Homicide: Life on the Street: classic or the best show ever created?

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Did you see the DVD Season Three "featurette" where the writers were talking about how Polito was sort of being wishy-washy about whether or not he was coming back to the show, and they finally got fed up and they were like, "Fuck you, then. You're dead."
That was pretty funny.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I did see that.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

We need some kind of Bunk/Meldrick team-up show.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I skipped to the bottom of this thread to let you know that I am watching them all in order, am currently at the end of Season Five, and can't read this thread until I have watched them all. That is all.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

It's worth watching through Season 6 and as Huk pointed out seasons 6 and 7 have some worthwhile Meldrick stuff but little else.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

the final seasons are really not as bad as everyone says. they are comparatively worse than the rest of the show, but they're worth watching. Subway is in season 6 I think and it's still easily one of the best three episodes of the series

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
i am only two discs into season one and think it's classic/best show ever created. better than the wire by far. i'll have to check the book out.

ghetty green (eman), Friday, 5 August 2005 04:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, we finished watching it. Took almost exactly three months. Now I get to go back and read this thread.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

So, um, scanning the beginning of this thread, it sounds like there's a seventh season? Which apparently NetFlix doesn't carry? Because I don't know anything about an "internet killer" or anything.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Weird. Anyways:

* I agree that Falsone and Ballard kinda suck, but Kellerman becomes quite possibly the most irritating character in TV history by season six. I kept hoping he would get killed off. I like Gharty though, he's great!
* Andre Braugher rules so hard.
* I have figured out where the show goes wrong near the end: Originally, the show was basically about the relationships between the partners: Bayliss and Pembleton, Munch and Bolander, Felton and Howard, then Lewis and Kellerman. They completely abandon this near the end, focusing more on these crazy unlikely crimes (whereas the crimes at the beginning were pretty uninteresting for the most part). In season six, the partnerships are a lot more ambiguous, with everyone pretty much just working with whoever's around.
* You know what's fun? Talking like Kaye Howard and ending every sentence with "eh?" We're gonna go to the store, eh? You better watch what you're doing, eh?
* My favorite episode that hasn't been mentioned yet is the one where Lewis and Kellerman are investigating the murder out at the hotel at the city limits, where all the degenerates and illegal immigrants are staying. That one's great.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I might just hang out in this thread all day. Where's adam? Huk-L?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i suppose i should start watching this now

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 12 August 2005 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Apparently Max Perlich appeared on an episode of Nash Bridges - AKA Homicide ratings enemy no. 1! Sellout! Also he was in Ferris Bueller's Day Off as "Anderson." Anyone have any idea who this is?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

If you're gonna hang here, you're gonna have to explain to me why Gharty was great.

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

you should jess! but watch the wire first. (congrats, btw. you totally deserve that gig)

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

My favorite episode that hasn't been mentioned yet is the one where Lewis and Kellerman are investigating the murder out at the hotel at the city limits, where all the degenerates and illegal immigrants are staying. That one's great.

Is that the one with Rev. Horton Heat in it?
I've only seen that one once.
I think Season Six only just came out recently, so Season Seven should come out sometime. Did you see the finale movie?

I think "Anderson" was probably one of the freshman kids who idolized Ferris.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't have enough time to watch season 4-7 before I leave the country! (Back in the UK, we don't do DVDs.) Should I skip straight to the finale movie, or will this cause internal haemmoraghing?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, the movie kind of brings everything to a close, and, um, you probably don't want to watch the movie until you've seen Season 7, since, there's big time Bayliss spoilers in there (he grows a beard).

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked Gharty because:
* Allowed writers to address religion again (as they did with Pembleton), which I always find fascinating.
* The tenderness and protectiveness of Gharty for Ballard contributed some of the only partner dynamics in the late seasons.
* Although the character is Bolander-redux in many ways, I think Peter Gerety is a good actor and is worth watching.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

He ended up in the Wire right, as one of the useless veterans that gets assigned to the detail?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I can see the tenderness and protectiveness, except he's a bit of a bullshitter. I mean, his attitude and justification for not answering a call as a patrolman just made me hate him from the get-go. He proceeded to act like big man on campus (especially around Munch), but he has no honour or credibility as a policeman.

I like how in the movie, as the new shift commander, he tries to stand up to Pembleton and Bayliss, but they just calmly blow him off as the joke he really is.

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, yeah, he's not exactly a likeable character, but I think he's a good character. He's kind of like Felton in that he's just an average cop: not really that smart, doesn't really solve crimes through ingenuity but more just through persistence or luck. You can't just have 8 Pembletons.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

That's why I love Lewis. He's a "shuffler."

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

have you read the book nick? i read the book before rewatching homicide again (which i'm still in the midst of), and it was so fascinating to watch in light of how much of it actually happened to david simon. the first three seasons especially.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Lewis is probably my second-fave character after predictable choice of Frank Pembleton for #1.

I have not read the book, I'll try and find it.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

He was the Judge in the Wire, right? He had one of the Wire's pivotal "I'll help you now, but I'll accidentally fuck everything up later" roles (see also the lawyer, the FBI guy, the shift commander, etc.)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The book is intensely good, but it took me about 2 years to read.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, his attitude and justification for not answering a call as a patrolman just made me hate him from the get-go.

They explain this away by having someone (Kellerman?) confront him about it once he becomes a Homicide detective and he says that later (after the patrolman call episode) he got beat up in the process of chasing somebody and it forced him to confront his fears and realize that the fear of injury was worse than the actual injury. It's kind of a b.s. brushoff explanation, but it is an attempt at an explanation.

xpost, oh yeah, he was McNulty's judge pal.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked both Gharty and Ballard. Really the only character that really failed for me was Michael Michelle's cop, who was so bad I can't remember her name or anything she did.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I think maybe I like The Wire more, but they are pretty different shows.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

She nearly got Lewis killed, that's what she did!
It was like, soul-crushing to see someone pretty on the show (though, I'd totally go 8 rounds with M. Leo--or her twin!)

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Is that Stivers you're talking about? I'm so confused. Stivers was tolerable but boring and useless, other than to harp at Lewis and Kellerman about the Mahoney shooting.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Stivers had some good moments, but was underused, and became just a lame Mahoney harper.
Michael Michelle was the tall, HOT, lady. Maybe she was only in S7.
Have you met Michael Giardello yet?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

???

These must be season seven characters. Should I even bother with season seven? I'm kind of curious given all the hints about stuff that happens to Bayliss.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, bother with it. But be warned! o
Overall, it's disappointing, because it falls short of the previous seasons' high standards, and, y'know, no Braugher.
But Mike Giardello is an interesting character, or rather, GIANCARLO ESPOSITO is a fun actor to watch (and has the best hair anybody on Homicide ever had). And obviously, the Tim Bayliss character gets a website, and who doesn't like TV shows about the internet?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

So I'm assuming this Mike Giardello character is related to G?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

it's his son. I thought he appeared earlier in season six? he works/worked for the FBI or something.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

MAJOR SPOILERS ALLERT!

I loved watching all the Homicides. I'm shocked there's a 7th season? I thought the finale, which I thought was the last episode of season 6, had a really strange ending. So I guess Bayliss lives then? Does he have any trouble recovering like Pembleton did with his stroke?

Though, you know, I thought I remembered someone saying Bayliss was the only character in ALL of the seasons, so I thought it was weird that pembleton was still around in 6. But now I know there's a 7th and that pembleton leaves...

One thing I didn't like about the show was how many of the main characters were killed off. I think they could have come up with better explanations for taking the characters off the show. On the other hand, some of the explanations they did come up with (like for the female ex-shift commander who ends up in France) seemed totally thrown together. They'd mention it for like one second and then act like that person never existed after that (except for her character, actually, since she did come back when Beau got shot).

Remind me how all their stories end, because I can't remember (ie: where the characters supposedly end up).

The movie sounds so AWFUL based purely on the plot summary amy gave way upthread. Enough with the crew getting shot already!

Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

the movie is not that bad.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I still can't remember what happened to Kaye Howard? Did she just get rotated out to another department and never come back?

Also, what was up with Russert being related to Tim Russert? Did some crew member just have a Tim Russert connection they wanted to exploit?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

it was just a joke because of the name, yeah.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think the show ever really gets BAD, at least not in the seasons we've watched. It gets less unique, more like a "cop show," and adds some irritating characters, but it stays consistently watchable. The only really bad episode I can remember was near the end of season six, the one with the couple who murders women they meet in nightclubs, where the husband stuns them with a stun gun and then the wife strangles them with panty hose. That was like some Murder, She Wrote shit.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha.
Yeah, I think Kay just moved on, with no ceremony, to Narcotics or Fugitive or something.
Meldrick Lewis and Gee are in all seasons as well.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

For SARAH who want TEH SPOILERS:

Pembleton: Ends up teaching.
Bayliss: WATCH THE FINAL SEASON AND THEN THE MOVIE
Lewis: No diff.
Howard: Transfers out.
Kellerman: Eats a lot of food.
Gee: WATCH THE MOVIE
Russert: Goes to France, comes back a lot.
Munch: Fucks off to New York to hang with Ice T, leaves Lewis holding the bag, Waterfront-wise.
Bolander: Never visits.
Latter-days cast: NOT MUCH.
Mike Giardello: Beats people up while Kellerman eats food.
Felton & Crosetti: WATCH THE MOVIE!
Scheiner: Falls asleep at parties.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Apparently Max Perlich appeared on an episode of Nash Bridges - AKA Homicide ratings enemy no. 1! Sellout! Also he was in Ferris Bueller's Day Off as "Anderson." Anyone have any idea who this is?

I remember reading in Homicide: Life on the Streets. The Official Companion that he also got arrested in between seasons for brandishing a gun in public.

He also appeared in Beautiful Girls if I remember correctly.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Friday, 12 August 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG SCHEINER RULES.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

RIP, Scheiner (4 yrs ago)
http://imdb.com/name/nm0845863/

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy crap. Jake Gyllenhaal was the kid in the Robin Williams episode!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw Zeljko Ivanek on W.12th street a couple of years ago. When I pointed him out to a friend, he spotted me and started running away as though this were something that happens often.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Friday, 12 August 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Wasn't he on OZ as well?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link


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