Lindstrom & Prins Thomas are the shit

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i probably should come get that. can't you save it for me?

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 27 February 2006 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

consider it done, susan. held at the front registers under your name.

something less threatening (heywood), Monday, 27 February 2006 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

thx! i was half joking. but i'll pick it up tonite!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 27 February 2006 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

amoeba - biggest lindstrom section on the planet?

stirmonster (stirmonster), Monday, 27 February 2006 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link

california hippies love space-disco

geeta (geeta), Monday, 27 February 2006 03:25 (eighteen years ago) link

jd: easily. :D

something less threatening (heywood), Monday, 27 February 2006 03:53 (eighteen years ago) link

This stuff is all very nice and pretty, but like say all those pastiche 60s garage bands, isn't this just a revival of a revival of a revival.... I mean not only is this cosmic sound just a rework of 70s disco, I don't how many time similar sounds have been reworked by house already over the years.. for example black science orchestra, nuphonic, faze action, idjut boys. And that stuff wasn't exactly an astonishing new vanguard at the time. Is this all dance music has left to offer - endless retro recombiantions, or is it just that it's all music for nostalgic people who aren't old enough to remember the 90s but don't really expect anything new? Or trainspotters who only get excited about music that refers to other music so they can play name the tribute?

shiny star, Monday, 27 February 2006 04:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"Is this all dance music has left to offer"

iElectro-house bobbins 2006
iMinimal house bobbins 2006
iricardo villalobos

for starters

lf (lfam), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

there's more to criticism than pointing out the faults of other critics

lf (lfam), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:38 (eighteen years ago) link

But isn't electro house just fusing elements of electropop, italo disco, ebm, rock , rave, electro-clash (itself a rehash) etc with a house beat? And, especially in that rocky house meets 80s electropop vein, hasn't it already become overground, commercial and boring? The new villalobos stuff is great stuff, but it's not dance music.

shiny stat, Monday, 27 February 2006 06:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i believe this vein of music (disco tradition) taps into apollonian impulses in equal measure as into dionysian impulses - disco isn't about tearing it down ("tear down da whole place" - dillinja), it's about building it up (raise the roof, balloons and streamers and hands in the air at the loft, the gallery and the paradise garage, etc)

we are talking about simplifying outlines, building new forms out of old that are ever more pared-down, stripped back, and functional, opening up vast spaces (remember, in ancient art emptiness and blankness - the bottomless bass chasms between bongos and handclaps in dub-disco, the vacuous krautrock grooves of lindstrom + gang - signified the presence of the divine and the sublime) while retaining constructions that are upright and supportive. like a vase, or a column.

discus

vahid (vahid), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:38 (eighteen years ago) link

electrohouse is different - it's essentially pop. you clearly don't "get" pop, since you fall back on tired "overground, commercial" = "boring" constructions. at it's best, electropop and rave were overground + commercial - and all the more exciting for it.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i love shiny stat's fake email address though - 'disillusioned @ rave dot net"!

geeta (geeta), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes vahid you are right about the disco tradition, but as futurism and innovation (though not experimentation for its own sake) is what I demand, the disco tradition is just as likely to stick to tradition (boring return to live instruments or old 90s sounds etc) as to throw down something new and exciting like say the best of Relief records. I don't think music has to be stripped back or minimal to be new. And I don't really get what's actually new about exciting about this cosmic disco revival. It doesn't sound much different to say El Chocolates records from about ten years ago.

Re the pop thing, I'd probably rather listen to the neptunes or sugababes or hard-fi, or something that's unashamedly pop 40 than some sub-recreation of 80s pop by Richard X or whatever. In the case of the neptunes it's probably more new sounding than an lot of dance music these days.Electro seemed a breath of fresh air after domination by funky house, but now it's just another boring mainstream sound.

shiny star, Monday, 27 February 2006 07:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd probably rather listen to the neptunes or sugababes or hard-fi, or something that's unashamedly pop 40 than some sub-recreation of 80s pop by Richard X

this makes no sense. richard x produced a lot of the sugababes' stuff, incl. their biggest pop hits!

geeta (geeta), Monday, 27 February 2006 07:14 (eighteen years ago) link

ok i'm back from kinko's

as far as neptunes/sugababes go, maybe you do "get" pop. i'm not sure anybody (even ivan smagghe) would argue that what they're doing is as "new" or "exciting" as the human league - if you had lived through it. don't get caught in the trap a historicism. it'd have been just as easy for frank zappa to lampoon the ramones or new york dolls or whatever in the 1970s by recording "ruben + the jets" ("redundant piano triplets"!!!) (he lived through it, too, after all, cruising el cajon in a bread truck blasting bubblegum) and it would be just as wrong.

as far as stripping back / minimalism / tradition go ... not sure how you are going to defend relief here ... whatever cajmere wants to say about it (mr "i've heard a million acid tracks and frankly it's boring now") i'm not sure how you could characterize relief outside of sticking to tradition, functionalised

vahid (vahid), Monday, 27 February 2006 07:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i think L&PT are tying up loose ends from way back when and really are working in the past and maybe just using the unbias from the present. you could have imagined this going down in the 70's/80's - which i think is why its so immediate for alot of us...but it never did happen b/c even though disco and rock melded there were certain places where it did not intersect. i might get bored soon, but its nice to see this finally realized. and i don't think they are completely happy just making those connections, but also kinda try to build from that as if they have rewritten history...the further they go the more wobbly it gets, but some of it sounds like innovation to me. but just in why they go to the past ... it seems different that other dance artists using old stuff (re: those trends, i half agree with you/half with Vahid and really haven't heard enought stuff to know for sure how i feel....most of it seems boring though).

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 27 February 2006 07:45 (eighteen years ago) link

You may like it or dislike it but I think the er hyper-maximalism of a lot of current "minimal" is not really retro, a lot of these records don't sound like they could come from any time except the last two or three years. Meanwhile the hyper-commercial electro-house at the moment isn't particularly "retro", or at least that's not what people are getting out of it... it's all about rock-riffs and eurobeat style rapping, not sure it's reviving anything except (inadvertantly) "Another One Bites the Dust" and The Real McCoy's "Another Night".

As far as L&PT go: how many people on dancefloors have actually heard (heard of, even) the "space disco" it rips off? I don't think I have! And as I said upthread I think it's pretty different to Faze Action or Nuphonic, a lot of which I also like.

Also... I love Villalobos but I'm now getting really really sick of him being namechecked as the "token" innovator in current electronic music, he is quickly becoming the German Kanye West or even Outkast in this regard.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 27 February 2006 07:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Also... I love Villalobos but I'm now getting really really sick of him being namechecked as the "token" innovator in current electronic music, he is quickly becoming the German Kanye West or even Outkast in this regard.

-- Tim Finney (tfinne...), Today.

i half agree with you, tim. villalobos may be on his way to token innovator status like kanye & outkast but i don't think that they have ever really taken solid ground and tilted it at a 45 degree angle with their music the way that he has.

lf (lfam), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

read one "hey ya!" thread

vahid (vahid), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

this leads me to a question: not being "old enough to remember the 90s" or even the first part of this decade, just how new is the scene documented on kreucht und fleucht? or does it fall to the sort of criticism levelled at l&pt by shiny star?

also, vahid, i can't find the hey ya! thread. google searches are fruitless and ilm searches don't work on queries with all words under 4 characters.

lf (lfam), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Believe it or not, you guys have convinced me that I'm off the mark(although I am sick of the hyper-commercial electro-house).

I do think the new hyper-maximal minimal stuff is the most interesting stuff around now, but ok I'm being too purist and theoretical about cosmic disco.

shiny star, Monday, 27 February 2006 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been listening to tons of this stuff (Lindstrom and related) lately and love it ... but I do sometimes find myself thinking that it could easily go the way of downtempo or whatever and become safe / boring restaurant background music ....

Renard (Renard), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"electrohouse" is straining under the weight of things that want to be called "electrohouse" by now.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:52 (eighteen years ago) link

""electrohouse" is straining under the weight of things that want to be called "electrohouse" by now."

Ha ha yes this is totally OTM. I don't know if this has ever happened before in quite the same way, maybe not since erm "techno"! Or "hardocre" maybe?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

more live L&PT goodness from Japan:

Live at Mago pt. 2
Live at Mago pt. 3

part one hasn't been posted yet...

something less threatening (heywood), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link

thx. (also, got Mighty-thx!)

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

there's a lindstrom remix of franz ferdinand on the feedelity myspace page:

http://www.myspace.com/feedelity

i'm guessing this is new as the only place i've heard about it was pitchfork a few days ago.

jaime, Saturday, 4 March 2006 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

So I got the re-pressed Feed 000 and Feed 001, and I wanted to ask if you folks agree that the "Music (In My Mind)" original is pressed at 45 and the Prins Thomas remix at 33? At points the remix sounds too slow (cosmic on purpose?) but it certainly sounds too chirpy at 45.

matt2 (matt2), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

the original 12" was pressed at 45, guess it's the same with the repress.
anyways, the remix starts up in the same tempo as the original.
I guess you should have found out by now as Isabelle's vocals would sound like Barry White when played at 33...

major swellings, Monday, 27 March 2006 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Major Swellings. I'm gonna have to try that tonight, but really there can't be a question when it comes from the source. Thanks for posting.

matt2 (matt2), Monday, 27 March 2006 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

btw SF folks - we've had the Magnet Lindstrom remixes for about a week or so now at Amoeba...come buy one!

also Forced Exposure says Eskimo is having a problem stocking the album and that it now should arrive in May.

something less threatening (heywood), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 06:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Lindstrom and Prins Thomas have nothing on trentemoller i think they lick there mum then suck there dads cock

jim morison, Monday, 3 April 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

That's some imagination you've got there, jim.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 April 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

well at least he's alive.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 3 April 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

people need to talk more about "Another Station", the original and Todd Terje's remix. Easily the best 12 on Feedelity apart from "I Feel Space", IMO.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 3 April 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

the terje remix is great! moroder/bruhn style, it could be 1978:)

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree Ronan. I really, really enjoy both the original and the remix. They're right up there with Monsteer (which may be my single favorite Lindstrom track so far), I Feel Space, and Mighty Girl.

matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

the remix completley and utterly pwns the original!! the entire LPT oeuvre even! i guess Another Station is this years Sky Was Pink / Love Dose in that respect

fez, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

when the pianos come in, on the terje remix of another station suddenly reminds me a lot, of the club mix of happy mondays hallelujah. in fact, shades of that whole madchester rave one ep, something kind of slouching 89 groove. yea

charltonlido (gareth), Saturday, 8 April 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

he has a forthcoming 12' coming called 'serious syntoms' which is the rawest thing he's ever done. endlessly repeating, slighty modulating moog bassline, live snare and hi hat and a bit of arp synth. sounds like it was recorded live in one take. mega.

did this ever come out? it sounds amazing!

haitch (haitch), Monday, 10 April 2006 10:45 (eighteen years ago) link

nope, hasn't come out yet. yep, it's awesome!

something less threatening (heywood), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

anyone have the track list for mago, posted in feb? how about part 1 from this set. thanks in advance for any help.

hully, Friday, 21 April 2006 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I just got the "Violent Group" 12" in the mail, and I'm loving the A side it, not so much for the disco version though.

Does anyone know if this is any good : http://www.discogs.com/release/478681

Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, it is. worth the price of admission just for 'flavoursaver'.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Maybe I'm just in a good mood, but the moment when the choirs come in in "Breakfast In Heaven" (does anyone else have this?) is the most sublime thing...

Really, I am longing to hear this out.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 14 May 2006 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the way it toughens up at the end, like it's turning into Richard X's Rock Jacket or something.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 14 May 2006 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

breakfast in heaven = treat on repeat.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 18 May 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

The fuzz electric guitar at the end of "Mighty Girl" is great. It's so live, it's like if Tortured Soul were actually, you know, inventive and had a techno edge to them.

Anyway that's my favorite so far.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 18 May 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Am finding it hard to listen to "Breakfast in Heaven" due to my brane making an irritating connection with Andrew Lloyd Webber's music for "Cats" arrgh

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 18 May 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link


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