Easy Listening Daydream Nation With Thurston Sounding A Bit Rozz Williams-ey, which makes this sound really bad, but it isn't at all.

It's not a super-dynamic album.. it definitely has a consistent tempo and volume... which is perhaps the point. Granted, I came into the store halfway through the album, so I maybe I missed a raucous first half...

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 04:01 (seventeen years ago) link

It's really good, even better than Sonic Nurse.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

how about that photo caption? pretty hilarious. "three members of sonic youth pose with the american idol winner."

kevinod (odtron5000), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link

My take, from I fell sideways laughing:

Consonant vs dissonant jangle and weave propelled by postpunk anti-groove; some noise. Basic tunes subservient to breath and rasp. Psychedelic, at least with Windows Media Player automatic mind-melt videos; other forms of mind-melt may work too. Obvious - from the same recipe as the last two albums, just diced into shorter chunks (seasoned with some hooks and changes even more finely aged) but who else will make it? Save for dumbass bar-band rocker "Sleepin' Around" and some singsong fatigue (tracks 9-11 -> "What would happen if they spent as much time on the vocal lines as on the guitars?": listeners worldwide), tight. "Do You Believe In Rapture?" = "Heroin" in harmonics, with drums in time. Other searches: "Rats," "Jams Run Free".

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

What's up w/ that Christgau review? The stuff about taste vs. judgment is somewhat interesting (I'd like to read a dedicated expansion on that topic), but the "response reports" vs. "stimulus reports" seems problematic even within the scope of his own review. It leads to rhetorical sleights-of-hand to confer a false sense of objectivity - even his own example of a "stimulus report" contains those "fulsomely" and "sandbagging" pejoratives. They're colored responses as much as "boring" or "exhilarating" are, just dressed up in fancyspeak. I agree that objectively speaking, the songs aren't inherently "boring," but if that's your precept then they can't "sandbag" anything, they're a bunch of notes. If a Sonic Youth song sucks in the woods, does it make a sound?

Then there's this clanger:
Another objectivity aid is consensus, as indicated by record guides, online compendia, and of course critics polls.

I mean, for at least 10 years consensus on VU and Sabbath was that they sucked donkey balls.

(awaits 200+ posts)

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 12:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. (Don't really agree that the critical consensus on VU was ever negative though.) And why are critics' opinions the only ones that matter if "consensus" is an "objectivity aid?" Do the longlasting popular successes for Mariah Carey and Meat Loaf 'disprove' Christgau's failing grades for them?

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure what you're saying, Edward. Can you clarify?

I'm not being flip. The taste vs judgment argument is someting I raised in my blog last night, and it's a conversation I'm having with a friend as I'm typing this.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

"successes of"

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link


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