thanking u, schlump! i totally agree -- there are nice silk ties to be had out there and ymmv but silks like foulard, jacquard, and (ugh) satin are totally off putting to me -- at worst they just come off as shiny & cheap & tacky. i defintely prefer a matte tie to a shiny one, but that's probably because i don't have much use for formal / evening wear in general. i am big on the idea of the casual tie, and casual fabrics by extension.
― elmo argonaut, Saturday, 24 September 2011 23:48 (nine years ago) link
as for wools, oh man, i picked up two amazing pendleton wool ties today, one black watch plaid and one a grey/navy/red plaid. they are super, super thick, practically blanket-weight. crazy.
― elmo argonaut, Saturday, 24 September 2011 23:50 (nine years ago) link
which reminds me, i got to a shop in town yesterday and checked out some of the new F/W line from The Hill-Side and it's all pretty great, they have some gnarly striped wool-blend blanket ties and sick discharge prints on cotton. i want to work for that company so goddamn bad.
― elmo argonaut, Saturday, 24 September 2011 23:54 (nine years ago) link
i defintely prefer a matte tie to a shiny one, but that's probably because i don't have much use for formal / evening wear in general. i am big on the idea of the casual tie, and casual fabrics by extension.
for real! i like wearing a tie because it sorta threads everything else together, & offsets the various deficiencies (consistent in my appearance) elsewhere; so my shoes are a little beat up and my shirt is untucked but a tie almost works as a symbol, i think, of presentation, of communicating that you're trying to be smart. & solid (non-reflective) colour is good, uh huh. i have some 'calzeat' wool ties from scotland that i love. & a long story that it is not worth going into about how my doorman stole my favourite tie.
tie widths is another thing; i always wish mine were slightly narrower than they are (like regular width), but without going all the way & being skinny.
― 347.239.9791 stench hotline (schlump), Sunday, 25 September 2011 00:21 (nine years ago) link
like i guess just skinnier at the top
what are your rules about knots? fatty knots for fat ties? four in hands for skinny ones? what do you do if a tie doesn't taper and is all one width? different knots for different materials?
― dayo, Thursday, 27 October 2011 16:25 (nine years ago) link
hey dude! sorry for so late of a reply.
my only rule is, if the knot looks wrong, try a different knot
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 21:38 (nine years ago) link
i generally use only a few different types of knots -- simple, four in hand, 1/2 windsor, sometimes a pratt knot
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 21:40 (nine years ago) link
it may be counterintuitive, but for skinny ties I tend to go with a slightly larger knot, so the knot is substantial enough to fill the space between the collar points. conversely, wider ties can handle a simpler, smaller knot, so the knot isn't too big relative to your face.
ties that are made of thicker material, like wool or old polyester ties, tend to look best with a small knot, i think -- if you try for a larger knot it might look more like a weird knobby lump than a proper knot
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 21:49 (nine years ago) link
ah ok that makes sense. haven't learned a pratt knot!
I associate half and full windsors with those godawful wide ties that businesspeople wear - but it makes sense that they are better for skinny ties, you definitely need a more substantive knot.
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Friday, 4 November 2011 11:49 (nine years ago) link
elmo, after dropping off my goodwill donations the other day, I made both of my kids get out of the car with me. "Daddy wants to see if he can find some cool ties from long ago" I told my son. In my mind, I added "...just like elmo argonaut." Alas, there were only a handful of ties there and they were all pure garbage! "That place smelled," my son said.
It was a disappointing start to my search. I still think I can do this though. Don't want to pay $20 on ebay or whatever.
― rustic italian flatbread, Friday, 4 November 2011 12:03 (nine years ago) link
haha, that's awesome! but yeah, thrift shopping is really hit or miss, i often make a trip to the store without buying any ties or anything at all. i think the thing is to explore as many thrift & charity shops as you can in your local area and go back periodically. i not quite to the point where i know the restocking schedule at the local salvation army but i'm getting there
― elmo argonaut, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:26 (nine years ago) link
elmo did you know about the world's international necktie city of the 21st century
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Saturday, 5 November 2011 13:41 (nine years ago) link
i made a necktie, and it turned out pretty ok! whaddaya know
― a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 15:53 (eight years ago) link