Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

I found the Wyndham Earle stuff really tedious (oh and it's actually spelt Windom, which also irritated me). And the pacing is so weird, things seem to get put aside or even forgotten about, like when the one-armed man turns up at the police station to sell Harry some shoes, but Harry's away, and doesn't see him for another two or three episodes, between which he just vanishes. Or when Coop is going to rescue Audrey and tells Harry to get one of his best men to meet him at 9pm - so when Harry himself turns up at 9pm you think "right let's go rescue Audrey!" but no, they actually do it the next evening. Or when Lucy says "Deputy Hawk is in your office, he's with someone I've never seen before but he looks really sad..." - who? He's never referred to again! And yet there is the confusing appearance of a minor character called "Cappy", a sherriff's assistant or perhaps a Bookhouse Boy, who is otherwise only seen for split-second in episode 6.

(Those last two bits from ep. 20.)

The movie is really great though, it really brings into sharp and terrifying focus the horror in Laura's life, often referred to in the series but never really felt.

just bought the whole series box set a few weeks ago, and i don't plan on ever watching most of season 2 for the reasons enumerated above. even as a 13-year-old watching them as they originally aired, i realized something was off.

season 2 on the whole is obviously not as good but people are too hard on it as a whole. with the exception of the diane keaton directed episode, it's always at least mildly entertaining.

The film totally elucidates what's going with Bob/the Little Man/the Lodges, etc. The proof is in the Garmonbozia!

no it doesn't.

Yeah, it does, actually! You might have to watch it 90 times and read the script, but it definitely clarifies a few things.

season two is kind of worth slogging through for the finale

xpost. it totally clarifies things, I had no idea that the Little Man was Mike ("I am the arm and I go woo woo woo"), or that the giant was also evil (he is also in on the gormonbozia eating). In fact I wasn't even sure that the Little Man was evil.

And yes, season two is worth slogging through for the finale as it is definitely in the top 3 episodes. Arguably the best episode.

I recently watched both seasons and the movie in the space of about four days. It was quite immersive and totally awesome. Especially as it was my first time watching the second season and the movie.

did you watch the documentary that comes w/ the movie dvd

I love it so much that I know I posted about it here a long time ago and I'm posting about it again!!!!

maybe i'll re-watch FWWM. not alone though, i'd get scared.

someone explain the garbanzo thing, I've seen everything and have no idea what it is

damn, no, I torrented the movie and loaned the tv show off my friend! Would really like to watch the documentary!

The movie to me is just one of the scariest films I've ever seen, being someone who generally isn't frightened by movies. Also the incest/sexual abuse angle which is avoided to some extent in the series (in the series Leland is meant to be under BOB's control when he's abusing Laura, and remembers nothing of it afterwards, in the film we see that he does remember, and there's the horrific line "I always thought you knew it was me" or something along those lines. Totally o_0

My interpretation of gormonbozia is that it's the sustenance for the people who live in the black lodge, as Laura's murder produces gormonbozia, and also Mike is angry at Bob for stealing his gormonbozia, I would say that this comes from the evil shit that Bob does/the fear that it creates.

Check out the still picture of the "above a convenience store" scene that happens when the midge is sitting across from bob at the formica table.

("I am the arm and I go woo woo woo")

You hear this "woo woo woo" (turn up the volume a little and pay attention) when Mike starts harrassing Leland in his car on the road, and also when it shows the electrical poles at the trailer park (<<<this is, I think, very important).

"Electricity!"

yeah, that woo woo woo bit with Mike in the car was like a major point for me, but really easy to miss. Must admit that I did miss it at the part with the electrical poles at the trailer park!

i've only watched fwwm once, not something I could easily rewatch by myself either because of aforementioned scary-as-fuckness.

xpost. it totally clarifies things, I had no idea that the Little Man was Mike ("I am the arm and I go woo woo woo"), or that the giant was also evil (he is also in on the gormonbozia eating).

This is wrong, the Giant isn't even in FWWM.

Yeah, it is a little rough, though the Little Man is the arm.

Yeah, it is a little rough, though the Little Man is the arm.

Yeah, it is a little rough, though the Little Man is the arm.

oooooooooooooohkay! Did not intend to post that thrice.

giant guy is evil?

Nope!

oh yeah, giant guy isn't in the film. but i mean that the film seems to indicate that all the inhabitants of the Red Room are evil (apart from Cooper and Laura Palmer).

Well, I'm not so sure about Mike. He wants the garmonbozia from Bob at the very end, but on the other hand he clearly is trying to warn Laura and stop Bob.

i am still trying not to read this thread

the downhill trend/Scott problem is coming back to me. Caleb is responsible in part for my favorite movie, so I remember hoping he wasn't too much to blame. i vaguely recall leo's return and am vaguely dreading it, tho anything to get bobby to shut up if that's a side effect.

i think the most unforgivable part of the second season is Windom using Leo as his slave, when he doesn't actually get him to do anything but sharpen sticks or whatever, just so there's an excuse for Windom to give long expository monologues.

but on the other hand he clearly is trying to warn Laura and stop Bob.

― O Bama, Up Yours! (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:25 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

...but only because Bob cheated him and the arm out of their share of Garmonbozia. FWIW, I don't see the inhabitants of the Red Room or Lodge (or convenience store apartment) as evil forces or good forces; they're all a mixed bag and changeable.

No the worst thing about season 2 is the whole thing with James and the married couple that takes place outside of Twin Peaks and in no way ties in with the rest of the story.

^truth. the worst thing in tp history

yes I agree actually. Though obviously as above would suggest I'm on shakey ground with Twin Peaks. But really. It is soap opera, we know that, but don't move it out of Twin Peaks and then add nothing to it with petty soap opera bullshit. Also James can't act, I wish he got put down for putting the code red on Santiago.

xp Possibly the worst thing in television history.

HOw;s AN=nie?

A recurring problem with season 2 is that instead of playing with soap opera conventions, they'll just have a really bad soap opera plot.

I thought the James/femme fatale bits would have been improved if, in that town, a surreal, twin peaks-esque soap was popular on TV.

a right-stuff-astronaut-march shot and tilted cameras to open ep 16 - this just gets worse, doesn't it?

that billy zane shit i remember making me zzzzzzzzzzzz

billy zzzzzzane more like it amirite

Ok - should I see FWIW before reading this thread?? I just re-watched both seasons.

lol not FWIW - FWWM, obv.

right-stuff-astronaut-march shot and tilted cameras to open ep 16 - this just gets worse, doesn't it?

― a mountain climber who plays an electric guitar (gabbneb), Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:34 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is corny but i love it anyways

http://images.nicekicks.com/images/twin-peaks-dunk-3.jpg

http://www.nicekicks.com/nike-sb-dunk-high-premium-twin-peaks/

OK, so this is my new favorite thing: Agt. Cooper's dream sequence from the first season auf Deutsch! Interestingly enough, while the backmasked Black Lodge dialog is a German dub, the subtitles are in English. Really, that just seems to defeat the whole purpose of the effort, but who am I to argue with this treasure.

Oh God this is great. It's just that much creepier.

Also, I kind of love this tattoo.

http://www.bmeink.com/A80812/high/nppq-damn-fine.jpg

oops

http://www.bmeink.com/A80812/high/nppq-damn-fine.jpg

If I were going to get a TP-themed tattoo, I think I'd go with Sherilyn Fenn's butt, with a butt-shaped tattoo on it, and I'd get it right on my butt.

in college i met this guy who had the map to the black lodge elaborately tattooed on his neck. i wonder what ever happened to that guy?